Submissive vs. Slave

[Etoile]

It was said in jest, as used in her Lit ID, don't get your panties in a bunch, relax, breathe, breathe.................

Hey, I said it made me twitch, I didn't say it made me get my panties in a bunch! But like I said, it's an immature and/or offensive word, and I didn't want to see it used frequently around here or anything.

I am a dyke, a queer, a homo, a lesbian, even a lesbo. But I am not a lez. *wrinkles nose*

Then again, maybe I'm just old, and what used to be an epithet is all the rage now. Heaven knows I don't hang out at queer clubs anymore. Cuz I'm so old, yanno.

 

[Caitlynne]

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I had one of those gut - hey those are my people you're talking about! Not only, of course. We tell the story every year though, so I do feel a connection in a strange way. Also, the jewish renewal movement has this message that we as Jews should think about all people who are opressed. I just don't see anything beautiful about slavery that is not freely given.

Except I was never talking about *your* people, and I find the conversational bent this is taking to be twisting my words to fit your reactions. Had you read my comments as they were written, you might not have had such a visceral reaction to them. I understand why this has happened, but before my original comments get taken way out of context, let's just review them shall we?

I originally said:

I've used the analogy of the servants of the Egyptian royalty. The kind of devotion that would have sealed me into a tomb along with my Master after he died.

You'll note I never even used the word slave in connection to the Egyptians and I certainly never mentioned the enslavement of the Hebrews in Egypt. I in fact was pretty specific about what kind of person I was talking about. I said 'servants of the Egyptian royalty', and then I went on to talk about the devotion which was my original point. In the case of the royal servants, such a position was a honor, much the same as ladies in waiting were for English or French royalty.

I'm sorry this triggered something so profound in you, but I didn't casually talk about slavery in a historical context. I used a specific example of royal servants and how the royal household served in death as well as life. I used that specific example because it was such an extreme example of devotion. That might be some sort of cue to you to denigrate such service and label it unhealthy, but that's your own intolerance showing, not mine.

In any event, the insensitivity you *think* I was exhibiting wasn't there. I can see this triggered a hot topic for you and again I apologize, and I will be more careful of your sensibilities in the future. But, I think it's unfair of you to characterize my comments as anything other than exactly what they were. How you got form servants to the Egyptian royals to the captivity of the Hebrews is, well, it's a stretch.

 

[intothewoods]

Except I was never talking about *your* people, and I find the conversational bent this is taking to be twisting my words to fit your reactions. Had you read my comments as they were written, you might not have had such a visceral reaction to them. I understand why this has happened, but before my original comments get taken way out of context, let's just review them shall we?

I originally said:



You'll note I never even used the word slave in connection to the Egyptians and I certainly never mentioned the enslavement of the Hebrews in Egypt. I in fact was pretty specific about what kind of person I was talking about. I said 'servants of the Egyptian royalty', and then I went on to talk about the devotion which was my original point. In the case of the royal servants, such a position was a honor, much the same as ladies in waiting were for English or French royalty.

I'm sorry this triggered something so profound in you, but I didn't casually talk about slavery in a historical context. I used a specific example of royal servants and how the royal household served in death as well as life. I used that specific example because it was such an extreme example of devotion. That might be some sort of cue to you to denigrate such service and label it unhealthy, but that's your own intolerance showing, not mine.

In any event, the insensitivity you *think* I was exhibiting wasn't there. I can see this triggered a hot topic for you and again I apologize, and I will be more careful of your sensibilities in the future. But, I think it's unfair of you to characterize my comments as anything other than exactly what they were. How you got form servants to the Egyptian royals to the captivity of the Hebrews is, well, it's a stretch.

My mistake. Servants of Pharohs. Not slaves. I apologize for my lazy reading.

 

[Caitlynne]

My mistake. Servants of Pharohs. Not slaves. I apologize for my lazy reading.

Apology accepted.

 

[Netzach]

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I had one of those gut - hey those are my people you're talking about! Not only, of course. We tell the story every year though, so I do feel a connection in a strange way. Also, the jewish renewal movement has this message that we as Jews should think about all people who are opressed. I just don't see anything beautiful about slavery that is not freely given.

We had 'em too.

The whole world was like another cultural planet. Doesn't stop us from flowery analogies one bit though.

*classicist, almost, in college*

 

[intothewoods]

We had 'em too.

The whole world was like another cultural planet. Doesn't stop us from flowery analogies one bit though.

*classicist, almost, in college*

This is true. Actually, we're really not so nice to the Egyptians in the hagadah.

 

[Homburg]

This is true. Actually, we're really not so nice to the Egyptians in the hagadah.

And kicked the dickens out of them a coupla times last century too.

 

[intothewoods]

And kicked the dickens out of them a coupla times last century too.

Must we discuss Israeli military practices? That's a whole other can of schmaltz. Ya get me?

 

[Netzach]

All I know is screw this collaring deal, I'm gonna nail H's earlobe to the threshold of my house sometime.*










*Leviticus and it's weirdness - if the slave wants to stay on as a slave forever, you do this.

 

[Homburg]

Must we discuss Israeli military practices? That's a whole other can of schmaltz. Ya get me?

Jewish military practices from millenia ago are cool, but not from the XXth century? They kicked ass, hoo-rah.

I dig the Merkava III. The Zionist Conspiracy builds some nice armour.

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All I know is screw this collaring deal, I'm gonna nail H's earlobe to the threshold of my house sometime.*

*Leviticus and it's weirdness - if the slave wants to stay on as a slave forever, you do this.

Inquiring minds want to know - does this imply removal of the earlobe, or just complex nailing procedures?

 

[Netzach]

Neither - awesome piercing, I think. I imagine they stuck a big ol' ring in it and you went on your way.

 

[Homburg]

Oh, so put a big ring in the ear, and hang the ring on a nail at the threshold. Okay.

*wanders off to find a nail*

 

[Netzach]

Oh, so put a big ring in the ear, and hang the ring on a nail at the threshold. Okay.

*wanders off to find a nail*

No no no, I think the nail comes OUT the ring goes in. I don't think they mean to stick them there for good.

Now I see why fundamentalism doesn't work.

 

[Homburg]

No no no, I think the nail comes OUT the ring goes in. I don't think they mean to stick them there for good.

Now I see why fundamentalism doesn't work.

Geeze, this religion stuff is confusing. Better to just make the slave flat addicted to how I make em feel.

 

[intothewoods]

Jewish military practices from millenia ago are cool, but not from the XXth century? They kicked ass, hoo-rah.

I dig the Merkava III. The Zionist Conspiracy builds some nice armour.

For every post in jest, a new jew hater plots my death. I'll point them to Netz. Hey, I have red hair. Nothing to see here. Jew Schmew. I'll just go cook a casserole.

(seriously - jews do not cook casseroles, right? It's like utterly foreign - that and jello molds)

 

[Netzach]

For every post in jest, a new jew hater plots my death. I'll point them to Netz. Hey, I have red hair. Nothing to see here. Jew Schmew. I'll just go cook a casserole.

(seriously - jews do not cook casseroles, right? It's like utterly foreign - that and jello molds)

Dude you never encountered my gramma's B'Nai Brith Ladies' Cookbook ways.

/hijack I swear, really....

 

[intothewoods]

Dude you never encountered my gramma's B'Nai Brith Ladies' Cookbook ways.

/hijack I swear, really....

omg - there's a b'nai brith ladies' cookbook? I WANT THIS.

 

[Homburg]

For every post in jest, a new jew hater plots my death. I'll point them to Netz. Hey, I have red hair. Nothing to see here. Jew Schmew. I'll just go cook a casserole.

(seriously - jews do not cook casseroles, right? It's like utterly foreign - that and jello molds)

I've a buddy that's a Jew, and the one that gives me all of my Zionist Conspiracy comments. He's Canadian Air Force, MI, ops trained, dangerous as hell, and a brilliant guy with some *ahem* interesting politics. I would worry for Jew Haters messing with him.

I honestly wonder what the ratio is. How many red-haired Jewish mothers to each bad-ass, aggressive Warrior Of Zion?

(NOTE: Warrior of Zion is his term for when he is feeling a little too froggy. It is self-deprecating humour in context.)

 

[intothewoods]

I've a buddy that's a Jew, and the one that gives me all of my Zionist Conspiracy comments. He's Canadian Air Force, MI, ops trained, dangerous as hell, and a brilliant guy with some *ahem* interesting politics. I would worry for Jew Haters messing with him.

I honestly wonder what the ratio is. How many red-haired Jewish mothers to each bad-ass, aggressive Warrior Of Zion?

(NOTE: Warrior of Zion is his term for when he is feeling a little too froggy. It is self-deprecating humour in context.)

Ah yes, Homburg's token jewish friend. I'm happy for you both. I'm sure you are familiar with the rules though. He can say "zionist conspiracy." You cannot. I don't make the rules. I only enforce them.

 

[Homburg]

Ah yes, Homburg's token jewish friend. I'm happy for you both. I'm sure you are familiar with the rules though. He can say "zionist conspiracy." You cannot. I don't make the rules. I only enforce them.

Aw, I thought you were my token jewish friend too!

And do you have your Zionist Conspiract badge showing that you have the right to enforce these supposed restrictions?

 

[intothewoods]

Aw, I thought you were my token jewish friend too!

And do you have your Zionist Conspiract badge showing that you have the right to enforce these supposed restrictions?

Well, we only know each other online. So I'm your token fantasy Jewish friend. Accordingly, yes, I have the badge and the horns.

 

[Homburg]

Well, we only know each other online. So I'm your token fantasy Jewish friend. Accordingly, yes, I have the badge and the horns.

Token Jewish fantasy? I can get with that. Any particular way you'd like to be fantasised about?

Oooh, zionist conspiract enforcement officer IntoTheWoods must serve a warrant on well-known and dangerous dissident, Homburg, but the arrest is interrupted by steamy passion....

I should write smut books.

 

[intothewoods]

Token Jewish fantasy? I can get with that. Any particular way you'd like to be fantasised about?

Oooh, zionist conspiract enforcement officer IntoTheWoods must serve a warrant on well-known and dangerous dissident, Homburg, but the arrest is interrupted by steamy passion....

I should write smut books.

I think I'm the only kinky jew without a nazi fantasy. And I do such a good Heidi Klum too!

And yes, here's a hot fantasy - I'm healthy, no sniffling or whining or congestion. yeah, that's hawt.

 

[Homburg]

I think I'm the only kinky jew without a nazi fantasy. And I do such a good Heidi Klum too!

And yes, here's a hot fantasy - I'm healthy, no sniffling or whining or congestion. yeah, that's hawt.

My Tim Gunn impression is fairly solid. Wish I could dress and look half as good a she does.

And no snot is a good idea. Snot is not fantasy fodder for me.

 

[eastern sun]

just to get this thread back on track

I was listening to B.B. King this afternoon. . .
Check out his lyrics at the Cook County Jail back in 1970.


I don’t even know your name
but I love you just the same
if you let me hold your hand
then I think maybe I can make you understand
if you only, only knew
just how much I love you
loving you the way I do
then you’ll take the night to love me too
and like the picture on the wall
you’ll never let me fall
it’s my heart I’m thinking of
so please please accept my love
if you let me be your slave
your love I’ll cherish to my grave
and if you should die before I do
I’ll end my life to be with you
Yes I will

Hey. B.B. King is the man. If he says it's so, it must be so.