Teh Power Exchange: a release from responsibility and accountabilty?

[MissTaken]

Thank you, tenacious rebel, for you post.

As for why I ask the question about something that so turns my stomach ?

To stir up discussion, gather more input and information for the reader, perhaps?



I also was wondering how others veiwed "slaves" by definition or by contract. It does vary from person to person.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bump as it might be an interesting discussion for some....

 

[sexycaz22]

Thank you, Catalina, I have found the thread an really interesting read. At the moment, I have nothing to add, but might be taking part as the time goes on.

 

[FurryFury]

What can I say to the title of this thread except I dearly wish at times that it were so simple?

 

[Primalex]

You are responsible for using a tool properly. You are not responsible for the tool doing its designated job properly.

 

[sexycaz22]

You are responsible for using a tool properly. You are not responsible for the tool doing its designated job properly.

I disagree with this one, at least from my point of view.

If I ever have a subbie, and I hope to have one by end of this week, I know that I would be responsible for him, and for any tasks he would be doing, as it is me who would give him a task, it is up to me AND up to him to ensure that he does the task the way I want it to be done.

 

[Primalex]

If I ever have a subbie, and I hope to have one by end of this week, I know that I would be responsible for him, and for any tasks he would be doing, as it is me who would give him a task, it is up to me AND up to him to ensure that he does the task the way I want it to be done.

I see this more in a Daddy Dom relationship, where teaching and training is part of the relationship - there constant monitoring might make sense. I expect the submissive to be either able to do things the way I want them or to make sure on her own that what she does is done the way I want it and if unsure, to work these things out with me. A mouth is not only good for a blowjob.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I see this more in a Daddy Dom relationship, where teaching and training is part of the relationship - there constant monitoring might make sense. I expect the submissive to be either able to do things the way I want them or to make sure on her own that what she does is done the way I want it and if unsure, to work these things out with me. A mouth is not only good for a blowjob.

But that's just my opinion.

LOL, so true.

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

Ultimately, legally, we're all responsible for our own actions unless we've been declared mentally incompetent. I mean, even if Master or Mistress tells you to kill somebody and you do it, Master or Mistress may stand trial alongside of you, but you're still going to be held responsible for pulling the trigger. As far as responsibility within an agreed-upon relationship, the Dom/me is responsible for making his/her wishes clear, and the sub is responsible for fulfilling them. I know we can argue all day about this, but it's kind of what it boils down to, isn't it?

 

[sexycaz22]

<snip> As far as responsibility within an agreed-upon relationship, the Dom/me is responsible for making his/her wishes clear, and the sub is responsible for fulfilling them.

I agree....although, I was more thinking of the early stages in a relationship? (perhaps I didn;t make it clear in my post...but anyway...)

I feel that, yes, a PYL will be responsible for making his/her wishes and commands clear...I agree on that....but I also think that the PYL (at least in the early stages) is also responsible for the pyl's actions and making sure that they do it safely or whatever?

Perhaps I am reading your post wrongly...but anyway....just me rumbling on, as usual!

 

[BiBunny]

I agree....although, I was more thinking of the early stages in a relationship? (perhaps I didn;t make it clear in my post...but anyway...)

I feel that, yes, a PYL will be responsible for making his/her wishes and commands clear...I agree on that....but I also think that the PYL (at least in the early stages) is also responsible for the pyl's actions and making sure that they do it safely or whatever?

Perhaps I am reading your post wrongly...but anyway....just me rumbling on, as usual!

I don't think we actually disagree.

I think some people need more reassurance than others. When I'm the submissive one, I want you to tell to me what you want. If there's a certain way that you absolutely must have your shirts folded, to use a trifle of an example, then, by all means, show me how to do it because that's not something you can really explain how to do. Otherwise, just state your piece (or, even better, write me a list to circumvent the ADD forgetfulness) and get out of my way. I don't do well with someone hovering. It makes me nervous, and it makes me fuck up more.

I operate on the same principles when I'm the dominant one. I'm intelligent; you're intelligent. If I tell you to sweep the floor, I don't have to stand there and make sure you do it right. If you're not smart enough to use a broom and dustpan correctly, I don't need you in my service, anyway.

But, then, as a sub, I'm kind of grumpy about having my intelligence insulted, which is probably why this post is going to sound more abrasive than I mean for it to. Like I said, I think we actually agree. I just object to hand-holding, personally.

 

[notalwaysweak]

As far as a release from responsibility goes, that seems to be what Tasha Maltby is seeking in this article.

"I am a pet, I generally act animal like and I lead a really easy life," she said.

"I don't cook or clean and I don't go anywhere without Dani. It might seem strange but it makes us both happy. It's my culture and my choice. It isn't hurting anyone."

(I'm sure this article has been discussed on here before, but I thought I'd bring it up again in the context of this discussion on the off-chance that some people hadn't seen it.)

 

[sexycaz22]

I don't think we actually disagree.

I think some people need more reassurance than others. When I'm the submissive one, I want you to tell to me what you want. If there's a certain way that you absolutely must have your shirts folded, to use a trifle of an example, then, by all means, show me how to do it because that's not something you can really explain how to do. Otherwise, just state your piece (or, even better, write me a list to circumvent the ADD forgetfulness) and get out of my way. I don't do well with someone hovering. It makes me nervous, and it makes me fuck up more.

I operate on the same principles when I'm the dominant one. I'm intelligent; you're intelligent. If I tell you to sweep the floor, I don't have to stand there and make sure you do it right. If you're not smart enough to use a broom and dustpan correctly, I don't need you in my service, anyway.

But, then, as a sub, I'm kind of grumpy about having my intelligence insulted, which is probably why this post is going to sound more abrasive than I mean for it to. Like I said, I think we actually agree. I just object to hand-holding, personally.

Now I got what you mean! Yes, I misread your post entirely wrong.....sometimes when someone writes in English, which is not my second language, sometimes I find it difficult to read "between the lines" and the meanings behind the written words!!

Anyway, yes exactly what I meant....I think!

Anyway thanks for clearing it up, BB!

 

[madetotakeit]

Ultimately, legally, we're all responsible for our own actions unless we've been declared mentally incompetent. I mean, even if Master or Mistress tells you to kill somebody and you do it, Master or Mistress may stand trial alongside of you, but you're still going to be held responsible for pulling the trigger. As far as responsibility within an agreed-upon relationship, the Dom/me is responsible for making his/her wishes clear, and the sub is responsible for fulfilling them. I know we can argue all day about this, but it's kind of what it boils down to, isn't it?

I agree Bunny. While I may agree to give up control, I would be equally responsible and accountable for my actions as the person I give it to. At the end of the day I have to be able to look myself in the mirror. It is my responsibility to know where that line is and not step beyond that line. As an adult I am accountable for my own actions. Giving over control does not release me from that. I may be submissive, but I am a person first-with all that entails.

 

[dreamr66]

If you told scooter to cut off his left thumb to show his undying adoration of you he should rush you to the emergency room and have you commited to show his adoration for the you he knows you are!

he should be intelligent and well trained enough to know that you have become temporarily unbalanced or you would not make a request that lessens the value of the one you have chosen to guide.

In refusing he shows his self respect and mental ability to remain safe and sane. I would think his refusal should be valued as his ability to read something amiss in the moment. his refusal should also show you that he has common sense and should remain your submissive.

I agree completely, I was thinking the exact same thing, then read your post.