Stories you hate.

[gordo12]

Apologies, I must've misremembered. It's been stupid hot here (45C/113F yesterday) and my concentration is shot.

No apology necessary it wasn't your mistake.

Wicked! Move to Canada, we don't allow the weather to behave like that.

That does sound like mis-classification. Do you know for sure that the author put it there on purpose, though?

Sorry, should have included hypothetical. I tried to think of something so far out of normal nobody could mistake it.

But stories that are just as bad. Yeah, plenty of them over almost twenty years here.

 

[yukonnights]

Sadly all too many new authors make no attempt to study the category system. They just see Loving Wives and in goes their trash. Nothing to do with the category.

There should be a test...

To be honest, I'm not sure how a new author would study the category system To read enough to gain any real insight, they would need quite an apprenticeship before submitting that first story. There's "old authors" here who probably couldn't pass that final exam.

In regard to Loving Wives; what is the definition of that in terms of erotica? I didn't see it on the submissions page? I'm assuming, a loving wife is typically seen as one who cares for her husband, maybe she works a job and also helps keep up with the house and kids needs. She never cheats or does something that might bring harm to her family. She makes love to her husband and maybe they explore a few kinks in private. Provided the husband is a Loving Husband, they are all very happy together.

Odd as it may seem, there seems to be a majority of stories in the LW category that would be much more suited to the Slut Wife category.

I'm also wondering what's the definition of "trash". Did I miss a Sticky or a part of the submission guidelines?

The main problem I see are hyper sensitive readers who can't stop themselves from lashing out at an author because they can...that's a personality defect in my opinion.

 

[Eli_Dreams]

Rape. Especially when it sneaks up anywhere outside of the non-con category.
Double hate goes to the authors that don't recognize it as such. Somebody would point it out in the comments and the author would come back guns blazing, trying to explain why it was not a rape. Well, for me it was. For the person that left the comment it was. It does not really matter what you MEANT to say, all that matters is what you actually SAID.

Not safe behavior in realistically written stories. Especially if it is even remotely a BDSM setup. If it is a total fantasy world - fine, sure, go for total loss of control in a remote location with a total stranger. Why not? But if you take time to make your charecters and their world look and feel realistic, then make sure the regular safety rules are observed. Or at least mention in the preface that doing this and that is a very bad idea. Otherwise I get nervures thinking that you really believe this is OK.


There are quite a few fetishes that I don't like. These can show up in any category, but I don't hate reading about them because I just don't do it - as soon as I can guess what is coming, I am out of there.

 

[gordo12]

In regard to Loving Wives; what is the definition of that in terms of erotica? I didn't see it on the submissions page? I'm assuming, a loving wife is typically seen as one who cares for her husband, maybe she works a job and also helps keep up with the house and kids needs. She never cheats or does something that might bring harm to her family. She makes love to her husband and maybe they explore a few kinks in private. Provided the husband is a Loving Husband, they are all very happy together.

Odd as it may seem, there seems to be a majority of stories in the LW category that would be much more suited to the Slut Wife category.

I'm also wondering what's the definition of "trash". Did I miss a Sticky or a part of the submission guidelines?

The main problem I see are hyper sensitive readers who can't stop themselves from lashing out at an author because they can...that's a personality defect in my opinion.

Well there you go. You just failed the test.

LW = Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more

Thus the slut wives.
Thus the authors that put I love you so much stories just like you described and get roasted. New authors and authors that like to troll.

Here use this page and scroll down to 'Stories by Category'. Category descriptions are included.
https://www.literotica.com/stories/

 

[yukonnights]

Well there you go. You just failed the test.

LW = Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more

Thus the slut wives.
Thus the authors that put I love you so much stories just like you described and get roasted. New authors and authors that like to troll.

Here use this page and scroll down to 'Stories by Category'. Category descriptions are included.
https://www.literotica.com/stories/

I was being sardonic. If you look at my stories you'll see the first one I ever posted was in LW. Being here this long, I'm very familiar with the category. The point is (was), a new writer is most likely not aware that it's not just any flavor of "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more" that can be posted there...oh no, it has to be only what a certain element of reader thinks should be there. The word 'gang' comes to mind. And this gang, as most experienced writers know, makes it their job to police "their" category and do their worst in attacking any story that doesn't fit into their narrowly "self defined" approval.

The Category blurb says; swinging, sharing and more. Tell me; Is a cuckold sharing his wife? Does a mmf threesome fit into the "more" description? I would say yes, but alas...many of the readers there do not and take it upon themselves to react in an immature manner. Perhaps it is they who need to read the category blurbs...or simply ignore those loving wives who do things they don't approve of?

This can be applied to every category. BDSM, anything goes except; "I Don't Like Nipple Clamps...that's a 1 vote from me! why dont youLeern to right!!!"

It's the internet and children will be children when they know nobody is watching. It seems you want to blame the author instead of the children...which brings us full circle back to "hating" stories...or even being stressed enough to complain about "disliking" a story. The take away here is; just back out and find one that works for you...it's so much easier than letting it effect one's blood pressure...or go one step further and read through it and try to spread a little love ~

 

[gordo12]

I was being sardonic. If you look at my stories you'll see the first one I ever posted was in LW. Being here this long, I'm very familiar with the category. The point is (was), a new writer is most likely not aware that it's not just any flavor of "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more" that can be posted there...oh no, it has to be only what a certain element of reader thinks should be there. The word 'gang' comes to mind. And this gang, as most experienced writers know, makes it their job to police "their" category and do their worst in attacking any story that doesn't fit into their narrowly "self defined" approval.

The Category blurb says; swinging, sharing and more. Tell me; Is a cuckold sharing his wife? Does a mmf threesome fit into the "more" description? I would say yes, but alas...many of the readers there do not and take it upon themselves to react in an immature manner. Perhaps it is they who need to read the category blurbs...or simply ignore those loving wives who do things they don't approve of?

This can be applied to every category. BDSM, anything goes except; "I Don't Like Nipple Clamps...that's a 1 vote from me! why dont youLeern to right!!!"

It's the internet and children will be children when they know nobody is watching. It seems you want to blame the author instead of the children...which brings us full circle back to "hating" stories...or even being stressed enough to complain about "disliking" a story. The take away here is; just back out and find one that works for you...it's so much easier than letting it effect one's blood pressure...or go one step further and read through it and try to spread a little love ~

Silly me, I took your post at face value. Won't make that mistake again

I've never read any of your stories as your link is LGBT

So I clicked on your 'fetish' story and learned something. Your opening was great but the big takeaway was putting the tags right up front to inform the reader. A couple tags said stay away and when I started reading I had to back out.

I didn't finish or rate the story, but because I was warned up front, I have no problem with the story. I would move on.

Maybe we should shift the discussion from a "I hate this story" to a discussion of where these stories come from. Many are new authors and when they go to submit there are category labels, but no description whatsoever. So they write a story about having loving sex with their wife last night and see a submission for loving wives. Bingo. One horribly singed author.

The tags up front are an important issue that has also been complained about and nothing done about it.

Frankly I think it's deliberate. The LW section is a war zone because of it. I think the site likes that because it draws in readers who gang up as you mentioned for their own pet peeve.

So tags up front and category descriptions on the submit button would end a lot of the hostility toward the stories.

My bet is those changes will never be made!

 

[yukonnights]

Silly me, I took your post at face value. Won't make that mistake again

I've never read any of your stories as your link is LGBT

So I clicked on your 'fetish' story and learned something. Your opening was great but the big takeaway was putting the tags right up front to inform the reader. A couple tags said stay away and when I started reading I had to back out.

I didn't finish or rate the story, but because I was warned up front, I have no problem with the story. I would move on.

Maybe we should shift the discussion from a "I hate this story" to a discussion of where these stories come from. Many are new authors and when they go to submit there are category labels, but no description whatsoever. So they write a story about having loving sex with their wife last night and see a submission for loving wives. Bingo. One horribly singed author.

The tags up front are an important issue that has also been complained about and nothing done about it.

Frankly I think it's deliberate. The LW section is a war zone because of it. I think the site likes that because it draws in readers who gang up as you mentioned for their own pet peeve.

So tags up front and category descriptions on the submit button would end a lot of the hostility toward the stories.

My bet is those changes will never be made!

I think we're starting to come together on what I've been trying to say; Many authors who post on Lit never make it over to the discussion threads where the nuances of how Lit "works" are discussed by those with years of experience here. That's what I think many people in this discussion have been trying to highlight in their points about not hating a story, etc. Some of the nuances are really not all that clear. The LW category and it's description blurb is a perfect example of that. I think it's a rare instance when a story is placed in a category for malicious reasons...and lack of knowledge/understanding should be gently helped not hated. An author's use of tags at the beginning of the story is a perfect example of that learning curve...it's so easy to do that one really shouldn't get flummoxed that the website hasn't done it it yet.

If I may; I would suggest you challenge yourself to not let your own personal fetishes narrow your reading. The current Valentine contest is a way to jump into a story without knowing much about it and I've been doing that. There's a lot of subjects that don't fire my personal buttons...and quite a few that I just don't get at all. But, if you read in order to pay attention to how it is crafted, I think you'll overcome the hatred/disgust/lack of interest and even glean something to apply to your own efforts.

To sum it up, it seems to me that "hatred" in general (or even a passionate dislike) has more to do with me than the thing/person I "hate". The world is a multi-layered sculpture of diversity...instead of being a "hater" of that diversity, I prefer to be an observer of it. The payoff in that is simple; When I "hate" a story, that hatred affects only my happiness...and the author goes merrily on his/her way. (The one part of that larger "sculpture" I mentioned that does disrupt me though, are those who hate anything and anyone they don't understand or have a personal like for...but I'm working on myself about that too

 

[Hypoxia]

I rarely bother to hate a story. If it annoys me, I exit and read something else.

Walls of text, fat data dumps, inane setups, and absurd anatomies annoy me except in parody. Shitty orthography annoys me. References to pop-culture crap mostly annoys me. Texting annoys me. Sincere obvious bullshit annoys me.

I try not to annoy myself with cleverness. I probably annoy others. Such is life.

 

[greyraven00]

One dislike I have of stories (that is more typical of male authors) that concentrated on numbers - dick size, tit size, etc. If it is repeatedly mentioned in a story, it's usually a story that does nothing for me.

One dislike more typical of female authors is when they try to distance themselves in the story. If there was such a thing as 4th person, they would be writing in that. Some dialogue at all - even internal dialogue - is sadly lacking.

 

[SimonDoom]

If I may; I would suggest you challenge yourself to not let your own personal fetishes narrow your reading. The current Valentine contest is a way to jump into a story without knowing much about it and I've been doing that. There's a lot of subjects that don't fire my personal buttons...and quite a few that I just don't get at all. But, if you read in order to pay attention to how it is crafted, I think you'll overcome the hatred/disgust/lack of interest and even glean something to apply to your own efforts.

To sum it up, it seems to me that "hatred" in general (or even a passionate dislike) has more to do with me than the thing/person I "hate". The world is a multi-layered sculpture of diversity...instead of being a "hater" of that diversity, I prefer to be an observer of it. The payoff in that is simple; When I "hate" a story, that hatred affects only my happiness...and the author goes merrily on his/her way. (The one part of that larger "sculpture" I mentioned that does disrupt me though, are those who hate anything and anyone they don't understand or have a personal like for...but I'm working on myself about that too

Wise words. It's possible to enjoy a story that falls outside your usual kink range. It's a different kind of pleasure.

Talking about what stories one "hates" reveals little about the stories but something about oneself. There are subjects that don't interest me much, and there are stories written so inexpertly they make me cringe, but I can't get worked up into hating them. Better just to move on and let others enjoy different things without introducing hate into the discussion.

 

[ericahope]

What story genres do I hate? Hate's a strong word. How about "What story genres/plot lines do I stay away from?"*

Incest - While I've read a few that are erotic, 99% are plain awful, particularly ones involving a parent and son/daughter. There's nothing sexy at all about a parent abusing the trust of a son or daughter.

Non-consent - I don't find anything the least bit sexy about sexual assault. I wonder about people who do or think that other people want to be forced into sex.

Stories about unfaithfulness - I think good stories can involve cheating on one's partner, but they rarely do.

*I think some commenters are missing the intent of the original question. The question was about story genres, not about examples of poor writing that one dislikes. No one likes walls of text with no dialogue and loads of typos.

Erica

 

[SimonDoom]

The question was about story genres, not about examples of poor writing that one dislikes. No one likes walls of text with no dialogue and loads of typos.

Erica

I understood this to be what the OP was getting at, but I still find the question odd. I must be somewhat unusual, but I don't hate any genre. There are certain things I don't care for, but I have no trouble imagining how or why others like them. Your description of incest, for example , shows you are looking at the category with a prejudiced eye that ignores what the stories are about. Mom-son stories, for example, which I write, have nothing to do with abuse. They are between consenting adults and the biggest audience for them is men who fantasize about their moms (or mythical moms, at least). It's Oedipal, and it's based on something that's been turning people on since stories started getting written thousands of years ago. Nonconsent is a no-brainer. Surrender and submission are compelling fantasies for people.

Pushing against the boundaries of what society regards as sexually acceptable is an age-old staple of what people think is erotic. The funny thing to me is that we accept this with the kinks we like and can't understand it about the kinks we don't. It's all the same thing.

 

[KeithD]

I think if you come here with the attitude of letting others enjoy whatever the Web site permits as long as you are not hassled about what you enjoy writing and/or reading here within the bounds of what the Web site permits, you're part of the community here. If not, you're not "getting" it here. And if you are getting it here, I don't think you deal in the sort of question posed by this thread.

 

[c137_ricksanchez]

I do like incest stories but it doesn't appeal to me in real life. I think there may be a part of the brain that makes it a turn off to prevent inbreeding. I think it started when I started thinking about having sex with a girl and well two is better than one so why not the sister as well.

I don't know why I like or dislike things, I just do.

As for stories I hate:
- Bimbo transformation stories
- nonconsent stories where the woman openly hates it, if they end up liking it then I find that okay
- anything to do with scat or pee
- anything to do with food
- heavy bondage

 

[Madelyne13]

If I'm reading your post correctly, I think you misunderstood me. My definition of a category hopper is someone who (hypothetically) posts let's say an openly gay male story in say Romance instead of GM.

Some are trolls and some are authors looking to attract the odd person not offended by the content.

That kind of behaviour pisses me off. The site has a structure and if the authors can't be bothered to respect it why should the readers respect the authors in their comments. It's bad behaviour and it generates more bad behaviour.

I get that categorization isn't always an exact science, but some authors deliberately ignore them.

An author that takes story writing challenges in different categories is just fine. I have stories in LW and Sci Fi myself.

Categorisation is more difficult than it might seem. A romance with two male or two female protagonists is still a romance. If we remain open to possibilities rather than closed due to our own personal preferences we can play our part in creating a more inclusive world.

 

[Madelyne13]

I rarely bother to hate a story. If it annoys me, I exit and read something else.

Walls of text, fat data dumps, inane setups, and absurd anatomies annoy me except in parody. Shitty orthography annoys me. References to pop-culture crap mostly annoys me. Texting annoys me. Sincere obvious bullshit annoys me.

I try not to annoy myself with cleverness. I probably annoy others. Such is life.

Walls of text
and fat data dumps
Absurd anatomies with strange lumps
Pop culture crap, bullshit takes wing
Just some of my least favourite things

Thank you Hypoxia the thought of you unable to resist poking yourself with cleverness made me smile

 

[Hypoxia]

I try not to annoy myself with cleverness. I probably annoy others. Such is life.

Thank you Hypoxia the thought of you unable to resist poking yourself with cleverness made me smile

If I'm so clever, why ain't I infamous? Or am I? I'm almost afraid to look. [/me peeks] Nope, not yet.

 

[Encased]

I actually really like authors that include very specific numbers about their characters. Means I can instantly skip through that story because its just "I'm a red blooded 'murican and I can't be blamed for banging that!" i.e. a more elaborate version of ...and then we had sex and it was good and we are now regular sex havers, buuut I will maybe steal a few ideas for some of my own drafts.
Not stories, drafts. I may have a problem. or 40. :S

About unfinished series: Hey. I know. I have my own couple where I really wish the author would finish them.
It's not that I don't want to finish it. It's that I wrote myself in to a corner and don't know how to continue in a way that satisfies me because the story itself either has a Mary Sue problem that I set up at the beginning or another similar architectural problem that I don't know how to unstick the narrative from.
There is no conflict or things in motion anymore. Know what I mean?
One of the big tricks of thriller writers is to switch perspective of characters to another char that is elsewhere, allowing both for cliffhangers and timeskips that keep the pace ... up...
huh.
hmmmmmm....
Coming here was a good thing. I think I just "unstuck" a plot.
anyway, switching characters is a good trick to keep the pacing as it allows you to skip vast stretches of boring stuff like chores where nothing actually happens that is boring to read and boring to write.

Breaking the mold of a first person perspective story to a third person perspective of another character can be something that takes time to figure out and may call for a lot of writing from a perspective that one might not be familiar with and that may not be up to a writers own standards for their other writing. In my case, a switch in perspective would require huge chunks of world building that I haven't done yet and initially didn't want to do and I'm not sure I can hit a quality level I'm okay with.

 

[PBAnnie]

The stories I dislike most are those with poor spellchecking. For many of these it would have been better if they didn't use an automatic spellchecker at all, at least then we'd know the author couldn't spell, but when they select the wrong word it can make everything worse.

This first got to me fifteen or sixteen years ago when the story I was reading had the ubiquitous character description in too much detail (because we readers lack imagination):

"...she had blond hair that hung past her shoulders, really big boobs and a little waste."

"Waste" was spelled correctly but I assume the writer meant "waist." I couldn't read any more of the story after that. I could just imagine the awkwardness of the first sex scene...

"...so I grabbed her waste and squeezed it and licked it..."


More recently there was an Erotic Horror story involving zombies that the soon-to-be-copulating couple are fighting. The story includes the following line:

"He ducked just in time and rolled out of the way of the flying fist of the zombie perusing him."

Here I assume "perusing" was supposed to be "pursuing," but you never know. The premise of that short story was good, but the execution was a bit lacking. A decent editor could have given it some well-needed polish, which would probably have resulted in a much higher rating than what it currently has.

Anyway, that's my pet peeve with stories on Lit, incorrect word usage.

 

[jbgarcon]

The stories I dislike most are those with poor spellchecking. For many of these it would have been better if they didn't use an automatic spellchecker at all, at least then we'd know the author couldn't spell, but when they select the wrong word it can make everything worse.

This first got to me fifteen or sixteen years ago when the story I was reading had the ubiquitous character description in too much detail (because we readers lack imagination):

"...she had blond hair that hung past her shoulders, really big boobs and a little waste."

"Waste" was spelled correctly but I assume the writer meant "waist." I couldn't read any more of the story after that. I could just imagine the awkwardness of the first sex scene...

"...so I grabbed her waste and squeezed it and licked it..."


More recently there was an Erotic Horror story involving zombies that the soon-to-be-copulating couple are fighting. The story includes the following line:

"He ducked just in time and rolled out of the way of the flying fist of the zombie perusing him."

Here I assume "perusing" was supposed to be "pursuing," but you never know. The premise of that short story was good, but the execution was a bit lacking. A decent editor could have given it some well-needed polish, which would probably have resulted in a much higher rating than what it currently has.

Anyway, that's my pet peeve with stories on Lit, incorrect word usage.

As a recent first time author of a story, I respect what you are saying PBAnnie, and it just brought home to me that I need to have an editor review before submission.

In my case, I appreciated the constructive criticism pointing out my malaprops including the use of waste instead of waist.

But to see a comment asking if I finished high-school English because I "mispelled" simple words when in reality they were the incorrect word, that sounded similar to the intended word (a malaprop) is a little insulting and not constructive. It also doesn't encourage someone to write & submit more.

I confess that I have always had a hard time spelling words. And now at 60, trying to learn French. HA! I know I will work harder to ensure that my next story is cleaner than my first submission.

I understand and respect your pet peeve and will work harder next time.

 

[KeithD]

Here I assume "perusing" was supposed to be "pursuing," but you never know. The premise of that short story was good, but the execution was a bit lacking. A decent editor could have given it some well-needed polish, which would probably have resulted in a much higher rating than what it currently has.

Depends on how many times this happens in a story. Once? Twice? That sort of misspelling can get through several independent edits a couple of times in a work. And the more an editor has to contend with in that work--the more problems fixed before the reader sees it--the more other issues will remain in the final work.

No one is "prefect." No publication process is either. Neither are readers.

I might add that I find having a thread "stories you hate" being fed on the Lit. discussion board very distasteful. I suggest concentrating on what you like here--there's a whole lot to choose from--and mind your own business on what others are reading/liking. (This is a comment to the thread, not to PBAnnie.)

 

[gordo12]

But to see a comment asking if I finished high-school English because I "mispelled" simple words when in reality they were the incorrect word, that sounded similar to the intended word (a malaprop) is a little insulting and not constructive. It also doesn't encourage someone to write & submit more.

I confess that I have always had a hard time spelling words.

Props for trying to learn french @ 60. I don't think I would attempt it now. I hated it in school, and reading a cereal box is good enough for me.

I'd have a hard time calling waste vs waist a malaprop. If it happens once in a story, yes. But if it's throughout the story, it's one of the biggest mistakes you see in Lit.

Homophones: Waste vs Waist; Too, to, two; for, four, fore; your, you're, yore; sight, site. All these and many more are pervasive and, as I said, one of the biggest mistakes you see authors making. There are lists online and well worth learning.

 

[SimonDoom]

I might add that I find having a thread "stories you hate" being fed on the Lit. discussion board very distasteful.

I tend to agree, when it's phrased this way. I don't "hate" any type of story. I don't begrudge others enjoying whatever they enjoy reading.

I think it's perfectly legitimate at an erotic story forum like this one to analyze why we are attracted to certain kinds of stories and not others. For instance, I'm constantly puzzled by the appeal of the "BTB" type stories -- why so many readers are attracted to stories where cheating women get punished. They don't seem at all erotic to me, and reading erotic stories seems to me what this Site is all about. At the end of the day, though, it's just a fact that some people like them, even though I don't. My opinion is just my opinion. There's no right or wrong. I don't want to project "hatred" toward other readers and the stories they like to read.

 

[Oatmeal1969]

I'm not keen on BTB stories. Some of them may be well written but they are not erotic. It's like reading about someone getting very specific and perfectly planned revenge on the person that stole their favorite toy in kindergarten.

I save my hate for the obnoxious and demoralizing knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers in the comment section. They're wasting everyone's time and ruining a good site.

 

[MohanSingh]

I don't mind any story as long as it is well written and has good character build up and explanation. I hate the now sex happens without build up or tension.