The Cheap Whore Fantasy

[catalina_francisco]

The cheap whore fantasy is a man thing, imo, or for women who seek and/or need a excuse to say the want to have promiscuous or group sex...

Men always talk about fantasizing about having a prostitute, if shes cheap thats prolly a plus, because shes do more for less, and also be more desprate for any money or attention... she has to be a dirty whore because "shed do all the things most women wont"

or the variation SS spoke of about the woman wishing to be sold for quarters...

this to me stems from the societal pressure for women not to be promiscuous like men, or expiriment...

you know men dont want us all switching partners and finding out what weve been missing, but thats another topic.

I dont see the lure of either fantasy. I have been sold without my consent (as most of you know about the gangrape) i wasnt sold for cheap but let me assure you it doesnt hurt less when youre sold for 500$

I also dont need a man to order me to do something to feel i am allowed to do it....

oh and for those of you thinking, what if she just wants to perform and be praised for her skills... id say if thats what its all about why the need for a price?

Think you are way off in your assessment of why women find it appealing. I have never lead a restricted sex life and was seen by many of my peers in my younger days, and even in recent years, to be far more adventurous than most women, and never concerned about guilt trips or needing to find an excuse for enjoying what in my opinion comes naturally. I also do not feel I missed anything as I find most things I did in my late teens and early twenties, most women my age are only just beginning to experience or think about now, or have no intention of going there.

It isn't about needing someone to provide an excuse, at least not for me nor many I suspect, nor is it about societal pressures. Like most things which trip peoples radar, if it isn't your thing, it is probably not going to make a lot of sense nor seem something a thinking person would want. Doesn't mean it is bad, wrong, or irresponsible, just not your thing. As to what you say "most men want' as in a woman who is or has been a prostitute, I have not met many myself who feel that way...some men actually respect sex workers for a variety of reasons, one of them being the honesty in what they are doing. Generalisations are rarely a good way to evaluate something.

Catalina

 

[Instig8r]

you know men dont want us all switching partners and finding out what weve been missing

I have never heard a man say that and it doesn't apply to me.

 

[DeservingBitch]

Think you are way off in your assessment of why women find it appealing. I have never lead a restricted sex life and was seen by many of my peers in my younger days, and even in recent years, to be far more adventurous than most women, and never concerned about guilt trips or needing to find an excuse for enjoying what in my opinion comes naturally. I also do not feel I missed anything as I find most things I did in my late teens and early twenties, most women my age are only just beginning to experience or think about now, or have no intention of going there.

It isn't about needing someone to provide an excuse, at least not for me nor many I suspect, nor is it about societal pressures. Like most things which trip peoples radar, if it isn't your thing, it is probably not going to make a lot of sense nor seem something a thinking person would want. Doesn't mean it is bad, wrong, or irresponsible, just not your thing. As to what you say "most men want' as in a woman who is or has been a prostitute, I have not met many myself who feel that way...some men actually respect sex workers for a variety of reasons, one of them being the honesty in what they are doing. Generalisations are rarely a good way to evaluate something.

Catalina

I agree with Cat that this kind of generalizations is at best problematic.

I'm sure there are women for whom this fantasy is indeed a way to resolve the madonna/whore tension and deal with social pressure. But it's a bit of a strech to assume it is the case for most. And assuming that women who fantasize about being sold out as cheap whore are women who 'need a man' to rationalize their desires and/or act on them is basically victimizing those women and denying them their sexual agency. It also reproduces the very idea that UD's post implicitly condemns: that women aren't sexual being with desire and needs of their own.

As for men wanting a 'dirty whore': from my experience on the front lines, most actually are looking for a 'girlfriend experience' rather than a pornstar fantasy, ie, most want kissing, cuddling, and the experience of 'intimacy' mixed up with fairly vanilla sex. A blowjob and doggie is about as 'out there' as it gets for most of them. Obviously, I'm talking about men who actually hire escorts, rather then the fantasy about hiring one.

As for myself, this fantasy doesn't do anything for me, never did. I can appreciate the idea, and I wouldn't be opposed to make it happen for someone else, but for me, meh. Of course, working in the biz doesn't help much in this case - the fantasy comes a bit too close to home to be fun.

 

[YourCaptor]

I agree with Cat that this kind of generalizations is at best problematic.

I'm sure there are women for whom this fantasy is indeed a way to resolve the madonna/whore tension and deal with social pressure. But it's a bit of a strech to assume it is the case for most. And assuming that women who fantasize about being sold out as cheap whore are women who 'need a man' to rationalize their desires and/or act on them is basically victimizing those women and denying them their sexual agency. It also reproduces the very idea that UD's post implicitly condemns: that women aren't sexual being with desire and needs of their own.

As for men wanting a 'dirty whore': from my experience on the front lines, most actually are looking for a 'girlfriend experience' rather than a pornstar fantasy, ie, most want kissing, cuddling, and the experience of 'intimacy' mixed up with fairly vanilla sex. A blowjob and doggie is about as 'out there' as it gets for most of them. Obviously, I'm talking about men who actually hire escorts, rather then the fantasy about hiring one.

As for myself, this fantasy doesn't do anything for me, never did. I can appreciate the idea, and I wouldn't be opposed to make it happen for someone else, but for me, meh. Of course, working in the biz doesn't help much in this case - the fantasy comes a bit too close to home to be fun.

The ultimate in dysfunction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOpVvS4dVG4

Towards the end.

“I can’t have just you two as my friends now, that’s not nearly enough male approval”

 

[SinfulSailor]

LOL, personally I think it is much more interesting to charge various prices depending on the PLY's mood, or nothing even. Maybe charge 5 cents at the beginning, $200 for the next one, $5 for the next, $80 for the next, freebie for the next...sort of like pulling the rug from underneath in terms of being able to predict what will be charged as well as removing any reasonable way of measuring what services attract what fee. Could even rent a pyl to another for a weekend for $5 or $500, all is up to the PYL and their desire in the moment.

Catalina

I'm with you on that. It is realistic, and not only in d/s.

In my younger, though I don't know if I can say wilder, hippie days (dating myself here) I traveled with a band down to New Orleans. They were playing in a jazz festival and I was just havin' fun. The site was downtown and the area around the facility was *not* suburbia. I was hungry so I wandered away from the auditorium and found a little hole in the wall and ordered the special (gumbo if memory serves). A guy with a knocked-out lookin' girl came over to my table and pulled up a chair and just sat down. We chatted a little and he said, indicating the girl, you like her? Sure man she is beautiful! How would you like to have her? Man, I'd love it but you can see I'm just a fun-lovin', low-budget hippie and I can't afford it. He said, well come on back tonight anyway. (He must have liked me.) I got involved after the show with partying with the band and other people and I never did make it back to that little restaurant with the knocked-out hooker and nice-guy pimp.

But the point is.... what you describe above is realism. And I do so love realism, as opposed to going "in role".

 

[Netzach]

I'm with you on that. It is realistic, and not only in d/s.

In my younger, though I don't know if I can say wilder, hippie days (dating myself here) I traveled with a band down to New Orleans. They were playing in a jazz festival and I was just havin' fun. The site was downtown and the area around the facility was *not* suburbia. I was hungry so I wandered away from the auditorium and found a little hole in the wall and ordered the special (gumbo if memory serves). A guy with a knocked-out lookin' girl came over to my table and pulled up a chair and just sat down. We chatted a little and he said, indicating the girl, you like her? Sure man she is beautiful! How would you like to have her? Man, I'd love it but you can see I'm just a fun-lovin', low-budget hippie and I can't afford it. He said, well come on back tonight anyway. (He must have liked me.) I got involved after the show with partying with the band and other people and I never did make it back to that little restaurant with the knocked-out hooker and nice-guy pimp.

But the point is.... what you describe above is realism. And I do so love realism, as opposed to going "in role".

The band may have saved you a pistol whipping, a wallet-emptying, or who knows. Pimps don't sling pussy around at a discount.

Or it's like a free suit from your second cousin that fell off a van. A favor will be owed.

God, if I was a dude, I'd probably get laid a lot less but avoid more bar fights.

 

[ataxia.girl]

The band may have saved you a pistol whipping, a wallet-emptying, or who knows. Pimps don't sling pussy around at a discount.

Or it's like a free suit from your second cousin that fell off a van. A favor will be owed.

God, if I was a dude, I'd probably get laid a lot less but avoid more bar fights.

my cheap whore fantasy came from the Daddy at the time. Honestly i couldn't give a fuck anymore what i cost or don't cost. i do rather like the idea of being the instrument of mayhem though. i want to feel the power but not be responsible for its use.

i want to be the addiction, not the dealer.

 

[SinfulSailor]

The band may have saved you a pistol whipping, a wallet-emptying, or who knows. Pimps don't sling pussy around at a discount.

Or it's like a free suit from your second cousin that fell off a van. A favor will be owed.

God, if I was a dude, I'd probably get laid a lot less but avoid more bar fights.

Gawd. What a jaundiced outlook. I was the only blonde haired, blue eyed guy for blocks or maybe miles around. Somebody wanted to mess with me there wasn't much to inhibit that. I already said my wallet wasn't worth emptying. If you don't think some pimps give away pussy just like they'd offer a piece of gum or a cigarette then all I can say is your experience and mine do differ. That's not the only pimp I've met or known and not the only time I've been offered pimp-owned pussy gratis. A guy shares his cigarettes with you he does have an expectation that you'll treat him the same. So? So the guy liked me. So we had a rapport. So?

(Now this is real-life objectification of pussy too. (An aside to those readers who are turned on by objectification and keeping d/s in the conversation.) I remember the eye contact with that girl in that cafe while the pimp and I talked. She was lovin' it. Especially the part about giving her to me no-charge. It made her hot. She was inviting me back. She never said one word but she was nodding when he said come back later.)

Of course, I did think about going back over there after the band played. And I really didn't have any qualms about the pimp guy, though there was no guarantee he'd be hangin' out there if I did go back. It wasn't like we set something up or anything. So I didn't know for sure I'd find the guy. Also, the other people in the 'hood might not be so friendly. (It just takes one asshole to ruin your day.) Plus, even though this was before aids, there was still a possible std infection to cause a trip to the doctor for a shot of penicillin to be considered. (Which is the main reason I also passed the other time in my life that a pimp offered free pussy. Even though I knew that guy much better.) And finally, getting pussy has never been the rare and difficult event for me that it is for a lot of (most?) other guys. I was partying in N.O. with a band for cryin' out loud. There was plenty pussy.

(Knock wood.) The pussy still runs deep in my life. "Still crazy after all these years."

 

[unfoundiamond]

I have never heard a man say that and it doesn't apply to me.

I haven't heard you say anything come to think of it. LoL

I think you're name is a riot.

 

[unfoundiamond]

Think you are way off in your assessment of why women find it appealing. I have never lead a restricted sex life and was seen by many of my peers in my younger days, and even in recent years, to be far more adventurous than most women, and never concerned about guilt trips or needing to find an excuse for enjoying what in my opinion comes naturally. I also do not feel I missed anything as I find most things I did in my late teens and early twenties, most women my age are only just beginning to experience or think about now, or have no intention of going there.

It isn't about needing someone to provide an excuse, at least not for me nor many I suspect, nor is it about societal pressures. Like most things which trip peoples radar, if it isn't your thing, it is probably not going to make a lot of sense nor seem something a thinking person would want. Doesn't mean it is bad, wrong, or irresponsible, just not your thing. As to what you say "most men want' as in a woman who is or has been a prostitute, I have not met many myself who feel that way...some men actually respect sex workers for a variety of reasons, one of them being the honesty in what they are doing. Generalisations are rarely a good way to evaluate something.

Catalina

Cat, you always come at my knuckles with the ruler after I say anything, so I won't act suprised you seem to think Im making "generalizations"

This is a general discussion on the cheap whore fantasy...

I happen to think opinions are like assholes, and along with the rest of the saying, id like to add, I don't mind seeing yours.

Im about pondering and organizing my thoughts and ideas... I enjoy what I learn and take from the women on here I admire, you don't have to try and tear my points down, it won't work anyway,

I enjoy your attention.

((**sorry**))

 

[Instig8r]

I haven't heard you say anything come to think of it. LoL

Then you have been reading the wrong threads little one.

I think you're name is a riot.

No I don't start riots. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

 

[Kathykitten]

Cat, you always come at my knuckles with the ruler after I say anything, so I won't act suprised you seem to think Im making "generalizations"

This is a general discussion on the cheap whore fantasy...

I happen to think opinions are like assholes, and along with the rest of the saying, id like to add, I don't mind seeing yours.

Im about pondering and organizing my thoughts and ideas... I enjoy what I learn and take from the women on here I admire, you don't have to try and tear my points down, it won't work anyway,

I enjoy your attention.

((**sorry**))

Think she was debating against your views, which is generally what we do in threads like these

Nothing malicious aobut it. We share our views on the topics, and on the other members reply, and we expect everyone to be honest and open about what they think.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Cat, you always come at my knuckles with the ruler after I say anything, so I won't act suprised you seem to think Im making "generalizations"

This is a general discussion on the cheap whore fantasy...

I happen to think opinions are like assholes, and along with the rest of the saying, id like to add, I don't mind seeing yours.

Im about pondering and organizing my thoughts and ideas... I enjoy what I learn and take from the women on here I admire, you don't have to try and tear my points down, it won't work anyway,

I enjoy your attention.

((**sorry**))

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I and others are, but I'm afraid to have to burst your bubble but I do not pay you special attention, or attention at all really, I just post to posts when I feel like it. And sorry, but when I see such assumptions made about others, especially women, which basically put down women for their desires and tastes which do not correspond to your own experience, as a feminist and a woman I feel a need to say it is not as you imagine for all women.

The main issue I see is that you don't get something (this and other topics that have been discussed), you don't share the kink, desire etc., so your first response is to put down those who do because in your opinion if you don't share it, it must be wrong or shameful or misguided for others to want or connect with.

As I am sure you have seen, I was not alone in feeling you were misguided in your assumptions, but interestingly, despite your claims it is I singling you out, you have singled me out and made it personal and chosen to not mention anything to or about the others who did not share your view...interesting and sad, that. Can't say I find the victim role attractive, but hey, if it makes your day to feel you got some attention, you're welcome.

Catalina

 

[unfoundiamond]

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I and others are, but I'm afraid to have to burst your bubble but I do not pay you special attention, or attention at all really, I just post to posts when I feel like it. And sorry, but when I see such assumptions made about others, especially women, which basically put down women for their desires and tastes which do not correspond to your own experience, as a feminist and a woman I feel a need to say it is not as you imagine for all women.

The main issue I see is that you don't get something (this and other topics that have been discussed), you don't share the kink, desire etc., so your first response is to put down those who do because in your opinion if you don't share it, it must be wrong or shameful or misguided for others to want or connect with.

As I am sure you have seen, I was not alone in feeling you were misguided in your assumptions, but interestingly, despite your claims it is I singling you out, you have singled me out and made it personal and chosen to not mention anything to or about the others who did not share your view...interesting and sad, that. Can't say I find the victim role attractive, but hey, if it makes your day to feel you got some attention, you're welcome.

Catalina

You have things really screwed upstairs if you think I am a victim...

But I don't care to argue with you... I don't share your views and you telling me in being repressive with my opinion is repressive in itself, if for no other fact I am a young woman, and you shouldn't be trying tear down my opinions but empower the youth to think and be productive.

I know you don't remember what its like to be young and forming your opinions about the world, so I don't expect you to understand.

I just think you're a hater.

 

[BiBunny]

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I and others are, but I'm afraid to have to burst your bubble but I do not pay you special attention, or attention at all really, I just post to posts when I feel like it. And sorry, but when I see such assumptions made about others, especially women, which basically put down women for their desires and tastes which do not correspond to your own experience, as a feminist and a woman I feel a need to say it is not as you imagine for all women.

The main issue I see is that you don't get something (this and other topics that have been discussed), you don't share the kink, desire etc., so your first response is to put down those who do because in your opinion if you don't share it, it must be wrong or shameful or misguided for others to want or connect with.

As I am sure you have seen, I was not alone in feeling you were misguided in your assumptions, but interestingly, despite your claims it is I singling you out, you have singled me out and made it personal and chosen to not mention anything to or about the others who did not share your view...interesting and sad, that. Can't say I find the victim role attractive, but hey, if it makes your day to feel you got some attention, you're welcome.

Catalina

Have I mentioned how much I you lately?

I hate for anyone to speak for "women." "Women" is not a single, cohesive group with each member sharing the exact same thoughts. Don't tell me what "women" think because each woman thinks differently. It's terribly presumptuous and not altogether intelligent.

I am not "women." I am Bunny. I have absolutely zero problems being "promiscuous." I certainly don't need to cloak it in psychoanalytic bullshit. I hate when people presume to speak for me just because I happen to be female (or white, or from a rural area, or what-have-you). "Women" are individuals, too, shockingly enough.

 

[DeservingBitch]

I just think you're a hater.

Hahaha.

And I think you're seeing unicorns. Seriously hun, get a grip.

Cat was not singling you out, nor was she the only one criticizing the ideas put forth in your post. I did too for one. And I do believe that Cat is right: it is not the first time I read you put down and/or make problematic assumptions about people/kinks you don't understand or don't share. If memory serves well, I seem to remember some nasty comments of yours about sub males (which you also acknoweldge at the time to not know a lot about) a few months back.

Being a woman and/or young doesn't give you a free pass to be judgemental or ignorant, even from feminists.

 

[unfoundiamond]

Of what?

Stick figures don't leave a lot to grip on.

 

[Kathykitten]

Lets not turn this tread into a flamewar.

Everyones entitled to an opinion, and everyone is entitled to dissagree with an opinion, I am sure everyone agrees with that.

 

[unfoundiamond]

oh, no worries.

We are fine, I wanna see DB in those slouchy boots again and maybe one day ill gain the approval of the Lit cliquey types, but if not...

Oh well
We shall still discuss away.

 

[unfoundiamond]

I always had a odd variation of this "whore" fantasy...

I always wanted to have a guy, dom or not... sub would work, but to take him to a house party, and blindfold him, and whore him out to whoever bid, male or female, with no rebuttal or choice by him.

I have had this before the rape actually happened to me, so that's not the reason for it...

 

[unfoundiamond]

Think she was debating against your views, which is generally what we do in threads like these

Nothing malicious aobut it. We share our views on the topics, and on the other members reply, and we expect everyone to be honest and open about what they think.

I have been on here for a year, and its been the same with one set of friends on here hon, if you had been looking at this as a big picture thing your see, shit, go back and pull my posts...

I used to seek approval, now I just call it like I see it.

""lets not blow this- out of proportion"" **dangles and dances strings to 9 grenades in my coat pocket** -Joker.

 

[girlofurdreams]

Sir Julian and i have not yet discussed this... from our chat last night i doubt he would find this appealing... but as He knows His kitten is up for just about anything.... if it pleases Him of course