Premises, premises, always premises.

[HB1965]

Ishmael I think you all ready know that I think you're a fuckwad, but tell me what planet you are living on? The stuff in the Cafe is playing around and has nothing to do with a real Dom/sub relationship which should be obvious to anyone reading it.


Or are you once again trying to be a fucking smartass

And no I won't take my strap on off.

 

[FungiUg]

The world isn't black and white.

I personally believe that a submissive has to be able to say "no" when necessary. Otherwise would be dangerous and unhealthy.

You can't just have a rule that says "I am the dominant, therefore you will say yes to everything I say". That's way too simplistic and implies that the dominant always knows best. Dominants are only human after all.

So what if a submissive says "no"? What happens from there depends on the context.

I also know that some dominants like bratty or sulky submissives. They like the challenge of getting what they want even when the submissive is saying "no". If it works for them, all the more power to them.

 

[EmpressFi]

Ishmael I think you all ready know that I think you're a fuckwad, but tell me what planet you are living on? The stuff in the Cafe is playing around and has nothing to do with a real Dom/sub relationship which should be obvious to anyone reading it.


Or are you once again trying to be a fucking smartass

And no I won't take my strap on off.

That's what I was actually trying to say. Well moreso I was going to apologize if I were X, Y, or Z, because I know I'm rather flirty and mouthy in the Cafe section.. but that's what that is.. it's me being playful. However, when not goofing off, I give everyone the respect they deserve and I certainly would treat my Master with more respect and less mouthing off.

 

[FurryFury]

So a sub hooks up with someone. Dom or not, and is told to do something by that person and the first word is, "No."

I'm not speaking of anything sexual, or dangerous. A small task of little consequence.

What can one take away from that behavior?

Ishmael

That depends.

 

[Ishmael]

Far too many subs out there testing the limits of a so called dom...no one specific in mind. I will admit to quite a bit of topping from the bottom her...there and everywhere...but what's a girl to do so many wannabes about.

Just saying

A sub can read can't they?

I do quite understand your post. And I agree to an extent. But you're only pissing off the very people you're seeking. I would remind you that all actions have unintended consequences.

Any true Dom(es) reading through those threads would make a check list and go, "No, no, nope not that one. etc."

In effect you end up baiting the very people you're trying to winnow from the chaff.

Ishmael

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[FungiUg]

[...]Any true Dom(es)[...]

Proudly pins his cardboard-and-plastic "fake Dom" badge to his chest.

I think the point is to find someone compatible. So what if she is "winnowing" the "true Dom(es)"? Isn't that the point? To eliminate the ones that aren't compatible and leave the ones that are?

I think the ideal is for people to be who they are, not pretend to be someone they are not. If you don't like them, then great... they're not for you. No biggie.

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael I think you all ready know that I think you're a fuckwad, but tell me what planet you are living on? The stuff in the Cafe is playing around and has nothing to do with a real Dom/sub relationship which should be obvious to anyone reading it.


Or are you once again trying to be a fucking smartass

And no I won't take my strap on off.

Of course. It's all just make believe.

I suppose it's good that you have passion towards me. I, on the other hand, don't know who you are, or care. Just another poser as far as I'm concerned.

I'm happy that you have a strap-on. Although I would reccomend that you take it off when you go to bed. I can only imagine the discomfort you might have to contend with.

Oh goodness, now I've done it again. Started a pissing contest with a no one.

Ishmael

 

[northwoods_sub]

I, like Cutiemouse, am paranoid about what I post. I have played a few games on the cafe board, and have maybe even overstepped my bounds as a submissive speaking to a Dom(mes). I always regret it or edit it. Speaking like that is just not me when I don't know people very well.

Now that does not mean that I don't think that other people who identify as submissive shouldn't be smartasses with others that they are talking to here. If that is who they are in real life (smartassed, back sassing) then that is who they should be on the boards.

 

[Ishmael]

The world isn't black and white.

I personally believe that a submissive has to be able to say "no" when necessary. Otherwise would be dangerous and unhealthy.

You can't just have a rule that says "I am the dominant, therefore you will say yes to everything I say". That's way too simplistic and implies that the dominant always knows best. Dominants are only human after all.

So what if a submissive says "no"? What happens from there depends on the context.

I also know that some dominants like bratty or sulky submissives. They like the challenge of getting what they want even when the submissive is saying "no". If it works for them, all the more power to them.

You're entitled to think what you want. Just as we're entitiled to read your posts and pass judgement. I laid out the premise, "Walk the dog" requires a contract and safety word?

It is black and white and no one is expecting the abandonment of reason.

Ishmael

 

[HB1965]

Seriously?

You're talking about surface elements here.

First of all I'm not here looking for a Dom. I'm here to enjoy myself and have a good time.

Secondly, when a Dom seeks a submissive they all have different requirements. Just like when vanilla men seek out partners. Also how they act in public isn't necessarily an indicator of whether or not they would be a good submissive. People are multi-layered. It takes time to get to know people for these types of relationships just as it does in the 'nilla world.

A sub can read can't they?

I do quite understand your post. And I agree to an extent. But you're only pissing off the very people you're seeking. I would remind you that all actions have unintended consequences.

Any true Dom(es) reading through those threads would make a check list and go, "No, no, nope not that one. etc."

In effect you end up baiting the very people you're trying to winnow from the chaff.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

I, like Cutiemouse, am paranoid about what I post. I have played a few games on the cafe board, and have maybe even overstepped my bounds as a submissive speaking to a Dom(mes). I always regret it or edit it. Speaking like that is just not me when I don't know people very well.

Now that does not mean that I don't think that other people who identify as submissive shouldn't be smartasses with others that they are talking to here. If that is who they are in real life (smartassed, back sassing) then that is who they should be on the boards.

Fair enough. Would you classify them as subs?

Ishmael

 

[callinectes]

I admit I am tired and my head hurts but I do not understand what in the hell this thread is about. Is the OP saying subs on this board are obligated to obey the dominants on this board? Please tell me that is not what Ishamel is talking about.

 

[HB1965]

Of course. It's all just make believe.

I suppose it's good that you have passion towards me. I, on the other hand, don't know who you are, or care. Just another poser as far as I'm concerned.

I'm happy that you have a strap-on. Although I would reccomend that you take it off when you go to bed. I can only imagine the discomfort you might have to contend with.

Oh goodness, now I've done it again. Started a pissing contest with a no one.

Ishmael

Yes you did. You also can't even remember the people that you have pissing contests with because there are so many. I'm only repeating the insult that you gave to me in the GB because you didn't like a comment that I made in response to your judgemental and crude post about people posting in the AM Forum.

 

[Ishmael]

Seriously?

You're talking about surface elements here.

First of all I'm not here looking for a Dom. I'm here to enjoy myself and have a good time.

Secondly, when a Dom seeks a submissive they all have different requirements. Just like when vanilla men seek out partners. Also how they act in public isn't necessarily an indicator of whether or not they would be a good submissive. People are multi-layered. It takes time to get to know people for these types of relationships just as it does in the 'nilla world.

'Top posting?' *chuckle*

OK, you aren't looking for a Dom. Are you looking for a submissive?

Ishmael

 

[FungiUg]

I admit I am tired and my head hurts but I do not understand what in the hell this thread is about. Is the OP saying subs on this board are obligated to obey the dominants on this board? Please tell me that is not what Ishamel is talking about.

I demand that you ignore my demands, including this one!

Hopefully that cleared it up for you.

 

[HottieMama]

i am of two minds on this issue.

i am careful what i post because i believe that what i post is a reflection not only of myself but of LC as well, and i certainly do not wish to embarrass him in any way.

However, i believe that we are all equals here on this board when we are posting in public. i give respect to someone based on how they treat me, not just because they call themselves a "Dom." i am owned, i submit to no one else. If we are all joking around, i assume that we are all adults and know joking fun from being serious. Furthermore, if someone is rude to me, it doesn't matter who/what they are, i don't have to just sit here and take it. (i have stopped answering back though...refer to my first point.) i have found ignoring those types of people works really well. (No, i am not referring to anyone from this forum, either.)

 

[Ishmael]

Yes you did. You also can't even remember the people that you have pissing contests with because there are so many. I'm only repeating the insult that you gave to me in the GB because you didn't like a comment that I made in response to your judgemental and crude post about people posting in the AM Forum.

I apologize for not even remembering any insult I offered to you. I can assure you that you deserved it. But it just wasn't insult enough to register long term. You're nobody.

Ishmael

 

[callinectes]

I demand that you ignore my demands, including this one!

Hopefully that cleared it up for you.

Umm, yeah, that was real...helpful! LOL

 

[northwoods_sub]

Fair enough. Would you classify them as subs?

Ishmael

I would. Some submissives are looking, some desperately, for someone to take that control away from them. So they will be mouthy and what not just trying to find someone who is willing to take them on. Who knows, maybe in their own personal D/s relationships they are as complacent and obediant as anyone could ask for.

The reason I know this is because without a Dom that is how I have acted in the past. I wanted to find someone who had the balls to take me on and bring me down to the level I belong. and if he wasn't willing to knock me down a few levels, he wasn't worth my time.

It is a way of sizing up the abilities of the Dom. A better question to ask is that if the Dom(mes) are willing to put up with that kind of behaviour and bend to it are they really as Dominant as they say they are?

 

[HB1965]

'Top posting?' *chuckle*

OK, you aren't looking for a Dom. Are you looking for a submissive?

Ishmael

No I'm not looking for that either. I'm looking for like minded people who understand what I want and what I feel.

 

[FungiUg]

i believe that we are all equals here on this board when we are posting in public.

Absolutely. We are all somebody: equality, fraternity, etc. Several well-known countries were founded on those precepts.

Your opinions and thoughts are just as valuable and valid (or invaluable and invalid, now isn't that confusing?) as any other person posting to the board.

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

I know that part of what this board stands for is that very concept.

 

[HB1965]

I apologize for not even remembering any insult I offered to you. I can assure you that you deserved it. But it just wasn't insult enough to register long term. You're nobody.

Ishmael

Yes I deserved an insult for calling you out for being a narrow minded asshole, and you're entitled to think what you like about me or not think about me at all in your deluded little fantasy world.

 

[Ishmael]

i am of two minds on this issue.

i am careful what i post because i believe that what i post is a reflection not only of myself but of LC as well, and i certainly do not wish to embarrass him in any way.

However, i believe that we are all equals here on this board when we are posting in public. i give respect to someone based on how they treat me, not just because they call themselves a "Dom." i am owned, i submit to no one else. If we are all joking around, i assume that we are all adults and know joking fun from being serious. Furthermore, if someone is rude to me, it doesn't matter who/what they are, i don't have to just sit here and take it. (i have stopped answering back though...refer to my first point.) i have found ignoring those types of people works really well. (No, i am not referring to anyone from this forum, either.)

Couldn't agree more.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Yes I deserved an insult for calling you out for being a narrow minded asshole, and you're entitled to think what you like about me or not think about me at all in your deluded little fantasy world.

Fine. Have you purged your soul now? Enough so that you can stop 'having fun' in a place you so obviously don't belong?

Or is being a poser still amusing you enough that you'll remain?

After all, "just having fun" were you're words, not mine.

Ishmael