Taboo. Open discussion, no attitude.

[minx1]

There's the converse question, too - should death row inmates be eligible to receive organ transplants if they are ill?

Oh what the hell...in for a penny in for a pound lol

Theoretically and morally I believe they should be eligible to receive transplants, though I acknowledge the likelihood of them being considered is as likely as me showing my naked ass on the town hall steps.

 

[minx1]

they all deserve a second chance, he say's disconnecting the bell on the appeal telephone

Micky! you cynic you

 

[Life_Noir]

Oh what the hell...in for a penny in for a pound lol

Theoretically and morally I believe they should be eligible to receive transplants, though I acknowledge the likelihood of them being considered is as likely as me showing my naked ass on the town hall steps.

Now THAT is a MUCH more interesting subject than organ banking...

*grin*

So, tell us all about said fundament

And is this a common fantasy of yours?

 

[minx1]

Now THAT is a MUCH more interesting subject than organ banking...

*grin*

So, tell us all about said fundament

And is this a common fantasy of yours?

*sniggers* only if there is a crowd watching and applauding

 

[Betticus]

I seem to remember reading once that people who are executed cant donate their organs especially if they are executed in either the chair or by lethal injection. Gas, hanging or firing squad Im not sure of. It may have more to do with the way people feel about it than any real problems with the organs.

Well, I figure that instead of executing them and then harvesting the organs you'd just knock em out like in surgery prep and start removing organs. Of course the condemned prisoner dies but when someone removes your heart that's pretty much a done deal. Once the organs that need to be transplanted quickly are out then the other specialists can go to work. Harvesting skin, corneas, bone, etc....

 

[Life_Noir]

*sniggers* only if there is a crowd watching and applauding

I think we can arrange that.. But you'de have to do somehting for them to applaude

 

[mickyp123]

Well, I figure that instead of executing them and then harvesting the organs you'd just knock em out like in surgery prep and start removing organs. Of course the condemned prisoner dies but when someone removes your heart that's pretty much a done deal. Once the organs that need to be transplanted quickly are out then the other specialists can go to work. Harvesting skin, corneas, bone, etc....

would it matter to you if you received the heart, or say another organ of a serial killer, god imagine getting a cock transplant from a serial rapist, or one from a different race lol

 

[minx1]

I think we can arrange that.. But you'de have to do somehting for them to applaude

Um......and you don't mean like a little dance, right? *giggles*

 

[Life_Noir]

Well, I figure that instead of executing them and then harvesting the organs you'd just knock em out like in surgery prep and start removing organs. Of course the condemned prisoner dies but when someone removes your heart that's pretty much a done deal. Once the organs that need to be transplanted quickly are out then the other specialists can go to work. Harvesting skin, corneas, bone, etc....

The way I understood it... Via "60 Minutes" was that the Chinese replaced a firing squad with one bullet.. Back of the head, quick and clean.
This avoided chemical contamination, and electrical burns, and etc...
Legally, the execution has taken place as sentenced. The only possible change is that they deny that the convicted retains the right to dispose of the entirety of his/her remains.
Said convict, at the moment of being declared dead, is carried to a specially equipped ambulance...
This was the way they were doing it when I was reading about it/watching news reports on it.. The idea, is that they don't blur the line between execution and medecine.
Personally I've always thought that whole "lethal injection" soire' was a load of crap...

 

[Life_Noir]

would it matter to you if you received the heart, or say another organ of a serial killer, god imagine getting a cock transplant from a serial rapist, or one from a different race lol

*ROFLMAO*!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Gods...Shades of Bill The Galactic Hero....

ROFL

 

[Puman]

brilliant

Well, I figure that instead of executing them and then harvesting the organs you'd just knock em out like in surgery prep and start removing organs. Of course the condemned prisoner dies but when someone removes your heart that's pretty much a done deal. Once the organs that need to be transplanted quickly are out then the other specialists can go to work. Harvesting skin, corneas, bone, etc....

You have an interesting mind, Betticus... Since this would be the only viable way to harvest "death row organs", you should put the idea forward...

You crack me up.

This has so far been an incredible thread to read...

 

[minx1]

god imagine getting a cock transplant

um......not really

 

[mickyp123]

The way I understood it... Via "60 Minutes" was that the Chinese replaced a firing squad with one bullet.. Back of the head, quick and clean.
This avoided chemical contamination, and electrical burns, and etc...
Legally, the execution had taken place has taken place as sentenced. The only possible change is that they deny that the convicted retains the right to dispose of the entirety of his/her remains.
Said convict, at the moment of being declared dead, is carried to a specially equipped ambulance...
This was the way they were doing it when I was reading about it/watching news reports on it.. The idea, is that they don't blur the line between execution and medecine.
Personally I've always thought that whole "lethal injection" soire' was a load of crap...

em no i think its three seperate drugs lol

 

[mickyp123]

um......not really

wahhhhhh didn't mean you girly,.......how about for one night, so you get all the feelings..................em "swap"

 

[Puman]

Yup

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em no i think its three seperate drugs lol

You'd be correct. The first injection is an anaesthetic, so they're basically knocked out before they are executed... supposedly very humane...

 

[Betticus]

*grin* That IS the moral question isn't it?.. The morality of the death penalty itself.. I really can't manage to find a moral dillema in using the organs of a murderer to save the life of an innocent.
As to when it happens...*shrug* What does it really matter?..To them it might provide days, or weeks, or months, of extension to their sentence.

{*grin* and yes, I'm fully aware of the moral and legal reasons why this is not allowed in the U.S. Right up there with selling organs. I could just be playing "Betticus advocate" to keep things meandering along.}

Hey, fuck em! They got that death penalty for taking lives so they might as well be used to help save lives. They get the same choice in the whole matter as their victims got! Makes everything pretty equal.

It's not logical to kill someone and then bitch and whine about society killing you. In a way your actions outline your personal moral code, the rules you make for life and since you forced someone else to live by your rules, someone forcing you to live by them just keeps everything balanced.

 

[Life_Noir]

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em no i think its three seperate drugs lol

Yup...and just recently they missed the murderers vein {or the vein collapsed}....Pisser that..
Seems the right arm was too heavily scarred from IV drug use...

*shrug* I find myself more likely to sympathize with his victims widow.

 

[Betticus]

There's the converse question, too - should death row inmates be eligible to receive organ transplants if they are ill?

I think only if the medical process is experimental.

 

[minx1]

Hey, fuck em! They got that death penalty for taking lives so they might as well be used to help save lives. They get the same choice in the whole matter as their victims got! Makes everything pretty equal.

But not necessarily right

 

[Life_Noir]

Hey, fuck em! They got that death penalty for taking lives so they might as well be used to help save lives. They get the same choice in the whole matter as their victims got! Makes everything pretty equal.

It's not logical to kill someone and then bitch and whine about society killing you. In a way your actions outline your personal moral code, the rules you make for life and since you forced someone else to live by your rules, someone forcing you to live by them just keeps everything balanced.

Yup... And as my pappy used to say, on the subject of it being a deterrent...
"It positively, absolutely, deters that asshole from ever doing anything like that again."

Want some fun...Look up the bill for just ONE death row inmate... Hell, look up the bill for just one convicted murderer who gets life in prison...
Want to feel a ripping walletechtomy??? Look up the bill for one inmate at a "Supermax"..
Even better...Look up the inmates from a "Supermax", and try to tell me honestly that any of those fuckers belong back in society..

 

[Puman]

Dollars

Just purely from a practical (non-emotional) point of view, does anyone know how much it costs (as a medical procedure) to harvest an organ? I am sure that it's got to be cheaper than keeping a murderer behind bars for 30-50 years, but is it cheaper than an execution?... I am just wondering why no one in the govt. has come up with this idea before and money is usually the bottom line with them. (whether they say so or not)

Just food for thought... not my personal opinion on the whole thing at all.

 

[Betticus]

But not necessarily right

Right and wrong is pretty much just a fantasy. Seriously, what in the world works by the concept of right/wrong or fairness?

I have birds that attack my figs. Those birds need to die but my subbie cat can't be out there perched in the tree 24/7.

Ants get stepped on or sprayed or drowned when it rains.

Spiders show no mercy when it comes to taking the life of a bug to increase/enrich their own lives and ensure the survival of their offspring.

Taxation is not fair. Which brings me to another taboo.....

 

[Life_Noir]

Just purely from a practical (non-emotional) point of view, does anyone know how much it costs (as a medical procedure) to harvest an organ? I am sure that it's got to be cheaper than keeping a murderer behind bars for 30-50 years, but is it cheaper than an execution?... I am just wondering why no one in the govt. has come up with this idea before and money is usually the bottom line with them. (whether they say so or not)

Just food for thought... not my personal opinion on the whole thing at all.

I think, if I remember correctly, it depends...But I have been told that lethal injection is the most expensive {and most drawn out} form of execution ever authorized in the U.S.
Also, if I remember the article, the Guillotine was supposed to be the most "merciful"... But suffers from "PR issues".

Organs can't really be bought in the U.S.{or at least it is SUPPOSED to be impossible} And the argument against harvesting prisoners organs is one of fear. It has been proposed before.. Given human nature, it might be a quite rational fear too... Hmmm .....See Larry Nivens "Known Space" {the Gil Hamilton books} series... He put it about as cogently as I have ever heard it.

 

[minx1]

Right and wrong is pretty much just a fantasy. Seriously, what in the world works by the concept of right/wrong or fairness?

You said Hey, fuck em! They got that death penalty for taking lives so they might as well be used to help save lives. They get the same choice in the whole matter as their victims got! Makes everything pretty equal.

Sorry Betticus imho that whole statement is based on what you believe is wrong and right and your idea of fairness....so I don't really understand your point.

 

[Netzach]

The frequency with which inmates have been exonerated by DNA makes me think this isn't such a hot idea. A lot of people don't get the death penalty because they killed anyone at all, and this is problematic enough for me to think the whole system is completely insane. Your birds and figs are one thing, but if you got fucked over and accused of something you didn't do, it wouldn't be such a "life isn't fair" moment.

If DNA corroborates the accusations however...

If I'm going to go off on a dark and fucked up dismemberment tangent, I don't really need to imagine my fantasy victim a rapist or murderer though, which shows how amoral my sex drive is.