The Dirtiest Stories

Re: Re: Re: The Dirtiest Stories

dr_mabeuse said:
A very good question.

Dirty can't be the same as explicit, because there’s nothing more explicit and than a medical text, and probably nothing less sexy. Also, I think that you find less dirt in the Loving Couples category. It’s hard for people in love to get really dirty with each other, no matter what they do.

I think that “dirty” is a psychological change in the characters. I think dirty stories always involve a loss of dignity and self-control and a manifestation of hot and heavy libido: a character reduced to animal desires. Just like comedy always invoves a character’s descent into the ridiculous, I think dirty stories always involve a descent into animal desires. I'm afraid real filth involves degradation as well, in the sense that the character has to admit certain things abnout themselves they'd rather not acknowledge.

In a dirty story it’s not so much what the characters do, it’s how they feel about what they do.

---dr.M.

:p I think esplicit does equal dirty, as long as it is not technical, such as a med. journal, which is, admittedly, not sexy. :( If I say something like "I put my thing into her thingy for a while, until we stopped", that is not very explicit and is also not very dirty. :confused: On the other hand, if I write about my penis and her vulva and her labia minor and clitoris, that would be explicit but also not very dirty. :( I believe that if we use language that we have come to associate with dirtiness and smut, and describe what is done in very explicit ways, and portray the people who are doing these things as enjoying themselves immensely, that will be a good dirty story and readers will identify with the characters and, hopefully wank or frig themselves.

:eek: I have never written about anybody degrading themselves or another, and I never will. I don't like to read stories like that and I certainly don't want to write them. :mad:

:eek: In the past, I have referred to myself as writing filth but I will stop doing that. I will still refer to my stories as being smut or dirty and I still think that I write the dirtiest stories on the site, as I define dirty above.l:cool: :rose:
 
<<<<<I don't know of anybody personally, but there are probably people who consider the Dick and Jane series to be pornographic.>>>>>

Hey, Dick and Jane is kind of hot... seriously, read it out loud! We ot a book for the kids for Christmas and my husband told me he'd always thought Dick and Jane was hot... I thought he was nuts. Then I read it out loud... he was right!

This is an excerpt from the "Storybook treasury of Dick and Jane"... see what I mean??

Dick,
Look, look
Oh, oh, oh.
Look, look.
Oh, look.
Jane.
See, see.
See, Jane.
Oh, Jane.
Look, look, look.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, see.
Oh, see Jane.
Funny, funny Jane.
Look, Dick.
Look, Jane.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, Dick.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Look, Jane, look.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Funny, funny Baby.

Ok, I have to stop... because the next page moves on to SPOT! <grin>
 
SelenaKittyn said:
<<<<<I don't know of anybody personally, but there are probably people who consider the Dick and Jane series to be pornographic.>>>>>

Hey, Dick and Jane is kind of hot... seriously, read it out loud! We ot a book for the kids for Christmas and my husband told me he'd always thought Dick and Jane was hot... I thought he was nuts. Then I read it out loud... he was right!

This is an excerpt from the "Storybook treasury of Dick and Jane"... see what I mean??

Dick,
Look, look
Oh, oh, oh.
Look, look.
Oh, look.
Jane.
See, see.
See, Jane.
Oh, Jane.
Look, look, look.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, see.
Oh, see Jane.
Funny, funny Jane.
Look, Dick.
Look, Jane.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, Dick.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Look, Jane, look.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Funny, funny Baby.

Ok, I have to stop... because the next page moves on to SPOT! <grin>

:p You know, I hadn't thought of that. My kindergarten teachers got me started on a life of lust and porn.:heart: I wonder how I will ever be able to thank them because they are probably all dead by now.:kiss:
 
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I still think an element of romance is necessary to make great sex. It creates that comfort and trust that Sweet eludes to, and it acts as a motivating force to increase the sex drive. It doesn't mean you can't agree to have sex purely for the sake of sex, but it means if you take away every last shred of appreciation of the other person you cannot be very good at the sex you crave. I can't imagine fucking someone I don't like. I must admit, with me it's a bit of a men's lib issue. I wholly reject the idea that women make love and men just fuck, or women need a reason and men just need a place. I find these concepts insulting. Now, having thrown that cat among the pigeons I'm off to bed to get some sleep for work in the morning.

:devil: :p
 
SelenaKittyn said:
<<<<<I don't know of anybody personally, but there are probably people who consider the Dick and Jane series to be pornographic.>>>>>

Hey, Dick and Jane is kind of hot... seriously, read it out loud! We ot a book for the kids for Christmas and my husband told me he'd always thought Dick and Jane was hot... I thought he was nuts. Then I read it out loud... he was right!

This is an excerpt from the "Storybook treasury of Dick and Jane"... see what I mean??

Dick,
Look, look
Oh, oh, oh.
Look, look.
Oh, look.
Jane.
See, see.
See, Jane.
Oh, Jane.
Look, look, look.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, see.
Oh, see Jane.
Funny, funny Jane.
Look, Dick.
Look, Jane.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, Dick.
Look and see.
See Baby.
Look, Jane, look.
See Baby.
Oh, oh, oh.
Funny, funny Baby.

Ok, I have to stop... because the next page moves on to SPOT! <grin>
My first grade teacher caught me masturbating in reading circle, holding my reader in my lap. I always wondered what caused me to do that
Now I know.

Ed
 
Gary Chambers said:
I still think an element of romance is necessary to make great sex. It creates that comfort and trust that Sweet eludes to, and it acts as a motivating force to increase the sex drive. It doesn't mean you can't agree to have sex purely for the sake of sex, but it means if you take away every last shred of appreciation of the other person you cannot be very good at the sex you crave. I can't imagine fucking someone I don't like. I must admit, with me it's a bit of a men's lib issue. I wholly reject the idea that women make love and men just fuck, or women need a reason and men just need a place. I find these concepts insulting. Now, having thrown that cat among the pigeons I'm off to bed to get some sleep for work in the morning.

:devil: :p

:) I am assuming that you are talking about actual, rather than fiction. Well, duh, of course. For GREAT sex, an element of romance is necessary. I suppose that next you will tell us that water is wet.

:cool: You know what is sometimes said about sex: When it is good, it is wonderful but when it is bad, it's still pretty good. At times, I have driven into certain parts of town and pulled my car over near a woman on the street. She and I have negotiated a verbal contract, and she has gotten into my car. I have then driven to an unpopulated area and given her money and she has sucked me off. As sex goes, this was bad but it was still pretty good. Better than masturbating, even after allowing for the expense and the risk.

I don't know that I could fuck a woman I really hated. I could fuck a woman I disliked somewhat. I would have no trouble fucking a woman I didn't know and had never seen before and I think most men would say the same thing if they were honest. :devil:

The idea that women make love and men just fuck is an oversimplification. Sometimes women just fuck also and sometimes men make love. But it's also true that men frequently just fuck. Women need a place also.:)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Dirtiest Stories

Boxlicker101 said:
[BI believe that if we use language that we have come to associate with dirtiness and smut, and describe what is done in very explicit ways, and portray the people who are doing these things as enjoying themselves immensely, that will be a good dirty story and readers will identify with the characters and, hopefully wank or frig themselves.
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I have to disagree, BL. First of all, I don't think a good wank story has to be especially dirty. It certainly doesn't have to use street language, and back in the '70's there was plenty of euphemisim-filled porn books that were pretty dirty.

As for graphic stories of people enjoying sex, I suppose they can be arousing, but I usualy find the stories in the Loving Couples category to be kind of boring. Two caring people engaged in fun-filled consensual sex just lacks drama and edge as far as I'm concerned, unless they're pushing at some boundary and there's some resistance to give the story tension.

When I said that really dirty stories involve degradation, I wasn't talking about smearing people with feces or making them eat from dog bowls. I meant the kind of everday degradation that comes from having your secret self made public: Marian the Librarian being forced to admit that she likes sex, or Senator Craphorn beating off in the senate cloakroom, things like that. It's the thrill of seeing them unmasked and brought down to our level.

Porn isn't about describing people's organs or even what their organs do. It's about what their use of their organs says about the people that's arousing.

---dr.M.
 
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dr_mabeuse said:
I have to disagree, BL. First of all, I don't think a good wank story has to be especially dirty. It certainly doesn't have to use street language, and back in the '70's there was plenty of euphemisim-filled porn books that were pretty dirty.

As for graphic stories of people enjoying sex, I suppose they can be arousing, but I usualy find the stories in the Loving Couples category to be kind of boring. Two caring people engaged in fun-filled consensual sex just lacks drama and edge as far as I'm concerned, unless they're pushing at some boundary and there's some resistance to give the story tension.

When I said that really dirty stories involve degradation, I wasn't talking about smearing people with feces or making them eat from dog bowls. I meant the kind of everday degradation that comes from having your secret self made public: Marian the Librarian being forced to admit that she likes sex, or Senator Craphorn beating off in the senate cloakroom, things like that. It's the thrill of seeing them unmasked and brought down to our level.

Porn isn't about describing people's organs or even what their organs do. It's about what their use of their organs says about the people that's arousing.

---dr.M.

:) I remember paperback books from the fifties, which were not meant to be dirty but which had passages here and there that were erotic and I would search for the passages and wank to them. (I used the term, jackoff) In the late fifties and sixties, there were dirtier books on the market, Fabian Books and Saber Books, (That may have been spelled Sabre Books) that were dirty with a plot, but not as explicit as books now available. I beat off to them also. :D In the seventies, books were available that broke every taboo, women and dogs, men and sheep, anal, oral, S&M, and anything else. I also jacked off to them. I don't remember tha actual date but I believe "Deep Throat" was issued in the early seventies. This was a movie, not a book but I beat my meat to it also. I did a lot of that as a teenager and a young man. My books are a lot like the explicit books from the seventies and subsequently, except that I have a lot more description of what is happening, detailing where the man puts his tongue on the woman's pussy and what her reactions are, etc. I was married in 1980 and haven't had as much reason to jack off so I haven't followed the progress of porno books since then.:cool:
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Oh, absolutely. I could write some great smut about it and so could you and any writer on Lit. could. John could turn into a really hung and horny great Dane, with human intelligence and feelings, and he and Susan could get it on until daybreak, when he would change back. What I have in mind would not, I am sure, be acceptable to Laurel, though. Maybe I could write about a woman and a pet unicorn she has named Horny, which would be a neat double entendre. Call it "Daphne and Horny Horny". That might get past, depending on what I emphasized.l:p

:) Well, the unicorn story has been posted. The name is "Deidre and Horny Horny". The unicorn uses his tongue and then his horn on Deidre and then she masturbates him. I was unsure whether the tongue and masturbation would be okay because this would be like a dog or pony:p but I guess is was okay. In the notes section I included my misgivings.:cool:
 
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