Seven delusions plaguing the mind of the Trump base voter

[RandyRebecca]

RandyRebecca is a Russian disinformation officer or bot. It likes to gloss over or omit salient and relevant information and context. Like Obama actually started a public-private group that was already bring jobs back to the USA but of course trump grabbed credit and she touts trump. And she blames Biden for the Afghan withdrawal without ever noting trump set that whole thing in motion with the Doha Accord behind the back of the Afghan government.

Hello Senator McCarthy.

And no, I don't "tout Trump". You're the one spreading disinformation by saying so, nor am I in the employ of Russia (good grief). Face the reality of what Democrats do wrong, and how badly they alienate people, instead of ignoring it.

That will never happen. However even if it did those probably would be wasted votes.

Strictly speaking, under the electoral college system, every single vote cast for a candidate who does not win the popular vote in any individual state, is a wasted vote (Maine and Nebraska aside, perhaps). So, for example, all the votes for Biden in Texas in 2020 were wasted votes, and didn't count a damn towards the end result. Biden won the popular vote in 25 of the 50 states, plus in DC. Only the votes for Biden in those 25 states plus DC counted for anything in the electoral college (Oh, and Nebraska's second congressional district).

I watch this from the other side of the Atlantic and it saddens me that the great country that is the USA can't come up with better candidates than these two. If I were religious I'd pray for your country.

It's just as bad in Britain, isn't it, perhaps worse? You have a zombie authoritarian Conservative government and a "Labour Party" taken over by the deep state operative named Keir Starmer, helped by private health firms, NATO stooges, and Zionist lobbies. Plus ca change. Even worse, you have a monarchy. That Trumpist clown, Pompeo, openly admitted to sabotaging Corbyn's leadership of Labour over there. Corbyn too had illusions in "unity" with his party's right-wing, like the "bipartisan" Democrat politicians over here who appease DINOs and RINOs to keep the status quo intact.

Upstate New York is like Britain in a lot of ways, minus London and the nearby areas, i.e. it's deindustrialized, with bankers having shipped most industrial jobs to cheap labor areas, which was the main reason for Brexit happening, while taxes and inflation in recent years is ridiculous.

And to think that Britain, less than 10 years ago, was probably seen as the most stable country in Europe by the establishment.

Age aside there isn't anything particularly awful about Biden though.

Supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing and potential genocide of Palestinians? Getting us involved in two new wars while spending billions and billions of federal tax dollars on them? That is very awful. It staggers me how little so many people (like "vote blue, no matter who" Democrats) appreciate what Israel is doing, and how monstrous their war crimes are, with Biden's full support. What's the death toll over there now? I read on social media that it was something like 23,000+ dead and 8,000+ of those being children, after just over two months, and counting. Biden and the "vote blue, no matter who" Democrats expect the US electorate to ignore this and just vote for him next year. They even expect this of Arab Americans.

 

[Bn2f]

Since you mention the LGBTQ community, I'm bisexual. Does that mean that my opinion is worth more, or less, or no different, than if I was heterosexual? Or if I was homosexual for that matter. That sort of debate can only cause division.

You mention abortion rights. The fact is that the Democrats failed to codify Roe v Wade even when they controlled the presidency and both houses of congress, while Biden even now continues to support the filibuster and refusing to pack the SCOTUS, showing his true colors as a careerist politician who has no real principles beyond the status quo. The Democrat game is even more obvious since Roe v Wade was overturned, just like the Republican crazies' game is obvious. They want a culture war over abortion, and other issues, to distract people from focusing on the richest continuing to get richer at our expense. It's so predictable, and to keep voting for these same old corrupt policitians is the height of insanity.


I'm voting for what I want, not for what I don't want. That's all that I can control.


The way I see it, capitalist politicians are anti-working class politicians. Tweedledum or Tweedledee is no real choice. We need real options. If the current system doesn't give us that, why keep it and why defend it? And I can tell you now, the Democrats fear socialism and the working class much more than they fear a situation where Donald Trump becomes America's Julius Caesar, which is why they are sleepwalking towards the latter as they fear the former. Even Franklin D. Roosevelt terrified them, and him daring to be elected president 4 times, so in came Truman's Cold War and then McCarthyism and the second red scare.

You try to scare me with the prospect of "chaos" (as if we don't have that now!), but there's a saying "Where there's chaos, there's opportunity".


What the hell are you talking about?

Give me the the Jill Stein pitch. Tell me her platform. Tell me the mechanism she has in place for governance. This is the third time I’m asking! And I don’t need it from 2016. Trumpers piss me off but at least they can spout off crap to why they like him. You live in a world where you believe there are no consequences for your actions. Grow up. Be an adult. Again, you’re bisexual, but don’t wanna get your hands dirty. You depend on me and Adrina to do the right thing to insure your reproductive rights and your sexual freedom. You have no plan, can’t reiterate a platform, don’t have the ability to sway others, and mistake naïveté for intelligence. Ughhh!

 

[Bn2f]

"Where there's chaos, there's opportunity".

Just, holy shit, dumb.

 

[Bn2f]

 

[adrina]

Since you mention the LGBTQ community, I'm bisexual. Does that mean that my opinion is worth more, or less, or no different, than if I was heterosexual? Or if I was homosexual for that matter. That sort of debate can only cause division.

You mention abortion rights. The fact is that the Democrats failed to codify Roe v Wade even when they controlled the presidency and both houses of congress, while Biden even now continues to support the filibuster and refusing to pack the SCOTUS, showing his true colors as a careerist politician who has no real principles beyond the status quo. The Democrat game is even more obvious since Roe v Wade was overturned, just like the Republican crazies' game is obvious. They want a culture war over abortion, and other issues, to distract people from focusing on the richest continuing to get richer at our expense. It's so predictable, and to keep voting for these same old corrupt policitians is the height of insanity.


I'm voting for what I want, not for what I don't want. That's all that I can control.


The way I see it, capitalist politicians are anti-working class politicians. Tweedledum or Tweedledee is no real choice. We need real options. If the current system doesn't give us that, why keep it and why defend it? And I can tell you now, the Democrats fear socialism and the working class much more than they fear a situation where Donald Trump becomes America's Julius Caesar, which is why they are sleepwalking towards the latter as they fear the former. Even Franklin D. Roosevelt terrified them, and him daring to be elected president 4 times, so in came Truman's Cold War and then McCarthyism and the second red scare.

You try to scare me with the prospect of "chaos" (as if we don't have that now!), but there's a saying "Where there's chaos, there's opportunity".


What the hell are you talking about?

See Dobbs.

Cuz false equivalencies are false.

Make all the excuses you want. The GOP and Democrats are not the same. Saying they are is ignorance to the point of willful stupidity.

 

[YDB95]

Oh do tell why the polls show 22% of Blacks now support Trump.

Because polling is an inexact science. I'll be very surprised if he ends up with even half that much on Election Day.

 

[dkovic77]

Wow! the idiotic follow me around the politics forum and say stupid shit to me attack posture. You really are a pathetic piece of shit. Be gone I won't respond to you anymore.

Didn’t follow you around, you appeared and said dumb stuff. Wasn’t looking for you, in the slightest. Would be a better world with you snapped out of it.

 

[jomar]

Hello Senator McCarthy.

And no, I don't "tout Trump". You're the one spreading disinformation by saying so, nor am I in the employ of Russia (good grief).

Sure, sure. But then, what WOULD you say. The voice of reason you’re not.

Face the reality of what Democrats do wrong, and how badly they alienate people, instead of ignoring it.

And the deflection.

 

[dkovic77]

77 is nothing more than a childish snot nose self absorbed delusion individual lacking any sort of class. 77 is in perpetual competition with other leftist lunes as to which of them can ‘out adhom‘ the other. They all lack self awareness and all of them rent Trump space in the heads. No amount of credible sources is enough or credible. They attack any and all conservatives. RG, HisArpy, Wat, Chobham, you, BotBoy, and it’s always the same line ‘Orange traitor‘. Lit leftist outnumber conservatives I estimate 8-1. I’m praying Trump gets re-elected and hopefully exorcise this Marxist cancer from our country.

These fake believers in science think boys can be girls and girls can be boys. They believe children can make life changing decisions on their sexuality. They believe j/6 was an insurrection while 2020 riots were peaceful. They believe Trump is a Russian bot all the while Hillary was actually conspiring with Russians. Just laugh at them.

Well look who it is, the overly not helpful one.

When he was hiding in the white house basement (from a protest) the Cheeto got out the military to clear Lafayette park. All so he could pose with a book he has never read.

Then, when the Capitol was under attack, he sat in his dining room laughing and tweeting. Couldn’t bother to protect or make any moves to end the siege. Sure sounds like “preserve, protect, and defend” to me.

Credible sources at plenty sufficient. The garbage you (and your far from the real world “friends”) spew out is far from credible. Find sources that are not overtly biased that have facts in any of the first four (will go with four, instead of conspiracy or opinion leading the way) paragraphs…

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow! Thanks for the DNC play book. Ever had an original thought of your own?

Oh do tell why the polls show 22% of Blacks now support Trump.

The polls more than likely are wrong is the easiest answer there. There is no DNC play book. We wish there was.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well look who it is, the overly not helpful one.

When he was hiding in the white house basement (from a protest) the Cheeto got out the military to clear Lafayette park. All so he could pose with a book he has never read.

Then, when the Capitol was under attack, he sat in his dining room laughing and tweeting. Couldn’t bother to protect or make any moves to end the siege. Sure sounds like “preserve, protect, and defend” to me.

Credible sources at plenty sufficient. The garbage you (and your far from the real world “friends”) spew out is far from credible. Find sources that are not overtly biased that have facts in any of the first four (will go with four, instead of conspiracy or opinion leading the way) paragraphs…

The left wing media has brainwashed you.

Example; Hunter’s laptop was a Russian conspiracy, then it wasn’t his, then the media covered it up just before an election, Joe knew nothing about Hunter’s businesses, Hunter did nothing wrong, DOJ let’s tax evasion charges lapse, DOJ refusal to acknowledge IRS testimony, Merrick Garland provided protection racket for the Biden crime family. I could go on but you’re too brainwashed to be objective.

 

[Lazaran]

Nothing wrong with Biden but like it or not, his age is important. A viable candidate should be able to project a way forward over two terms, giving time for policies to be completed. That doesn't seem likely with Biden.

Well, President Biden only has to project his current stable competent leadership for one more term, so…

And people with FAR less access to the premium health care services provided to the POTUS are living to be 100, so…

It’s VERY LIKELY that President Biden could serve out an equally effective second term.

*nods*

 

[Lazaran]

Hello Senator McCarthy.

And no, I don't "tout Trump". You're the one spreading disinformation by saying so, nor am I in the employ of Russia (good grief). Face the reality of what Democrats do wrong, and how badly they alienate people, instead of ignoring it.


Strictly speaking, under the electoral college system, every single vote cast for a candidate who does not win the popular vote in any individual state, is a wasted vote (Maine and Nebraska aside, perhaps). So, for example, all the votes for Biden in Texas in 2020 were wasted votes, and didn't count a damn towards the end result. Biden won the popular vote in 25 of the 50 states, plus in DC. Only the votes for Biden in those 25 states plus DC counted for anything in the electoral college (Oh, and Nebraska's second congressional district).


It's just as bad in Britain, isn't it, perhaps worse? You have a zombie authoritarian Conservative government and a "Labour Party" taken over by the deep state operative named Keir Starmer, helped by private health firms, NATO stooges, and Zionist lobbies. Plus ca change. Even worse, you have a monarchy. That Trumpist clown, Pompeo, openly admitted to sabotaging Corbyn's leadership of Labour over there. Corbyn too had illusions in "unity" with his party's right-wing, like the "bipartisan" Democrat politicians over here who appease DINOs and RINOs to keep the status quo intact.

Upstate New York is like Britain in a lot of ways, minus London and the nearby areas, i.e. it's deindustrialized, with bankers having shipped most industrial jobs to cheap labor areas, which was the main reason for Brexit happening, while taxes and inflation in recent years is ridiculous.

And to think that Britain, less than 10 years ago, was probably seen as the most stable country in Europe by the establishment.


Supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing and potential genocide of Palestinians? Getting us involved in two new wars while spending billions and billions of federal tax dollars on them? That is very awful. It staggers me how little so many people (like "vote blue, no matter who" Democrats) appreciate what Israel is doing, and how monstrous their war crimes are, with Biden's full support. What's the death toll over there now? I read on social media that it was something like 23,000+ dead and 8,000+ of those being children, after just over two months, and counting. Biden and the "vote blue, no matter who" Democrats expect the US electorate to ignore this and just vote for him next year. They even expect this of Arab Americans.

Wtl;;dr

I’m surprised "Becky" has the temerity to show up here after being exposed as a LIAR.



Has "Becky" apologized to President Biden yet???



"Becky’s" LIES about President Biden and the railroad workers were deplorable.



JFC

SAD!!!



"Becky"

 

[coati]

I've got another delusion to add to the MAGAt list:

8) The delusion of a God President ('Only I can fix America" combined with "There is no way to the Father but through me"). MAGAts are primarily consumers, not citizens in the true sense of the word. As such, they are only concerned with how much stuff they can buy. This is their sole index for quality of life. They simplistically attribute their ability to buy stuff to the President of the USA. So, a candidate who promises to cut their taxes and improve their buying power is worshipped like a God, even if the candidate's claims are unfounded and based mainly on scapegoating women, minorities, and immigrants of color for any loss in purchasing power among working class people. In fact, that scapegoating is extremely compelling to the typical working class MAGAt, so this enhances the God-like image of the candidate and increases support in the "evangelical" community.


Democrats, by comparison, do not expect or want their candidate to be a God.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Give me the the Jill Stein pitch. Tell me her platform. Tell me the mechanism she has in place for governance. This is the third time I’m asking! And I don’t need it from 2016. Trumpers piss me off but at least they can spout off crap to why they like him.

What are Trump's policies? What are Biden's policies? List them.

Stein's platform is much to the left of the Democratic platform. Stein has also remained firm under pressure, like opposing Ukraine's government and opposing Israel's ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide, a complete contrast to Sanders.

You live in a world where you believe there are no consequences for your actions.

No, that's the big business capitalist class. They expect people to keep voting for them no matter how terrible those policies are for most Americans, hence why they focus on culture war issues as a distraction.

Grow up. Be an adult.

Excuse me? I'm a 40-year-old mother of six and grandmother of one, who is divorced and at times had a chaotic personal life, and who has lost four family members in the last decade. Be an adult?

Again, you’re bisexual, but don’t wanna get your hands dirty.

Uh?

You depend on me and Adrina to do the right thing to insure your reproductive rights and your sexual freedom.

The Democrats do none of that. They didn't codify Roe v Wade, they don't oppose the filibuster, they won't even pack SCOTUS. They are fakes, upholding the status quo that they support continuing, and using culture wars as a distraction in a cynical attempt to win votes while they send billions of our federal tax dollars to warmongering far right regimes. Was that listed in Biden's 2020 platform?

Every right we have today was won by the working class and unions, and was not granted from on high by a benevolent government. In the 1970s, the US ruling class didn't want a fight with the women's movement over abortion in light of other matters, which is why Roe v Wade happened. Today, they do want a culture war over abortion, so Roe v Wade was scrapped. The idea that Democrats ensure our rights to abortion and same-sex relationships/marriages is pure fiction.

You have no plan, can’t reiterate a platform

I've told you my plan. No votes for capitalist parties, class independence for the working class, the need to build a mass Socialist/Labor Party and voting for the most left-wing options in elections. In other words, voting for what I support and not for what I don't support. The crisis in society, as it deepens, will mean more and more people seeking ways out of the crisis, into third party options.

What is your plan, exactly, and those of "vote blue, no matter who" Democrats? Keep voting for what you don't want, and then claim "victory" if Tweedledum beats Tweedledee? That's fools' gold. If the current system can't do better than this, then there's zero reason to defend it.

Just, holy shit, dumb.

A fact of history. Look at all the big revolutionary and change events. Out of chaos came opportunity.

See Dobbs.

Cuz false equivalencies are false.

Make all the excuses you want. The GOP and Democrats are not the same. Saying they are is ignorance to the point of willful stupidity.

I didn't say they were "the same", but two sections of the same big business capitalist class, i.e. the liberal and the conservative. Their differences are in terms of strategy. I've explained the differences in the foreign policy approaches of Trump and Biden several times. They both use culture war issues, taking opposite sides, to distract from the richest people in society continuing to get richer at our expense.

Many decades ago, "left" was meant far more in economic terms rather than cultural, and it meant being pro-union and pro-socialist, with a strong focus on jobs, wages, terms and conditions, whereas now "left" seems to be all about cultural, racial, gender etc. issues while using things like "free trade" to ship industrial jobs to other countries where wages are lower. This absurdly means that today's "right" (i.e. Trump and some Republicans) are posing as caring more about the rust belt by opposing these policies that drive down workers' pay and ship industrial jobs abroad, as Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and attacked welfare, Barack Obama bailed out Wall Street soon after the 2008 crash, and now Biden spends billions of dollars on foreign wars as inflation bites into the cost of every day essentials.

They are "the same" in wanting the richest to keep getting richer, and are therefore the enemies of most Americans.

And the deflection.

Deflection from what? You seriously think that the Democrats are perfect and that when they lose it's because of Russia? Deluded beyond belief. The "Russia" accusation is the deflection, a deflection so that the Democratic Party won't have to look inwards at their failings, and so they can just carry on with the same right-wing policies (especially foreign policy and enriching the richest) while posing as "left".

 

[RandyRebecca]

Wtl;;dr

I’m surprised "Becky" has the temerity to show up here after being exposed as a LIAR.



Has "Becky" apologized to President Biden yet???



"Becky’s" LIES about President Biden and the railroad workers were deplorable.



JFC

SAD!!!



"Becky"

Apologize to a president who broke a rail strike while claiming to be "pro-labor", and supporting ethnic cleansing and potential genocide?

 

[Lazaran]

Apologize to a president who broke a rail strike while claiming to be "pro-labor", and supporting ethnic cleansing and potential genocide?

Apologize, you LYING POS.

TIA

 

[adrina]

I didn't say they were "the same", but two sections of the same big business capitalist class, i.e. the liberal and the conservative. Their differences are in terms of strategy. I've explained the differences in the foreign policy approaches of Trump and Biden several times. They both use culture war issues, taking opposite sides, to distract from the richest people in society continuing to get richer at our expense.

Many decades ago, "left" was meant far more in economic terms rather than cultural, and it meant being pro-union and pro-socialist, with a strong focus on jobs, wages, terms and conditions, whereas now "left" seems to be all about cultural, racial, gender etc. issues while using things like "free trade" to ship industrial jobs to other countries where wages are lower. This absurdly means that today's "right" (i.e. Trump and some Republicans) are posing as caring more about the rust belt by opposing these policies that drive down workers' pay and ship industrial jobs abroad, as Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and attacked welfare, Barack Obama bailed out Wall Street soon after the 2008 crash, and now Biden spends billions of dollars on foreign wars as inflation bites into the cost of every day essentials.

They are "the same" in wanting the richest to keep getting richer, and are therefore the enemies of most Americans.

Yes you have. Repeatedly. You laser focus in on the "working man economics" and ignore everything else. The GOP has done more to hurt the "working man" with their stringent social policies and their gladhanding the rich economics. Yet you put the democrats on the same level.

We live in a capitalist economy. You can't be surprised that both major parties are heavily involved in it. It's not thrilling but it is the economic fabric we live in.

You're still cutting off your nose to spite your face. Every single fool - and yes it is very foolish - who does not support Biden helps Trump. And having Trump and the GOP in power is just about the most stupid and harmful thing that could happen.

It seems you can't tell the difference. Which again, takes ignorance to the brink of willful stupidity.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Apologize, you LYING POS.

TIA

You are turning reality upside down. Repeating a lie doesn't change the fact that it's still a lie.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The left wing media has brainwashed you.

Example; Hunter’s laptop was a Russian conspiracy, then it wasn’t his, then the media covered it up just before an election, Joe knew nothing about Hunter’s businesses, Hunter did nothing wrong, DOJ let’s tax evasion charges lapse, DOJ refusal to acknowledge IRS testimony, Merrick Garland provided protection racket for the Biden crime family. I could go on but you’re too brainwashed to be objective.

If any of the Biden's are found guilty of any crime for any reason, I will stand with America and the judge's decision.

Now you go.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes you have. Repeatedly. You laser focus in on the "working man economics" and ignore everything else. The GOP has done more to hurt the "working man" with their stringent social policies and their gladhanding the rich economics. Yet you put the democrats on the same level.

They both have. I mentioned Clinton (NAFTA, welfare attacks), Obama and Biden for the Democrats. They sit alongside the Bushes, Trump and especially Reagan (turbo charging neo-liberal laissez-faire economics) for the Republicans. Carter also alienated so many people before that. And American workers, men and women, haven't had a real terms pay rise in around 50 years, since Ford or Nixon were in the White House.

We live in a capitalist economy. You can't be surprised that both major parties are heavily involved in it. It's not thrilling but it is the economic fabric we live in.

Why would I vote for it? I don't agree with it.

Here's the illusion of "democracy" under capitalism, a screen to hide the fact that big corporations, the military industrial complex, and banks, run society, and do so unconditionally. If "democracy" gets in its way of profiteering, then they will declare war on democracy. The Trumpist section of the capitalists has already started to do so. What Trump tried on January 6 2021 is basically what US embassies have done in countries where they want to overthrow the government. Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans have whined about it ever since, but they supported it in other countries.

You're still cutting off your nose to spite your face. Every single fool - and yes it is very foolish - who does not support Biden helps Trump.

Is Trump even the greater evil at this point? Biden is currently endorsing a genocide and sending billions of US dollars over to Israel, having already backed Ukraine for years in a proxy war against Russia (with neonazis in Ukraine's national guard since 2014, while Canadian MPs, mostly liberals, applauded a 98-year-old Waffen SS veteran for fighting against Russia in WW2). He has used our federal tax dollars to fund this, while the cost of essentials is high and seemingly getting worse.

And having Trump and the GOP in power is just about the most stupid and harmful thing that could happen.

Tell that to people who vote for Trump. I'm not one of them.

 

[ll74]

Apologize to a president who broke a rail strike while claiming to be "pro-labor",

Yah, except the Biden administration continued to negotiate with rail companies to get paid sick leave for all workers.

You're believing the GOP talking points...good job

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/01/railroad-workers-union-win-sick-leave

When Joe Biden and Congress enacted legislation in December that blocked a threatened freight rail strike, many workers angrily faulted Biden for not ensuring that the legislation also guaranteed paid sick days. But since then, union officials says, members of the Biden administration, including the transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, and labor secretary, Marty Walsh, who stepped down on 11 March, lobbied the railroads, telling them it was wrong not to grant paid sick days.

 

[adrina]

They both have. I mentioned Clinton (NAFTA, welfare attacks), Obama and Biden for the Democrats. They sit alongside the Bushes, Trump and especially Reagan (turbo charging neo-liberal laissez-faire economics) for the Republicans. Carter also alienated so many people before that. And American workers, men and women, haven't had a real terms pay rise in around 50 years, since Ford or Nixon were in the White House.


Why would I vote for it? I don't agree with it.

Here's the illusion of "democracy" under capitalism, a screen to hide the fact that big corporations, the military industrial complex, and banks, run society, and do so unconditionally. If "democracy" gets in its way of profiteering, then they will declare war on democracy. The Trumpist section of the capitalists has already started to do so.


Is Trump even the greater evil at this point? Biden is currently endorsing a genocide and sending billions of US dollars over to Israel, having already backed Ukraine for years in a proxy war against Russia (with neonazis in Ukraine's national guard since 2014, while Canadian MPs, mostly liberals, applauded a 98-year-old Waffen SS veteran for fighting against Russia in WW2).


Tell that to people who vote for Trump. I'm not one of them.

Again, more of these false equivalencies you keep denying making.

Let's just put it as a given that both parties have capitalistic ties and roots. That is the reality. I'm not denying it. It is our society, it is our economy. It's how you can go to Target etc and buy all that crap from China. It's how you can have your Amazon deliveries etc. It's even how you can buy the plastic bags to put all that China crap into the landfill in.

So let's address these social policies that I contend, with a fair amount of evidence, are seriously and even gravely harmful to the "working man". Dobbs as mentioned earlier. Without access to reproductive options, poverty among women and children will increase. That's another given. Without access to things like the ACA (still on their radar), medical bankruptcies among Americans will increase. Environmental regulations are another one. How do you like the air you breathe and the water you drink? Are you ready to see your children have reproductive issues and cancer from the PFAS the republicans don't want to clean up? Can't forget about the lead pipes. Voting rights? And on and on and on.

You want to look at economics. Fair due. It's not unimportant. But it's not the only thing. You need to open your eyes and quit acting like it is.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yah, except the Biden administration continued to negotiate with rail companies to get paid sick leave for all workers.

You're believing the GOP talking points...good job

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/01/railroad-workers-union-win-sick-leave

Nearly all Democrats in the House voted to stop rail workers from striking, including members of "The Squad" (except Tlaib).

 

[ll74]

Nearly all Democrats in the House voted to stop rail workers from striking, including members of "The Squad" (except Tlaib).

Yes, because it would've impacted the economy horribly. But the end result was what the union wanted because of Biden and the Democrats.

You're incredibly short sighted and have absolutely no long term vision. You don't always get exactly what you want without a few detours and steps along the way. Everything is binary to you...much like others in this forum. Compromise is a dirty word, it seems.