Sexless Marriages

[Loves2lick4u]

I am totally in a sexless marriage and have been pretty much for a few years! We’re out there but we are a bit like unicorns

I am a woman in her 50’s with the sex drive of an 18 yr old boy, that’s not normal I’ve been told by female friends the same age and male friends. I should be settling down for my old age with my hormones dying a slow death, but hell no!

Yeah, i have friends in the area that are in that same boat. Women have higher sex drive that they did at 18 or so. Makes me envy them, wish they could help me out and i them. It would fix both of our issues at lest for a period of time.

 

[MsSuckMyLollipop]

So back to the story, I wait until she comes home and I sit her down and have a talk. I acknowledge that my physical reactions puts pressure on her, so I suggest no more sex attempts unless she wants to try. If I get hard from a hug, it will be ignored. I only ask that we be able to kiss, hug, touch in non sexual ways...she agrees. I reiterate how much this means to me...she is on board.

So, one night recently I was perusing Lit, and I got a PM, from a member,... a female member. Her sexless marriage was from a medical condition which effectively stopped intimacy years ago. After much discussion, her husband had allowed her to acquire a FWB. This is a huge step and kudos to her husband for loving her so much that he did something that only benefited her. It takes a big man to separate love from sex, it's not how men are wired

So, my suggestion to those that feel trapped. The chance of anything changing on it's own are minuscule. You have to change it by talking to your spouse and asking for some freedom. My wife years ago took on the "don't ask don't tell" attitude. That is not good enough for me & I will be talking to her soon. I will never go back and live the way I was living....the price was too high.

I wish that all couples could have this conversation...an open, honest covo: as in, "I'm not into sex anymore but honey, since your sex drive is still high...go for it. Be smart, be safe and have a good time" Male or female partner, married or just together and HEAR each other. Set up parameters, 'rules' if you will..that will allow for one person to still find fulfillment that the other doesn't need/want.

Personally speaking, I grew up Catholic and until a few years ago..I couldn't separate the whole 'sex only happens with someone you love and are committed (ie, married to)' concept I was forced to believe as a child/young adult. It hit me as only an EPIPHANY can...that it's simple to just keep the two separate.

Sex DOES NOT equal love - the caveat for me though is there needs to be a relationship/friendship happening...as in, "I care if you get injured, something happens in your life that hurts you"....but what happens to YOU in YOUR life with your WIFE/family/friends is a minor facet of the friendship, and only if YOU choose to tell me.

"Hey lover, (wife and I) played a mean game of Farkle with our neighborhood group last night and I kicked ass"...is interesting...

But I'd rather hear that you thought about ME all day (even while you were playing cards and trying to concentrate enough to win) and ended up in the neighbor's bathroom, your dick so hard you couldn't stand up straight, stroking yourself, aching for me, kneeling there in front of you, mouth on your cock sucking you into oblivion.

To me, that's the difference. That's attraction/desire/need...not love. Love is for your primary relationship, not your FWB and if the whole world could grasp that concept, we'd be a much happier bunch. It seems the French have it down pat - the wife/partner/mother of your children/woman you love and will spend the rest of your life with....

And the woman who rocks your world sexually...and you hers.

 

[Loves2lick4u]

I wish that all couples could have this conversation...an open, honest covo: as in, "I'm not into sex anymore but honey, since your sex drive is still high...go for it. Be smart, be safe and have a good time" Male or female partner, married or just together and HEAR each other. Set up parameters, 'rules' if you will..that will allow for one person to still find fulfillment that the other doesn't need/want.

Personally speaking, I grew up Catholic and until a few years ago..I couldn't separate the whole 'sex only happens with someone you love and are committed (ie, married to)' concept I was forced to believe as a child/young adult. It hit me as only an EPIPHANY can...that it's simple to just keep the two separate.

Sex DOES NOT equal love - the caveat for me though is there needs to be a relationship/friendship happening...as in, "I care if you get injured, something happens in your life that hurts you"....but what happens to YOU in YOUR life with your WIFE/family/friends is a minor facet of the friendship, and only if YOU choose to tell me.

"Hey lover, (wife and I) played a mean game of Farkle with our neighborhood group last night and I kicked ass"...is interesting...

But I'd rather hear that you thought about ME all day (even while you were playing cards and trying to concentrate enough to win) and ended up in the neighbor's bathroom, your dick so hard you couldn't stand up straight, stroking yourself, aching for me, kneeling there in front of you, mouth on your cock sucking you into oblivion.

To me, that's the difference. That's attraction/desire/need...not love. Love is for your primary relationship, not your FWB and if the whole world could grasp that concept, we'd be a much happier bunch. It seems the French have it down pat - the wife/partner/mother of your children/woman you love and will spend the rest of your life with....

And the woman who rocks your world sexually...and you hers.

Holy hell, you gave me a hardon just readying this. Amazing talents

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

I wish that all couples could have this conversation...an open, honest covo: as in, "I'm not into sex anymore but honey, since your sex drive is still high...go for it. Be smart, be safe and have a good time" Male or female partner, married or just together and HEAR each other. Set up parameters, 'rules' if you will..that will allow for one person to still find fulfillment that the other doesn't need/want.

Personally speaking, I grew up Catholic and until a few years ago..I couldn't separate the whole 'sex only happens with someone you love and are committed (ie, married to)' concept I was forced to believe as a child/young adult. It hit me as only an EPIPHANY can...that it's simple to just keep the two separate.

Sex DOES NOT equal love - the caveat for me though is there needs to be a relationship/friendship happening...as in, "I care if you get injured, something happens in your life that hurts you"....but what happens to YOU in YOUR life with your WIFE/family/friends is a minor facet of the friendship, and only if YOU choose to tell me.

"Hey lover, (wife and I) played a mean game of Farkle with our neighborhood group last night and I kicked ass"...is interesting...

But I'd rather hear that you thought about ME all day (even while you were playing cards and trying to concentrate enough to win) and ended up in the neighbor's bathroom, your dick so hard you couldn't stand up straight, stroking yourself, aching for me, kneeling there in front of you, mouth on your cock sucking you into oblivion.

To me, that's the difference. That's attraction/desire/need...not love. Love is for your primary relationship, not your FWB and if the whole world could grasp that concept, we'd be a much happier bunch. It seems the French have it down pat - the wife/partner/mother of your children/woman you love and will spend the rest of your life with....

And the woman who rocks your world sexually...and you hers.

This. All of this. I'm also from a very strict background and my wife and I were encouraged to get married early (engaged at 20, married at 21) so as to enjoy all the fruits of marriage (sex) together. To continue to grow, mature, etc together. We're a pretty good team, we run a family and house like a decently organized enterprise, but we're terrible as lovers together, always have been. But, we didn't know that until after we were married, because we wed as virgins. Passion, desire, and sexual need are completely absent. I've had your epiphany, and have at least shared I don't think we're good together, but she has threatened me by putting forth all her efforts to withhold my children from me. She also said she'll try and take every penny I have, which I don't really care because my life in freedom is priceless, but 8 can't let her poison the relationships with my kids, so I'm here.

There is absolutely no chance of the aforementioned conversation happening where she would endorse me finding a FWB. Sex is important, but it's not even the main issue, it's the authenticity. I'm not who I thought I was going to be, but I didn't know this when I was still a kid and getting married.

 

[MsSuckMyLollipop]

This. All of this. I'm also from a very strict background and my wife and I were encouraged to get married early (engaged at 20, married at 21) so as to enjoy all the fruits of marriage (sex) together. To continue to grow, mature, etc together. We're a pretty good team, we run a family and house like a decently organized enterprise, but we're terrible as lovers together, always have been. But, we didn't know that until after we were married, because we wed as virgins. Passion, desire, and sexual need are completely absent. I've had your epiphany, and have at least shared I don't think we're good together, but she has threatened me by putting forth all her efforts to withhold my children from me. She also said she'll try and take every penny I have, which I don't really care because my life in freedom is priceless, but 8 can't let her poison the relationships with my kids, so I'm here.

There is absolutely no chance of the aforementioned conversation happening where she would endorse me finding a FWB. Sex is important, but it's not even the main issue, it's the authenticity. I'm not who I thought I was going to be, but I didn't know this when I was still a kid and getting married.

Oh grief,

You are preaching to the choir! Met my ex at 18, dated, wanted to live together - both sets of parents 'forbid' it (tells you how old I am) and we LISTENED!! Got married instead at 20/21....were happy enough but yes, had NO IDEA what love/sex/marriage was REALLY all about. Which led to issues, which led to me moving on....

I'm so sorry to hear that she's threatened alienation with your kids...that's the lowest of low, seriously. For an issue that the TWO ADULTS in the relationship have...to ruin yours with your kids...

I'm sorry - *I can send a pox her way if you'd like*..only half kidding.

It's the authenticity. I'm not who I thought I was going to be, but I didn't know this when I was still a kid and getting married.

YES! You have to be true to yourself and she's preventing that...

Marriage is a partnership in ALL things...if one 'leg' fails..then it threatens the entire structure. You are suffering and she's bullying...how is that going to solve the problem? So you hide your desire/need until it either damages you or you 'cheat'...which is a such a bullshite word.

As someone - was it @TemptationTango, above pointed out - she's already voided the contract...how can it be cheating after that?

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

Oh grief,

You are preaching to the choir! Met my ex at 18, dated, wanted to live together - both sets of parents 'forbid' it (tells you how old I am) and we LISTENED!! Got married instead at 20/21....were happy enough but yes, had NO IDEA what love/sex/marriage was REALLY all about. Which led to issues, which led to me moving on....

These concepts of young marriage are so outdated. I know for damn sure I will be coaching my kids to do differently as they move up and out.

I'm so sorry to hear that she's threatened alienation with your kids...that's the lowest of low, seriously. For an issue that the TWO ADULTS in the relationship have...to ruin yours with your kids...

My youngest is in middle school, so once they're all adults, I figure I can be free then. This way, they at least are old enough to not be used as pawns.

I'm sorry - *I can send a pox her way if you'd like*..only half kidding.

Have any of that good monkey pox laying around?

It's the authenticity. I'm not who I thought I was going to be, but I didn't know this when I was still a kid and getting married.

YES! You have to be true to yourself and she's preventing that...

Marriage is a partnership in ALL things...if one 'leg' fails..then it threatens the entire structure. You are suffering and she's bullying...how is that going to solve the problem? So you hide your desire/need until it either damages you or you 'cheat'...which is a such a bullshite word.

In this situation, she doesn't see at as bullying, though it is 100% what it is. From her vantage, she sees herself as the morally superior one with a stronger faith.

As someone - was it @TemptationTango, above pointed out - she's already voided the contract...how can it be cheating after that?

I had an affair for about a year, and I never felt better. I thought I would have been wrecked with guilt, but I had none, to my incredible surprise.

 

[MsSuckMyLollipop]

These concepts of young marriage are so outdated. I know for damn sure I will be coaching my kids to do differently as they move up and out.

Yep, did that with mine...and they've had the chance to 'be authentic' in the relationships that THEY want..not what their dad and I had to have.

My youngest is in middle school, so once they're all adults, I figure I can be free then. This way, they at least are old enough to not be used as pawns.

That's good...at least you have a 'end date' and hopefully they'll have the life experience themselves at that point to be fair with you.

Have any of that good monkey pox laying around?

I'll drop some in the mail for you tomorrow...

In this situation, she doesn't see at as bullying, though it is 100% what it is. From her vantage, she sees herself as the morally superior one with a stronger faith.

Oh no...using 'religion' as her bastion of superiority..."you've failed me, therefore you've failed 'god' " yeah, zip it.

/sorry if that comes across as demeaning your religious belief...I'm just so over people using god and religion as manipulation. I'm Wiccan and my gods don't pull that kind of crap on us.

I had an affair for about a year, and I never felt better. I thought I would have been wrecked with guilt, but I had none, to my incredible surprise.

would you have another? TT also said that too - that he had no guilt...I certainly didn't when I had a fling during my divorce from ex...no guilt - I was being true to ME, and at that point, that was all that mattered.

Even this foray I'm having now, husband knows all about it and while he's still stuck on the 'but what if you leave me' train track once in a while, I spend a LOT of time reassuring him that that is the FURTHEST thing from my mind. I just want some serious fucking while I'm young enough to appreciate it.

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

That's good...at least you have a 'end date' and hopefully they'll have the life experience themselves at that point to be fair with you.

I think they'll understand it. They see a lot of the tension and frustration in the house, as they mature, I think it will start making sense why it's happening.

I'll drop some in the mail for you tomorrow...

Thank you, I'll pay for the rush delivery.

Sorry if that comes across as demeaning your religious belief...I'm just so over people using god and religion as manipulation. I'm Wiccan and my gods don't pull that kind of crap on us.

No offense taken. I don't think God cares so much about some things as much as the people within the churches do.

would you have another? TT also said that too - that he had no guilt...I certainly didn't when I had a fling during my divorce from ex...no guilt - I was being true to ME, and at that point, that was all that mattered.

Absolutely. It's been 2 years since I've seen my wife naked and I can tell you when which child was conceived. It's never been a rewarding sex life, and I have so much I want to experience while I can.

Even this foray I'm having now, husband knows all about it and while he's still stuck on the 'but what if you leave me' train track once in a while, I spend a LOT of time reassuring him that that is the FURTHEST thing from my mind. I just want some serious fucking while I'm young enough to appreciate it.

If I ever get into a permanent or semi-permanent relationship again, it will be someone who shares my opinions on many things, sex being one of them. It will either be CNM or playing with others, together.

Your situation and words are reassuring, so thank you. It's nice to hear it sometimes works out for others.

 

[TemptationTango]

Just wanted to thank you for posting. I'm in a similar position, and this gives me some hope. I wish you and your FWB much happiness - and some truly epic, mind blowing sex.

For guys it's hard. Let's say your S/O agrees to let you play. Instantly you merge into a migration of thousands of men looking for the same thing. I was frustrated for years.....at least 10. I thought that mentally I could handle it, but, just like substance abuse, I guess I had to hit rock bottom before I changed the way I think, & the way I looked at my relationship.

Just spit balling here:
Something has to change.....maybe a SexlessTinder type website. Not a dating sight, a hook up site for all of us forlorn creatures. Maybe a sub-site of a Swingers group....many of them are looking for mature men to share their wives or women for their husbands....a perfect solution.

Maybe a whole section here on Lit for 'us' with resources......where we post our story, we add in our location which takes a lot of the unknown out. Theoretically, a man, or a woman could have several FWB's if they were lucky enough to be near each other.

As for "epic, mind blowing sex" ....it was for both of us. It was not awkward at all, which surprised me. Butterfly's had to be subdued, but that was ok. It left me feeling like a man again, I had no idea before this that I looked at myself as less than. "Sexual depression" is a sneaky bastard, looking back I was compensating by making excuses for things that made me feel like shit....no more.

Damn, maybe we should have a flag, a designated holiday and a parade.....lol.

 

[TemptationTango]

Hi DD. I dunno if you're such an anomaly. As my drive has dropped, my wife's has at least stayed the same, if not increased.

Would you give her a Hall Pass?

 

[Tweedledude]

I can only speak for myself, but it sure wasn’t like this when we were dating and in the earlier part of marriage. Especially when pregnant, my wife was horny all the time. Over time the frequency and the desire to be creative has dried up.

I used to carry a blanket in my work vehicle because my wife would meet me for lunch and sex. That blanket is long gone now.

Another time on vacation we were in the ocean just off of the beach and things turned to sex. This was during the day with people on the beach, including my in-laws.

Nothing exciting would ever happen now. I have even been told that at our age it is not important anymore. Maybe they think since they have a ring on the finger with years of marriage under the belt they have us stuck.

I guess my interest in sex just has not regressed. Hence the reason I am here. To get a little erotic stimulation to keep the urges in check.

Ya sure feel like stuck at times.

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

I see SO many comments from husbands who are in a sexless (or nearly sexless) marriage and the most referenced problems are:
1. Wife refuses to give oral sex. She thinks it’s disgusting.
2. She never initiates sex and maybe tolerates it once or twice a month in Missionary only.
3. She won’t touch me at all and has no interest in sex.

I haven't even seen my wife naked in over 2 years. At this point, I'm so resentful I don't want anything to do with physical intimacy with her.

MY question is: When you were dating…..was she REFUSING to have creative sex, frequent sex, or showing signs of being ‘grossed out’ by the whole idea of Oral Sex?????

If so….. WHY did you propose marriage to her???? RUN FORREST, RUN!!!!!

Religious background, so there was no sexual activity before marriage, so I had no idea. We'd talked about sexual things, but everyone thinks they're a horny sex maniac at 20, until they realize they aren't.

 

[Tweedledude]

I wish that all couples could have this conversation...an open, honest covo: as in, "I'm not into sex anymore but honey, since your sex drive is still high...go for it. Be smart, be safe and have a good time" Male or female partner, married or just together and HEAR each other. Set up parameters, 'rules' if you will..that will allow for one person to still find fulfillment that the other doesn't need/want.

Personally speaking, I grew up Catholic and until a few years ago..I couldn't separate the whole 'sex only happens with someone you love and are committed (ie, married to)' concept I was forced to believe as a child/young adult. It hit me as only an EPIPHANY can...that it's simple to just keep the two separate.

Sex DOES NOT equal love - the caveat for me though is there needs to be a relationship/friendship happening...as in, "I care if you get injured, something happens in your life that hurts you"....but what happens to YOU in YOUR life with your WIFE/family/friends is a minor facet of the friendship, and only if YOU choose to tell me.

"Hey lover, (wife and I) played a mean game of Farkle with our neighborhood group last night and I kicked ass"...is interesting...

But I'd rather hear that you thought about ME all day (even while you were playing cards and trying to concentrate enough to win) and ended up in the neighbor's bathroom, your dick so hard you couldn't stand up straight, stroking yourself, aching for me, kneeling there in front of you, mouth on your cock sucking you into oblivion.

To me, that's the difference. That's attraction/desire/need...not love. Love is for your primary relationship, not your FWB and if the whole world could grasp that concept, we'd be a much happier bunch. It seems the French have it down pat - the wife/partner/mother of your children/woman you love and will spend the rest of your life with....

And the woman who rocks your world sexually...and you hers.

I've been thinking about this and yes yes yes but to find a person that can have this kind of conversation.... Well most counselors, shrinks sex and life coaches agree that this is the way we should be able to communicate but these types i think are a rarity very rare..
Quoting from one such source:
You both must feel comfortable exchanging your thoughts and feelings without fear of criticism, feeling inferior, or being smothered.
Show affection. We all need to feel loved, cherished, needed, and wanted. Physical embraces, hugging, kissing, holding hands, caring for each other, and seeing to each other’s needs can help spouses show and feel affection that is crucial for married couples.
Remember that you are each other’s therapists. No counselor or outsider knows the two of you better than the two of you do! You know each other’s likes and dislikes and strengths and weaknesses. A good therapist listens attentively; provides new perspectives on situations; compliments on progress; is patient, kind, and nonjudgmental; and helps us think things through in ways that allow a better solution. Superficiality dooms relationships because such a shallow level of communication does not create positive emotions and feelings between spouses.

Enrich your intimacy.
It is essential in a stressful world that the two of you enjoy your physical and emotional relationship. Intimacy is not to be abused. This is your spouse, companion, confidant, lover, and therapist all rolled into one, and you two should enjoy the privilege of sharing your masculine and feminine traits in a wholesome way. Of course, the relationship must be healthy if this part of the marriage is to be cherished. Intimacy should not be used as a punishment or a weapon to hurt the other spouse or reward “good behavior.”

A happy marriage is not so much a matter of romance as it is an anxious concern for the comfort and well-being of one’s companion.” If you want a happy marriage, do what happily married couples do.

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I read to much... Lol

 

[MrGoatee]

Talking happens but sometimes you can't get around pain and nature

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

You both must feel comfortable exchanging your thoughts and feelings without fear of criticism, feeling inferior, or being smothered.

Yes, open and honest communication, but that's rarely possible, in my experience.

Show affection. We all need to feel loved, cherished, needed, and wanted. Physical embraces, hugging, kissing, holding hands, caring for each other, and seeing to each other’s needs can help spouses show and feel affection that is crucial for married couples.

This sounds great, unless one or both of the partners aren't neurotypical. Then this all goes out the window.

Remember that you are each other’s therapists.

No. Definitely not. Sometimes, but not routinely. Confidant? Yes. Advisor? Yes. Therapist? No.

No counselor or outsider knows the two of you better than the two of you do! You know each other’s likes and dislikes and strengths and weaknesses. A good therapist listens attentively; provides new perspectives on situations; compliments on progress; is patient, kind, and nonjudgmental; and helps us think things through in ways that allow a better solution. Superficiality dooms relationships because such a shallow level of communication does not create positive emotions and feelings between spouses.

Enrich your intimacy.
It is essential in a stressful world that the two of you enjoy your physical and emotional relationship. Intimacy is not to be abused. This is your spouse, companion, confidant, lover, and therapist all rolled into one, and you two should enjoy the privilege of sharing your masculine and feminine traits in a wholesome way. Of course, the relationship must be healthy if this part of the marriage is to be cherished. Intimacy should not be used as a punishment or a weapon to hurt the other spouse or reward “good behavior.”

A happy marriage is not so much a matter of romance as it is an anxious concern for the comfort and well-being of one’s companion.” If you want a happy marriage, do what happily married couples do.

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I read to much... Lol

There is a lot of truth above, and it's wonderfully idealistic, but the practical execution is rare, again - in my opinion.

 

[Olderwiserstillhorny]

Yeah, with health issues on her part, a sexless relationship is sometimes not easy. Makes it hard, especially living in a small town. To set and admire all the local ladies isn't helpful. Thoughts of an affair or a one nighter runs in your mind, but also guilt. What to do?

 

[Tweedledude]

Yes, open and honest communication, but that's rarely possible, in my experience.


This sounds great, unless one or both of the partners aren't neurotypical. Then this all goes out the window.


No. Definitely not. Sometimes, but not routinely. Confidant? Yes. Advisor? Yes. Therapist? No.

There is a lot of truth above, and it's wonderfully idealistic, but the practical execution is rare, again - in my opinion.

Oh i agree with you and knowing what i know now i tell my grandkids "if you think your sweetheart will change their attitude after marriage i advise you to get in your car and never go back"..... If two people can't have this type of conversation before agreements are made run for the hills

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

Oh i agree with you and knowing what i know now i tell my grandkids "if you think your sweetheart will change their attitude after marriage i advise you to get in your car and never go back"..... If two people can't have this type of conversation before agreements are made run for the hills

And, for the love of all that's holy, don't get married young. There's nothing wrong with a long engagement, but I think most people don't really know who they are themselves until they're mid to late 20s, or even later.

 

[MsSuckMyLollipop]

I've been thinking about this and yes yes yes but to find a person that can have this kind of conversation....

It is....I agree it takes a mature couple to have this discussion. My discussion with the husband has taken place over TWO YEARS...two years of 'what about this' 'what about that' 'how do you feel about this'...I was just sharing with another Litster one thing I did that was WRONG and I'd go back and change it if I could...Essentially I gave husband the power to veto something he wasn't comfortable with. Which has led to MANY disagreements...on his part only.

I'm chill with whatever he chooses to do...if it's something that bothers me...I'll bring it up peacefully...and then HE argues...but....I can't control that.

Basically, it's come down to that word alone...control...HE wants control and I refuse to concede it....but I'm not straying from the agreed upon path so he can sit back and be as upset as he wants to be.

We've revisited HIS rules as he decides that he wants to do something that 'we' agreed was a 'no'.....and since I never felt it was necessary anyway, I'm cool with dropping it.

It's an on-going process and who knows where we will end up - but I won't be living the rest of my life without fucking someone and being fucked by someone of my choice.

 

[MischiefMakerAlways]

It's an on-going process and who knows where we will end up - but I won't be living the rest of my life without fucking someone and being fucked by someone of my choice.

I envy your confidence and grit. I take inspiration from this, thank you.

 

[Tweedledude]

https://forum.literotica.com/members/mssuckmylollipop.6520710/


Your struggle feels real familiar. I didn't realize to after the "I do's" just how narrow her views on intimacy were. Counseling basically said she is asexual so i am left with that. We wanted kids so that motivated sex but sex for pleasure or having that feeling that "I'm the guy" that really hasn't materialized.

So into the gym daily and books and my interests I've dealt with the abundant testosterone driven person i am through distraction and putting myself into other things. It really sucks.... And not in a good way (humor)
I feel your pain and need to say just how sorry i am for you...... The denial the name calling it all just wears a person down.

 

[Tweedledude]

And, for the love of all that's holy, don't get married young. There's nothing wrong with a long engagement, but I think most people don't really know who they are themselves until they're mid to late 20s, or even later.

Absolutely agree. Dam we all should go on the speaking circuit. Churches, Civic orgs, colleges..... Convince people to pull their heads out and think.

 

[elizaloo]

Absolutely agree. Dam we all should go on the speaking circuit. Churches, Civic orgs, colleges..... Convince people to pull their heads out and think.

I’m in!!!

‘Fuck your way through your 20’s (safely) and leave marriage until you have a career, bank account, house and at least 20 lovers under your belt!’

Or you’ll end up like us; regretful, disappointed, sorely sorry and looking for some side fucking.

 

[Tweedledude]

I’m in!!!

‘Fuck your way through your 20’s (safely) and leave marriage until you have a career, bank account, house and at least 20 lovers under your belt!’

Or you’ll end up like us; regretful, disappointed, sorely sorry and looking for some side fucking.

I've chewed my fingernails off up to the second knuckle from frustration. Makes it difficult to eat Ice cream (laughing at self)


I can see us after a speaking engagement running in terror from the hordes with pitchforks and burning torches. Oh gadfry I'm busting a gut laughing at self

 

[frankl01]

Would you give her a Hall Pass?

Not necessarily a carte blanche pass, but if something happened spontaneously, I would let her if it would make her happy.