PSA from the moderator

[bouncingbetty]

But are those websites based in the US as Lit is?

Many are. It is very easy to check the hosting location of most public sites. And U.S. laws they are quoting pertains to sites without membership / logon access.

 

[MsTexas]

meh. whatever.

I'm a little disappointed, expected more from you.

 

[EndCredits]

this isn't meant to be racist... but sometimes i just can't believe how such a leading culture as the us can be such prudish and over-regimented...

It isn't racist anyway. Culturalist, I guess, if that's even a word.

 

[Vandren]

Guess I just got caught up in how much I hate censorship and restricted freedoms in any form....a legacy I guess from my mom who barely escaped Nazi Germany with her life...and who was very active in civil rights marches in the 1960s.

Which means you, of all people, ought to know better than to compare anyone involved with the Lit administration to Hitler. So far as I know, no one running this site (not even the mods) are opening up genocidal concentration camps or housing POWs on military stockpiles in violation of international law. Or invading their neighbors for that matter.

Sadly far too many Americans (native or naturalized) are too quick to associate anyone they don't like this week to Hitler, even if the two aren't anywhere near the same ballpark.


Side Note: If you're only interested in A-V materials (possibly because reading's too hard or imaginations are stunted, or something), move over to the Call - Kelly forums where there are virtually no restrictions.

 

[mistertripps]

Perhaps the site owners should show some courage and challenge the laws they think they have to follow. There are thousands of sites, hosted in the US, that show much more nudity and graphic sexual acts than ever get posted on our silly little AmPics board. These moral busybodies who think this country was founded on christian beliefs need to go back and study history a bit more carefully. The Puritans are simply the sexy story that government education likes to push on us. Most of the early settlers came over to get away from tyranny and to have the freedom to do what they wanted, when they wanted. Maybe it is time to move on from Literotica and form a new board where we can do what we want and stand up for our rights.

As for ShyGuy - this is not directed at you. I understand you are doing what you are told to do. If you refused, they would simply remove you and find someone who would do it in your place. I happen to think you do a fine job as moderator.

 

[coastal-boy]

I got a better idea...time to move on.

 

[lordonlyknows]

I'm a little disappointed, expected more from you.

Not a big deal.

In fact, most pictures in the AmPics section involving intercourse, or extreme close ups of *certain* areas are more of a gross out than anything else.

*Or rather, there's more pic threads that I wouldn't mind seeing banned than there are pic threads I'll mourn.

And really, when was the last time we got much more than soft-core shots from the rare occurance of a pic-posting-beauties passing through?

After all, this isn't the only website that offers the ever-elusive notion of "real naked girls."

*Note that no names (or screen names for that matter) were mentioned.

 

[labialovingdick]

Perhaps the site owners should show some courage and challenge the laws they think they have to follow. There are thousands of sites, hosted in the US, that show much more nudity and graphic sexual acts than ever get posted on our silly little AmPics board. These moral busybodies who think this country was founded on christian beliefs need to go back and study history a bit more carefully. The Puritans are simply the sexy story that government education likes to push on us. Most of the early settlers came over to get away from tyranny and to have the freedom to do what they wanted, when they wanted. Maybe it is time to move on from Literotica and form a new board where we can do what we want and stand up for our rights.

As for ShyGuy - this is not directed at you. I understand you are doing what you are told to do. If you refused, they would simply remove you and find someone who would do it in your place. I happen to think you do a fine job as moderator.

i must say that i already had quite similar ideas. but what are the existing alternatives?

 

[Crazy_Jezabel]

Who do I PM to get my picture thread removed?

The only other thing I have to say that hasn't been metioned is that I agree that more people need to vote in the USA. Did you know that more people voted in Iraq, Iran, and other Africian Muslium countries than in the USA? I use my right to vote and considering the rest of the world is effected by the USA it's why I chose to still remain a citizen of the USA. It's the only reason I chose to remain a citizen of the USA.

I also know that both ShyGuy and the owner of the board is just following the rules. The owner of the board probably could get arressed for violating the rules. Not everyone is willing to go to jail and ruin their lives in hoping to change history like Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela did.

I enjoy coming here so I don't want to take a chance of getting my membership revoke, so there for I'm choosing to just remove my picture thread and starting a different one that follows the rules. It's less complicated than going through the picture thread and trying to figure out which ones I have to remove.

Now does these same rules apply for PM's too?

And as far as starting your own board. You'll have to find a board that follows European or African guidlines, because the USA is just as fucked up as Middle Eastern countries with the morons that are in office right now.

I am so happy I chose to move to Holland rather than my husband moving ot the USA. I don't think he would have survived living in the USA.

 

[RawHumor]

Did you know that more people voted in Iraq, Iran, and other Africian Muslium countries than in the USA?

Ummmm... no, at least not if you're talking about the Presidential election.

The population of Iraq is roughly 27 million. https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/iz.html

Over 120 million people voted in the 2004 Presidential election.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

Now if you're talking about percentages of the populous, then you may have a point.

As for all of these other sites that show sexual content - there's a reason for it.

All of the Licensors that provide content licensed to I Media represent that all models appearing in their productions are over 18 and that the Licensor maintains all appropriate 2257 disclaimers or the equivalent.

The site is responsible for ensuring that everyone who posts sexual content is 18 or over. Laurel and Manu can't be asked to take on such a responsibility.

Therefore, it's either compromise or risk having the site shut down. I'd rather have some Lit than no Lit.

 

[blackieone]

sorry,but i HAD to ask a few questions:

a) that law is retroactive?If so,ok,- that should be specified,especially to foreign members of Lit, if not,what happens to the pics posted BEFORE the new rules?

b)a, pics altered to the point of just giving a hint-being with filters or rendered similar to paintings-i.e. no details- are to be considered against the rules?

c)Explicit display of the genital area means erect cock pics? So,general nudes or ass pics shouldn't be considered against the rules?

I'm not nitpicking,i'm ready to delete all the pics,but i do think that the clearer the rules,the better for all the people involved in Lit.

Thanks Shyguy for being so cooperative

 

[Crazy_Jezabel]

Ummmm... no, at least not if you're talking about the Presidential election.

The population of Iraq is roughly 27 million. https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/iz.html

Over 120 million people voted in the 2004 Presidential election.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

Now if you're talking about percentages of the populous, then you may have a point.

.

Yes, I was refering to percentages. I read it in a news article.

I'm sorry I didn't mention the percentage part. I just assumed everyone would know what I meant considering there's a higher population in the USA.

And consdering the USA has a higher population you would think the USA would have a higher percentage of votes considering we are more free than the middle eastern countries. Not much more free, but still a little bit more free than the middle eastern countries.

 

[umchick5]

a) that law is retroactive?If so,ok,- that should be specified,especially to foreign members of Lit, if not,what happens to the pics posted BEFORE the new rules?

I cannot answer the other questions, but I do know that the law has been around for quite some time now. Those have been the rules since I started posting here, so it's been at least 2 years.

 

[blackieone]

I cannot answer the other questions, but I do know that the law has been around for quite some time now. Those have been the rules since I started posting here, so it's been at least 2 years.

right-all the pics i've posted after the new rules comply.........the ones that didn't were posted BEFORE that........

 

[umchick5]

right-all the pics i've posted after the new rules comply.........the ones that didn't were posted BEFORE that........

Hmm, I doubt it is retroactive, but I couldn't say for certain. Sorry I couldn't help you. Some people were thinking that the rule was new, as in very recently put into place.

 

[kittykateater]

Which means you, of all people, ought to know better than to compare anyone involved with the Lit administration to Hitler. So far as I know, no one running this site (not even the mods) are opening up genocidal concentration camps or housing POWs on military stockpiles in violation of international law. Or invading their neighbors for that matter.

Sadly far too many Americans (native or naturalized) are too quick to associate anyone they don't like this week to Hitler, even if the two aren't anywhere near the same ballpark.


Side Note: If you're only interested in A-V materials (possibly because reading's too hard or imaginations are stunted, or something), move over to the Call - Kelly forums where there are virtually no restrictions.

Well, duh, I know that the American Religious Right--the folks who dictate the rules Literotica is trying to follow--isn't sending 6 million Jews to gas chambers! But they do seek to restrict the free expression of ideas, just as the Nazis did...and for the same reasons: power and control! And it is naive to think that the Religious Right doesn't commit murder, such as the Oklahoma City bombing, the murders of doctors who offer abortion services, hate-crime killing of gays, etc. American Religious conservatives in centuries past did commit murder on a large scale, from the Salem Witch Trials to lynchings, and it frightens me to hear their modern descendants speak of a return to "the good old days of family values", good old days when such practices were not only tolerated but encouraged.

Oh and by the way, I test at 133 (genius level) IQ, I read the newspaper every day and about 3 books a week since I was a teenager, and am author of 19 published books and over 200 magazine articles, and producer of 4 documentary films. But I do like seeing the pics here and mostly I like to have freedom to decide whether I want to see such pics, not have that decided FOR me by the Religious Right. Guess that DOES make me pretty stupid, to want freedom to be up to me, not up to some Christian Fundamentalist who finds something I enjoy to be personally offensive to him. Gotta be a true idiot to bristle at restrictions to freedom, huh?

 

[blackieone]

Hmm, I doubt it is retroactive, but I couldn't say for certain. Sorry I couldn't help you. Some people were thinking that the rule was new, as in very recently put into place.

thanks for the help,in any case

i've seen the pics,very sexy..you got lovely lips

ahem,some pics i've seen are against the rules

 

[umchick5]

thanks for the help,in any case

i've seen the pics,very sexy..you got lovely lips

ahem,some pics i've seen are against the rules

I'll have you know that I have removed whatever ones were against the rules just this morning! I think having only 30 or so pics out of 600 being those that might possibly break the rules isn't so bad.

Thanks for the compliments hun!

 

[blackieone]

I'll have you know that I have removed whatever ones were against the rules just this morning! I think having only 30 or so pics out of 600 being those that might possibly break the rules isn't so bad.

Thanks for the compliments hun!

shame needin to cancel pics such a beauty

 

[Fflow]

A friend read this on another thread and suggested I post it here:

If the owners of Lit had any balls they'd work with the ACLU and take this new law to the supreme court. If the owners of Lit worked with the ACLU, the ACLU would cover the cost of the legal fees. That's what they do: Fight for and protect our Civil Liberties. In my mind the law is utterly unconstitutional. Speech is protected, even if it is something others find distasteful or offensive. This law limits speech.

Also, the intention of the new law is not to protect children from accessing adult content. It is to prevent child pornography from being distributed. Each image must have a legal document associated with it, proving that the model is of legal age. Pay sites that use professional models maintain these records.

Prior to this new law, lit was not littered with illegal images. I cannot recall a single instance of child pornography being posted here, and I've been visiting the site regularly for a long time.

Also, here in the US we have a rather narrow idea about what is and isn't appropriate. Kids are having sex at younger and younger ages in part because we are isolating them from the reality of sexuality. In other countries, this is not nearly as big a problem as it is here.

The mind and body of a 17 year old is not substantially different from the mind and body of an 18 year old. I'm not in favor of sexualizing or objectifying children, but I do believe that there must be a better way than the draconian measures our country has currently implemented.

The idea of 'protecting' minors from porn is, in my mind, absurd. As a parent myself I teach my child values that guide her choices. She knows what is and isn't allowed, and the consequences for breaking our guidelines. Also, because we use a router in our home, I can monitor every website she accesses.

I recall having little difficulty finding pornography as a teen, when I decided to get my hands on some. It is everywhere. Rather than preventing our children from accessing it, which denies legitimate access to adults, we should be committed to an open and honest dialog with out children about sexuality, and place it withing a meaningful context for them.

Conservatives believe in small government, but they seem to be the first in line to use it to control what they fear, rather than dealing with it themselves. This kind of hypocracy is what I find offensive.

 

[blackieone]

and there are so many things children should be protected about..........including those massive doeses of ads and the industries tryng to turning them into customers from such an early age.
Why not ban all the violence movies?And all the people using religion as a way to turn the kids into what they want?

Not long ago a kid was expelled form a school that was receiving funds from Cococa cola for sporting a pespi cola t-shirt.How do you call that?

I think that this kind of hypocrisy is completely ruining the youth of today and tomorrow

 

[RawHumor]

Not long ago a kid was expelled form a school that was receiving funds from Cococa cola for sporting a pespi cola t-shirt.How do you call that?

Do you have a link?

 

[blackieone]

Do you have a link?

it did happen about one year ago,it was posted somewhere in lit also,if i'm correct.

 

[Fflow]

Children need to be protected from some things, like physical threats, emotional abuse, and insecurity.

I asked two 12 year old girls if they'd rather watch a romantic scene with some nudity, or an exploding head. Both chose the latter. Children have natural interests which change as they develop. By maintaining healthy, loving, open relationships with them we can provide them with opportunities to speak with us about their interests and concerns. I don't avoid showing romantic scenes to my daughter and, when they're on, she'll look away or not. She can choose those kinds of things based on her own comfort level. When we watch films with graphic violence, most often she laughs.

Anyway, sarcasm is not a productive tool in this discussion. If we're to speak of these things, let us be sincere.

Peace.

srw

 

[Crazy_Jezabel]

Well, duh, I know that the American Religious Right--the folks who dictate the rules Literotica is trying to follow--isn't sending 6 million Jews to gas chambers! But they do seek to restrict the free expression of ideas, just as the Nazis did...and for the same reasons: power and control! And it is naive to think that the Religious Right doesn't commit murder, such as the Oklahoma City bombing, the murders of doctors who offer abortion services, hate-crime killing of gays, etc. American Religious conservatives in centuries past did commit murder on a large scale, from the Salem Witch Trials to lynchings, and it frightens me to hear their modern descendants speak of a return to "the good old days of family values", good old days when such practices were not only tolerated but encouraged.

Oh and by the way, I test at 133 (genius level) IQ, I read the newspaper every day and about 3 books a week since I was a teenager, and am author of 19 published books and over 200 magazine articles, and producer of 4 documentary films. But I do like seeing the pics here and mostly I like to have freedom to decide whether I want to see such pics, not have that decided FOR me by the Religious Right. Guess that DOES make me pretty stupid, to want freedom to be up to me, not up to some Christian Fundamentalist who finds something I enjoy to be personally offensive to him. Gotta be a true idiot to bristle at restrictions to freedom, huh?

I've been saying that the USA is in the beginning stages of World War II for at least 4 years now. No, people aren't put in prision camps yet, but who says that if Bush gets his way and is able to go against the Constitution and go into his 3rd term because we are in a middle of a war that it won't get as far as World War II? We are suppose to learn from history, but not everyone does learn from it.

I'm always told that the USA is the best country you could live in and that's it's nothing like Germany right before World War II or nothing like a middle eastern country. I agree that the USA isn't as bad as a middle eastern country yet and I agree that we aren't in the stages of repeating World War II yet, but all the signs are there. Aparently not the majority of the USA sees this, because they keep voting for moronic people into office.