Switching for Service

[Marquis]

I can relate to T. When I ask for a bottom experience, it's not really that different from asking to be massaged. It's like massage for my brain, and it hits my reset buttons. It's months-years apart, usually.

Word.

Recently, when I've felt really depressed I've had my slave perform cupping on me. I try to get her to create as much suction as possible, and it can be painful when done right. I've found it really helpful, kind of hits the reset button, as you say.

 

[Netzach]

Word.

Recently, when I've felt really depressed I've had my slave perform cupping on me. I try to get her to create as much suction as possible, and it can be painful when done right. I've found it really helpful, kind of hits the reset button, as you say.

Dude that leaves some fucked up marks! I'm not brave enough to try it once I saw the marks...

 

[Marquis]

Dude that leaves some fucked up marks! I'm not brave enough to try it once I saw the marks...

Do you know something I don't know?


I've had circular marks on my back from the cups that get a really tight suction, but those always seem to go away in a few days. Bruises don't show very well on my skin, also.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Do you know something I don't know?

If i'm not mistaken, suction (over time, or with enough pressure) bursts capillaries. Forgive Q-bow the lack of desire for purple-hued, symmetrical marks on pale skin. Add a little creative knife play & the right partner on the receiving end, however, and you won't need to draft me into service.

 

[Netzach]

Do you know something I don't know?


I've had circular marks on my back from the cups that get a really tight suction, but those always seem to go away in a few days. Bruises don't show very well on my skin, also.

Oh, cool. I guess the guy I watched get cupped was a bruiser extraordinaire, he had serious round hickeys all over.

Maybe I should give it a go. I'm more prone to ponygirl fantasies these days when psycho-stressed, though. Anything that sounds like pain or bruising holds no appeal.

 

[Netzach]

If i'm not mistaken, suction (over time, or with enough pressure) bursts capillaries. Forgive Q-bow the lack of desire for purple-hued, symmetrical marks on pale skin. Add a little creative knife play & the right partner on the receiving end, however, and you won't need to draft me into service.

Like zis?

dont look if you don't do bloodplay

 

[Marquis]

If i'm not mistaken, suction (over time, or with enough pressure) bursts capillaries. Forgive Q-bow the lack of desire for purple-hued, symmetrical marks on pale skin.

I was wondering if she knew of permanent effects I wasn't aware of. I guess I could understand not wanting the bruises, but I find that bruises from cupping fade rather quickly. This may not be the case with everyone.

Add a little creative knife play & the right partner on the receiving end, however, and you won't need to draft me into service.

What does this mean?

 

[Marquis]

Nevermind.

I figured it was something like that, but I still don't understand the verbiage.

 

[Marquis]

Oh, cool. I guess the guy I watched get cupped was a bruiser extraordinaire, he had serious round hickeys all over.

Maybe I should give it a go. I'm more prone to ponygirl fantasies these days when psycho-stressed, though. Anything that sounds like pain or bruising holds no appeal.

I would definitely give it a try.

It works well with me. It's a very well measured, controllable sensation. You get some variety because some cups are tighter than others. It's a weird, kind of paralyzing feeling when they are on, and a painful relief when they are off. Like ripping off a bandaid.

 

[Marquis]

Sorry to do all these posts in a row, but the girl in that picture has her cups way tighter than I ever have mine on. The bulb of my cups isn't that big, I need a more extreme set.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Like zis?

dont look if you don't do bloodplay

Stop it, you're making me hungry ...

 

[Marquis]

Stop it, you're making me hungry ...

I'm going to do this someday soon.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I'm going to do this someday soon.

Drink or bleed?

 

[Marquis]

Drink or bleed?

Actually, neither.

I am going to cut slits on someones body and put cups over them so i can watch them fill with blood. I'm sure I could find a girl in my local scene who'd let me do it to her.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Actually, neither.

I am going to cut slits on someones body and put cups over them so i can watch them fill with blood. I'm sure I could find a girl in my local scene who'd let me do it to her.

i wouldnt do it unless you drank what you spilled...nope, no way

 

[Marquis]

Oh, I might drink your blood Kajira...

 

[Kajira Callista]

Oh, I might drink your blood Kajira...

purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr promise?

 

[BlueSugar]

sorry for the continued off topic posts Etoile *wince*

Niteloser got a cupping set this year.
The ones with the hand pump not the fire cups.
Toys and props (paddles, floggers, the cups, massage oils, wax, cloths pins, remotes for wireless vibes...) and things usually end up being found by curious friends and pulled out at parties ... there is usually a closed door for those people to mess around in out of the prying eyes of scoffing vanillists.

The night the cupping set came out people were interested in the massage "real" way to use it... a few of those were done, light light cup hickies were left ... people giggled... they cleared up in the morning.
Then the s/mers floated around with grins on their faces.

Needless to say... A few of us had deep dark cup marks on our backs and chests for more then a week. M's pattern on his back looked like a big penis with balls, I couldn't help laughing when he asked me how they were doing.


Quint I'm glad I'm not alone with that. Something in me wont let it go and let the experience be about me, I let it be all about them... seems like the right thing to do.

 

[Etoile]

I can relate to T. When I ask for a bottom experience, it's not really that different from asking to be massaged. It's like massage for my brain, and it hits my reset buttons. It's months-years apart, usually.

BAM.
Thank you, Netzach. Exactly the context in which I have done this. The thread itself was meant to encompass mindfucks as well, but this is precisely what my own experience (all of twice in five years) has been.

 

[ownedsubgal]

LOL, well unfortunately in my world, deciding my Dominant is wrong to ask something of me 'I' do not consider submissive and thus within my right to refuse or claim I can't do because I am 'too submissive', and consider asking release over, just isn't going to wash or be seen as being a submissive slave in a no liimits relationship as we agreed to. If he commands, and I do as commanded, I am submitting to him and his will....if I tell him I am too submissive to do it, he is going to find a nasty way to remind me what the exact meaning of submission and submitting is, and who decides what is and isn't submission in this relationship, and what is required to demonstrate that submissiveness I am craving to claim. I know which alternative I prefer. But as Netzach in her usual wisdom says, it is about difference and what is going to work for the individuals involved.

Catalina

lol Catalina, for some reason in our exchanges throughout the years, you seem determined to put words into my mouth. when or where did i say i would dare refuse my Master anything, or claim to have any rights?? lol. i can only imagine my Master's reaction if i ever said "no" or even silently refused any command, no matter how outrageous. actually this is not something i have to imagine, as he has told me quite clearly and colorfully what would befall me if i ever did such a thing. so no, i would not refuse a command from him to "top". it just would not be physically or mentally possible for me to obey.

Catalina, you are capable of doing MANY things i am not...that does not make you a better slave or me a poorer one, it just means that you and i are different, with different personalities and abilities. topping is one of those things (like rejecting a man who wishes to use my body, or giving orders to the repairman) that i am just not capable of doing. perhaps with years of training and deprogramming, this could change. but, my Master's training of me from day one has revolved around me embracing my submissive nature, (and if anything, becoming even more submissive) not struggling against it. like your Master, my Master defines for me what is and is not submission, and me "topping", at his command or not, is not submission in his eyes and therefore in mine. so for me to say that i would be able to obey such a command would not only be lying about who i am and what i'm capable of doing, but would also be spitting in the face of all my Master has instilled in me.

 

[Etoile]

and me "topping", at his command or not, is not submission in his eyes and therefore in mine. so for me to say that i would be able to obey such a command would not only be lying about who i am and what i'm capable of doing, but would also be spitting in the face of all my Master has instilled in me.

That is why I had tried to make clear at the beginning of the thread that this was all hypothetical. I hadn't realized that for some people the idea would be so abhorrent that they couldn't even pretend to imagine such a situation. I know this would never happen for most of us, I was mostly looking for how we would react if it did. I apologize if this has been difficult or upsetting for anyone to think about.

 

[shy slave]

That is why I had tried to make clear at the beginning of the thread that this was all hypothetical. I hadn't realized that for some people the idea would be so abhorrent that they couldn't even pretend to imagine such a situation. I know this would never happen for most of us, I was mostly looking for how we would react if it did. I apologize if this has been difficult or upsetting for anyone to think about.

Etoile its a pity you feel you need to apologise in your own thread.

This particular thread has caused many thoughts to turn over in my mind, I have really gained from reading osg and catalinas viewpoints.

(I am the only person who llikes to read such opposing views, surely not..)

I still have a foot in both camps and plan to like that for a while until I can figure out my own mind!

This thread has also caused discussion between him and I, which is one of the reasons I wanted him to visit Lit so he would understand what I was talking about when I went off at a tangent unexpectedly.

Ultimately people have the choice to read or post in threads, there are plenty of threads to choose from.

Personally I want to say thanks for starting this thread.

 

[ownedsubgal]

oh gosh you have nothing to apologize for Etoile. this is a great topic...forces us to imagine the unimagineable. that is why after thinking about it, then talking to my Master, then thinking about it some more...i had to admit something which may sound unslavelike to some...i would not be able to do this. and the union with my Master would be destroyed beyond repair. if my answer were any different, my Master would have my butt out on the curb tomorrow morning along with the rest of the garbage.

 

[catalina_francisco]

That is why I had tried to make clear at the beginning of the thread that this was all hypothetical. I hadn't realized that for some people the idea would be so abhorrent that they couldn't even pretend to imagine such a situation. I know this would never happen for most of us, I was mostly looking for how we would react if it did. I apologize if this has been difficult or upsetting for anyone to think about.

This has not upset me Etoile, mostly because like shy I think discussion and difference in viewpoints is more growth orientated than a thread of 'I agree' or 'that is my experience'. Of course those posts have value too, but alone perhaps they do not promote as much thought, growth, and discussion as opposing or varying views, instead becoming more like a grouping of a single view for people to read through absentmindedly. I actually thing it is an excellent thread, has highlighted some things many people have discussed or thought privately before, and despite osg's assertion words were falsely put in her mouth, I am afraid once again I can't agree as it is in black and white, not my imagination. Nor did I assert I was a better slave, but I imagine that is obvious considering I often mention and discuss my imperfections, shortcomings, and struggles as opposed to presenting a perfect slave who does everything and unquestioningly...I would really love to be like osg and find there is never a question in my mind, or at least one I think is relevant and justified for a slave, and as she points out, be so truly and naturally submissive as to just do because that is just who I am and what has been asked of me, but that is not my trip I'm afraid....what you see is what you get, and I get asked to do things which are not on the scale of what I think cool, or get off on, or have longed for, so it presents a challenge and a need to work at getting there, not instant karma....what he chooses goes in most instances, at some point, and there are no limits of what is acceptable on the D/s scale according to whether it fills the traditional vision of dominance for me or not, just whether he wishes it to be something I perform because he desires to see it/experience it.

The thread has highlighted for me once again that growth is achieved by not holding a rigid and unchanging POV, but by working toward pushing limits, trying new things, facing challenges, growing as either a Dominant, slave/sub, or switch as opposed to instant perfection in all things, instant 100% slavedom/Dominance/submission etc,. so often promoted as reality both on forums and in the porn media. It is a lovely fantasy, but the reality is it takes time, it takes a building of experiences, and it takes work, not to mention a lot of honesty and soul searching for the individuals involved...and even then, I have yet to see or meet anyone who has achieved perfection or even close to it as it is an ever evolving journey simply because people, life, and situations evolve and change naturally. If they didn't we would become very bored and boring, very quickly.

Catalina

 

[ownedsubgal]

Originally Posted by catalina_francisco:

LOL, well unfortunately in my world, deciding my Dominant is wrong to ask something of me 'I' do not consider submissive

first, i'd never think my Master "wrong" to demand (my Master does not "ask" me to do anything) anything of me, and no where did i say or imply this. unnatural, strange, confusing, completely opposed to who HE is and what HE belives, yes. but wrong? no. second, as i tried to explain above, my Master defines for me what is and is not submissive. if i say something is NOT submissive, that is because by my Master's definition and beliefs, it is not.

and thus within my right to refuse

you know tha i am a slave, and as such have no rights. also, probably one of the very few things your Master and mine have in common, would be their reactions should we ever refuse them. that "no" or "i don't think so" would be the last words to come from this body.

or claim I can't do because I am 'too submissive',

nor would i say "i can't" in response to any demand he made of me. and again, no where did i say or imply this. i stated quite clearly, that it would simply be impossible for me to obey. physically, i could not do it, no more than i could lift 500 lbs if ordered to do so. perhaps for you this is hard to believe, but maybe that is because you are having a difficult time thinking of a slave so unlike yourself. i am a submissive, which, in the world my Master and i inhabit, does not mean "i do what i'm told no matter what", it means my natural instinct is to submit, always. to submit and to obey a command to perform any random action are two different things. not simply according to me, as you continuously assert, but according to the One who owns me.

and consider asking release over,

this appears to be the only statement of mine you did not misinterpret or twist into something beyond all recognition. yes, i would seriously consider begging release over something like this, although as i said that would bring me no relief. either way i will have lost the Master i knew and loved. this is something HE himself would wish me to beg release over.

just isn't going to wash or be seen as being a submissive slave in a no liimits relationship as we agreed to.

and that is how it goes in your relationship, understood. in mine, if i had the ability to top, much less actually carried it out, i would not be a submissive in his eyes and therefore not the slave he desired.

If he commands, and I do as commanded, I am submitting to him and his will....

my Master believes there is a difference between the act of submitting (which anyone can do), and the state of BEING submissive. my Master does not wish me to simply submit...He needs me to also be submissive to the core.

if I tell him I am too submissive to do it,

again, where did i say or imply i would dare tell my Master i am too submissive to do anything?

he is going to find a nasty way to remind me what the exact meaning of submission and submitting is, and who decides what is and isn't submission in this relationship, and what is required to demonstrate that submissiveness I am craving to claim. I know which alternative I prefer.

to repeat, just as your Master decides what is and isn't submission in YOUR relationship, my Master decides what is and is not submission in ours. obeying, or being able to obey, a command to top anyone could not be further from what HE has clearly defined as submission.


so Catalina, what exactly is in "black and white"?? where did i say or imply the things you seem to believe i said?

i never claimed perfection or anything close to it, although i do disagree that the various states of Dominance, submission, slavery, etc., cannot be "instant." however, that does not mean there is not MUCH room for growth. you seem to have this idea that i think myself better or more "slavelike" than you, and then take the offensive by continuously disrespecting my Master, myself, and our ways, in thread after thread. i hate to put all of this out in Etoile's thread, but these things need to be said, and i respect your Master's wish for me not to contact you privately.
slaves, true slaves, are few and far between in this lifestyle, as you probably know. so when i first began posting here, i gained comfort from your presence. it seemed that while our Masters had different ways, we still had much in common and (i thought) much we could learn from one another. but while up until recently i had nothing but respect for you, and admired you and your slavery in many ways, you otoh had no such high regard for me and more and more seem determined to put me down at every turn. disagreement, even constant disagreement, is one thing, slander and disrespect are something else altogether. i wish you no ill will Catalina, i just ask that you show me the common courtesy of not twisting the meaning of my words, and of not disrespecting my Master (yes, implying a Master is not concerned for his slave's welfare, or lacks intelligence, qualifies as disrespect), as i would not disrespect yours no matter how different his ways. it's really not that difficult for us all to stay positive.

my apologies to Etoile.