Setting free the beast

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

I hadn't really thought of this, but now that you mention this it would definetly be part of the problem for me. I'm 6 foot 4 and 240 pounds. I'd feel awful if I accidentally lost complete control for a moment and caused my lover harm.

I realize women are not delicate little flowers. But I still have (give or take) 9 inches and 100 pounds on a good percentage of them. What would be "full power" to them might only be like half power to me.

Pink Orchid, I always enjoy reading your threads.

This quote in particular gives me pause. I once had a partner who was 6'8, about 315 pounds. I am 5'2. He enjoyed the power his size gave him, and used it to his advantage. I am quite sure, though, that I was never on the receiving end of the full limits of what he could do. It's one thing to let out the beast within, and it's an entirely other thing to allow it to consume you. That's why we have safewords, and limits, and such-like.

Thanks again, for the the thread; I've enjoyed reading everyone's responses.

~anelize

 

[DuckLover]

I'm literally that "Boy Scout" previously mentioned. I've always been the considerate, chivalrous nice guy. Letting the beast out is hard partly for the aforementioned reasons of societal training that women are delicate and not to be harmed, but also because of societal training to be polite. Pulling her hair, spanking her hard, and saying things like "C'mon, fuck my cock like you mean it, you slutty little whore!" are, to say the least, rude.

The trust factor is HUGE. I don't want to offend or scare off a partner with even mild dirty talk, let alone the above. Nor do I want to do so with kinky or rough sex acts. I worry about us saying "Yes, let's try X", me getting into it, and her deciding "No way! That was just WRONG and so is he for liking it!" I am incredibly fortunate that SG and I have such a strong, trusting relationship that I don't feel concerned about such a reaction from her. Even if she doesn't like what we try and I do, I know that it won't damage our relationship.

Positive encouragement ("oh yes, like that, a little more, ohhhhhh yeahhhhhh") and patience with "baby steps" are really key to building towards great animalistic sex. As was mentioned earlier, be glad your guy is so caring and hesitant to do anything to hurt you. There are too many abusive jerks out there.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

Mr. G.......OMG

Can you just teach a class or something? lol THAT'S the beast I'm talking about. That powerful, in charge, take her where's she's never been beast. I've been thinking about this thread alot. I think that there are men who can do what Mr. G's talking about, and there are men who cannot bring themselves to let go that much. Do you think you need just a tiny bit of sadism in your soul to do that? Cuz I know I've got that tiny bit of masochist in mine... And that's where the frustration lies. The one man I met who could do the aforementioned beast thing (my ex husband) was also a violent, cruel, giant looser. ho hum - the complexities of life!

 

[Lust Engine]

Interesting point, I think I may have physically hurt more partners than have hurt me (but then again, I don't feel much pain when I'm aroused).

Adrenaline's a wonderful pain killer in my book. Maybe that's why I love the rush so much. Besides what's wrong with a little risk of being hurt? I think it adds to the excitement of being nudged to that very edge.

 

[MagicFingers]

Do it hard

I have sen many raped, abused, used, hurt, injured women who thought they had a "Good" man. "He just gets a little carried away when he's been drinking." or "It's MY fault. I made him do it to me." No one wants a Mike Tyson in their bedroom. Guys like him don't know where to draw the line with hard or forceful sex. Most of us guys DO NOT want to be like that, and are concerned about what is acceptable, or desired by women. I knew a guy who walked up to a strange woman in a bar (in '70s), lifted up her skirt, and said, "I'm going to fuck that!" And HE DID!
If I did anything like that, I'd be beaten, whipped, cursed at, thrown out, and arrested.
Some women have wanted a guy, then screamed RAPE when he got too rough with her.

So, we guys are sensitive, to the woman's feelings, and to society's rules. It has been stated well by a couple of people earlier that PERMISSION is important for us. Let us know. I like the Green, Yellow, Red signal system.

And the comment earlier from the guy saying his woman yelled something like, "Fuck me harder, you Bastard", and he wanted to back away: If you are going as hard as you can already and she tells you to do it harder, and insults you too, that's just not a turn-on. It's OK to act slutty, but don't BE one! Porn stars are boring. But, someone like sweet, inocent, SexyChele or PinkOrchid acting out her fantasies in her own bedroom with her own private stud - that's hot.

 

[bashfull]

Howdy ya'll

I know I'm late to this thread but I'd like to contribute.

I have to agree that most men (at least the ones that you'd want in your life) are conditioned from the crib to be gentle with the ladies. To protect, not harm them. To watch our language, not abuse our verbage. To be the gentleman. I chose my Lit name b/c I can still blush when I carry on candid conversations. I still find it difficult to believe that there are women who openly express and discuss their sexuallity. I have an inkling that half the women on LIT sound too good to be true and somewhere in the back of my mind there lurks the notion that the wonderful, intelligent, witty, and sexual person posting is really some overweight bald man named Harry.

As for unleashing the beast, I would suggest a short discussion. Perhaps tell him how much you appreciate that he is such a gentleman. And how well he treats you as a lady. Then lean over, flick his ear with your tongue as your words, hot upon his flesh, moan out that he does so well treating you as a lady that you feel comfortable enough to want him to treat you like a slut.

Anyhow, that's my two cents worth.



Bash

 

[Amfig]

To chime in, probably way too late, here, I really think that the "Madonna/Whore" dichotomy has a lot to do with this thread. After all, mothers, sisters, wives are madonnas, so we have to be good boy scouts. Whores, we can cut loose with. Real hard to make the wife or girlfriend a whore in the bedroom and a madonna in the rest of the house.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[Amfig]

Remember that I suggested that it's hard to have a wife/girlfriend that you can feel ok about treating like the whore in the bedroom and madonna elsewhere. It's not impossible. Don't really know what works to let a guy go there, though.

First impressions probably count for a lot. I remember that one evening, years ago, a buddy and I met a girl who was intent on picking up both of us and filling a sandwich. She was on the rebound from being dumped by a boyfriend and wanted to do some serious grudge fucking. Neither my buddy nor I were interested in being in a sandwich. He took her home. She made up her mind to fuck his brains out. When I saw my buddy again a week or so later, he didn't want to call her again. "just a slut."

Fast forward about five years. I ran into the same lady in a professional setting. She was the picture of propriety.

These days men are supposed to be both strong and sensitive. Women can be both madonnas and whores. But men have to feel that it's ok to be with a woman who wants to fuck like the whore tonight, and still be able to respect her in the morning. I think that I learned that lesson from an ex. My ex would have nothing to do with oral sex. My lover on the side adored oral sex. It suddenly hit me that I respected her and her passion for me all the more because she loved it.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

Re: Howdy ya'll

II have an inkling that half the women on LIT sound too good to be true and somewhere in the back of my mind there lurks the notion that the wonderful, intelligent, witty, and sexual person posting is really some overweight bald man named Harry.

Bash

OMG! too funny......

 

[Native Alien]

Good grief bash, I could have went all day without that image in my head. lol

 

[bashfull]

Re: Re: Howdy ya'll

OMG! too funny......

Only if it isn't true, darlin'!



Bash

 

[bashfull]

Good grief bash, I could have went all day without that image in my head. lol

Well, in the absence of "other" items in your head....<weg>




Bash

 

[Ass_tronaut_T]

Re: Howdy ya'll

I still find it difficult to believe that there are women who openly express and discuss their sexuallity. I have an inkling that half the women on LIT sound too good to be true and somewhere in the back of my mind there lurks the notion that the wonderful, intelligent, witty, and sexual person posting is really some overweight bald man named Harry.

I can't tell you anything about the others... - but just let me assure you that Pink O. IS wonderful, intelligent, witty and (very) sexual. AND she is very real.... A real madonna that just needs a good, hard fuck once in a while..
"Too good to be true" may be your first impression -but throw her on the bed, grab her hair and push her down to lick your balls... and then enjoy the excitement in her eyes as she looks up at you.. knowing you will fuck her up the ass soon, anticipating it.. - THAT is better than "too good to be true"...

T.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

I keep coming back to this board specifically to read PinkOrchid & SexyChele's replies and advice
Hopefully I will learn something.
( & MR. G, teach me sensai)

 

[LoneOne]

Ok, I´m a guy, 21 years old and never had anything like a girlfriend and my reallife status is what you are here with less than 30 posts.

I think one of the main reasons is the topic of this thread.
I´m one of these nice, gentle persons and I could never hurt someone (except myself, I´m quite good at this but thats another story) At least this is how people are thinking about me.

I´m only this way because society told me to be that way, you can change me easily.

The problem is I like the type of woman who have a beast within their souls.

Ok, I have to admit my picture of what a beautifull woman should look like is somehow strange, best described by "A face of an fallen angel, crying about mankinds fall from grace".
And finding an innocent looking woman with a beast in her soul is realy hard for me.

I think most people lost their animalistic nature or better said it got perverted, form something natural good to something that spawns violence, rape and so on but thats just my theory.

I just want to say, I don´t like violence but... it´s hard to describe... maybe natural harshness would be a good word, yes I like natural harshness paired with beautifull innocence. (and intelligence, I want to ad)

To answer the question in my case: you want me to be a beast, a wild animal...? then be a wild beast yourself.

That would be enought for me, after this howling is optional

 

[Native Alien]

So here is my two cents worth again. Does this not raise another question about how we as women can and do condition men to treat us a certain way?

I don't know about anyone else, but with my size and my strenght, hurting me is about the last thing that any male should worry about. But because they have been taught (conditioned) by society that they are to treat us like fine china it takes alot to get the beast out. Not that I mind, but just once in a while it would be nice for me NOT to have to do that. If he would just let go on his own.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

So here is my two cents worth again. Does this not raise another question about how we as women can and do condition men to treat us a certain way?

I don't know about anyone else, but with my size and my strenght, hurting me is about the last thing that any male should worry about. But because they have been taught (conditioned) by society that they are to treat us like fine china it takes alot to get the beast out. Not that I mind, but just once in a while it would be nice for me NOT to have to do that. If he would just let go on his own.

OMG yes. I like being the aggressor - but ALL the time? I can see I have some teaching to do. I just don't think it will go over well.......

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[Noor]

I have tried this with some partners before, bared myself like this, made myself vulnerable in this context, and be squarely rejected. It is VERY hard to handle. Everyone responds differently to different kinds of rejection. For me, it is an extremely painful blow to allow a man access to this part of me and be rejected and/or ridiculed. It strikes me on a very deep level. I think one of the reasons I began this thread to to help give me the strength to keep doing it despite this, to keep searching for someone I can share myself with like this who has the courage and compulsion to do the same. Hearing that there ARE men like you and others on this board is very healing for me, so thanks to you and everyone else like you.

I think anytime a woman lets herself be vulnerable and bare her raw sexual needs and desires there is a tremendous risk of being rejected. Men seem to handle it better if they can attributed to drugs or alcohol. There are also men who mistake this for love. While many times allowing yourself to be that vulnerable to allow someone to see exactly what you want, and are feeling with them happens within the context of a love relationship, all you really need is trust and desire.

You need someone who has more than the courage and compulsion to do the same, you need someone who won't reject you for it.

I have a very hard time handling this kind of rejection too, to let someone in to a very deep part of myself and be rejected.
Sometimes I forget that what men say in theory can easily disappear in practice and it hurts a lot when you are lead to believe that you are in a safe place to share your desires and feelings with someone you trust and then find you really weren't.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[SuperShyGuy]

I think the idea being expressed that any man can be turned into a beast is a bit off. Just as there are women who don't like giving head, men who won't eat pussy, both women and men who don't like anal sex, some people don't like being tied up at all ect.

"Unleashing the beast" is the same thing. It is just like any other sex act, and that means it isn't for everyone.

 

[LoneOne]

So do you think a person's inability to truly let loose in a sexual context may be based on fear? If so, then fear of what? Fear of a loss of innocence within one's self? Fear of being seen by someone else as perverted? Fear of baring one's self on such a primal and vulnerable level and being rejected? Fear of not being able to maintain one's own innocence and becoming one of those news stories?

Yes, I think it´s some kind of fear. As an example, I´ve written that people see me as an nice and polite person, I am conditioned to be this way. It is true, I just react this way sometimes... the bad thing is I fear beeing not like this will get me rejected. You can say it´s in my brain and I don´t get it out.

I fear rejection, and so I don´t trust many people because I fear if I tell them, or show them a little bit to much they will think I´m a freak or something like this. In my case this leads to the point that I´m more polite and nice to people I do not want to lose.
This only changes if I sense that these people will not reject me for me beeing a little bit harsh. This is a very long phase, I would be glad if I could read thoughts, that would be much better with this ability.

There are others like me (at least I think so) who are unable to truly trust someone because of this fear. I think beeing rejected for what you realy are, to demonstrate this to one and be called insane (in the way of "you are such a freak, go see a doctor") by someone you love can hurt. If you want to let loose there must be trust in the relationship. You have to know how the other person will react and this is a realy hard task.