Is "smut" a synonym for "erotica?"

[gunhilltrain]

Oh, I put a quarter on the tracks often and derailed many a thread just chugging until it hit my obstacle.

Actually, coins on the tracks will just be squashed flat. Do people still do that gimmick? Do really do it right, there are other ways. Yes, the teenage brain is not fully developed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/09/nyregion/five-teenagers-seized-in-crash-of-jersey-train.html

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'm thirty-four, not a teen, but my quarters are more like small compressed bombs when placed on the tracks of thread.

Actually, coins on the tracks will just be squashed flat. Do people still do that gimmick? Do really do it right, there are other ways. Yes, the teenage brain is not fully developed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/09/nyregion/five-teenagers-seized-in-crash-of-jersey-train.html

 

[AG31]

I think that car in the Once Upon a Time America clip was real (it was nearly forty years ago). Since it went into salt water, I doubt it could be salvaged. The car shot up in Bonnie and Clyde (a Ford, I think) may have been real too. But it was only about thirty-two years old at the time. Now it would be close to a hundred. Time moves on. Actually, it says here that it was a "replica," so maybe it is just a mock-up. That would explain why it wasn't moving (which the car in 1934 was) during the filming.

Sorry, AG31, this thread has really drifted.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bonnie_and_Clyde_Movie_Car.JPG

Happy to supply a platform for what's obviously some fun conversation.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

To me; erotica is like the softcore porn that geve cinemax the nickname Skinemax. Smut is basically Porn Hub. But it really doesn't matter in the long run, people have been calling romance novels smut for decades and those are or can be more tame and flowery than anything here considered erotica over smut. Sex is simply smut to the masses, no matter how it's written.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

They wrecked about 300 of them. The show actually had to switch to using similar cars in later seasons.

They bought up a lot of 68 and 69s and made them look like 67s. They also reused footage and used models. A General Lee is one of very few cars worth more in their wrecked state. They even left a few that were wrecked where they shot the scene. I believe they wrecked more of the police cars.

I wouldn't mind having a General to get back on the road and restomod it. But I'd really like one of the Monoco's because sedan.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Smut logically implies a certain “dirty” quality of some definition, whereas erotica is something you can plausibly argue is art.

 

[intim8]

For those of you who use "smut" to refer to less than intelligent kinds of erotica, what term do you use for passages that are intended to elicit arousal in the reader?

I do use "smut" to mean just, well, porn. Not necessarily less intelligent, just much more directly to the point. And since "porn" is starting to be used outside of sexually themed works, such as fiction with an agenda, usually political, where the plot is just a thin vehicle to get to the point of laying out and/or indulging the agenda, "smut" refers to specifically sexual porn, to me.

As for individual passages, I've never really had a term for them. "payoff scenes", or "money shots" have come up in conversation before.

 

[AG31]

I do use "smut" to mean just, well, porn. Not necessarily less intelligent, just much more directly to the point. And since "porn" is starting to be used outside of sexually themed works, such as fiction with an agenda, usually political, where the plot is just a thin vehicle to get to the point of laying out and/or indulging the agenda, "smut" refers to specifically sexual porn, to me.

As for individual passages, I've never really had a term for them. "payoff scenes", or "money shots" have come up in conversation before.

I "liked" this because it's clarifying. And I know "smut" doesn't necessarily have "lesser quality" connotations for a lot of people, particularly younger, but it is irretrievably tarnished for me, and so, I'm guessing, for a bunch of other people.

 

[32aa]

Generally speaking, we don't speak all that specifically at all times but generalize quite generously at times.

Again, that's only in general.

Have you been taking Kama Harris's class on how to create a 'Word Salad'?

 

[MillieDynamite]

No, I don't think so. Um, who's she? Just kiddin', no I haven't taken any course in Word Salads I've been making them for years.

Have you been taking Kama Harris's class on how to create a 'Word Salad'?

 

[MillieDynamite]

The General is down, I repeat, the General is down.

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[LonRivers]

That depends on the author. Either you write smut or you write erotica. Some people see it as the same thing. Others know the difference. I can write page after page of nothing but sex and get good feedback (that goes back to the aforementioned "one handed readers") or I can write pages and pages of story that opens the mind up (hopefully) to your own ideas and fantasies. I don't mind catering to both. If someone finds one of my stories that arousing that they pleasure themselves, enjoy.

 

[rthnck]

my search criteria uses "erotic" and "sensual" to track down artistic intimate photos and videos. If I want down and dirty then "hardcore" and "smut" would be much more appropriate. I think we've moved far away from the 1950's paperback sensibilities where an exposed knee was beyond the pale. I'm thinking of the song "Trouble" from "The Music Man"

Mothers of River City!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger?
A dime novel hidden in the corn crib?
Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt.
Billy's Whiz Bang?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like 'swell?"
And 'so's your old man?"
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in River city!
With a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool.

 

[AG31]

That depends on the author. Either you write smut or you write erotica. Some people see it as the same thing. Others know the difference. I can write page after page of nothing but sex and get good feedback (that goes back to the aforementioned "one handed readers") or I can write pages and pages of story that opens the mind up (hopefully) to your own ideas and fantasies. I don't mind catering to both. If someone finds one of my stories that arousing that they pleasure themselves, enjoy.

I've been on a bit of a campaign to change the label for stories with nothing but sex. "Stroker" and "smut" have lots of connotations of unworthiness and slapdash writing. I'm going for "simple erotica." Are your smut stories worthy of literary respect?

 

[LonRivers]

I've been on a bit of a campaign to change the label for stories with nothing but sex. "Stroker" and "smut" have lots of connotations of unworthiness and slapdash writing. I'm going for "simple erotica." Are your smut stories worthy of literary respect?

Literary Respect? I reserve that for novels not geared towards Erotica or to arouse the genitals of a man or woman. I reserve that for books from Hemmingway or the other great authors out there, past and present. Not to take anything away from the people who write the stories on this site. All of us write to entertain and to put forth good stories that are geared towards arousal in some form or another. We work hard to write them too! I am pretty sure most of the people here can write stories, even novels that are straight fiction or non. No Erotica. But that is not what we do here. It would be foolish to think too that the writers/authors here don't write non erotica. I am sure they do, and they do it quite well.

Take a look at the people who have bookmarked or added your stories to their favorites or liked/commented on them, and you will see that most of them do not publish. They do not write. Not a single poem either. Why? Because they came here to read and get aroused. A lot of the people here on the forums come here to socialize and possibly hook up with some good adult fun time.

You make it sound as if writing a story to elicit arousal or the act of masturbation is a bad thing. It is not. As I have mentioned before in a post, some of our readers are shut ins or for one reason or another cannot indulge in sexual activity with others. Masturbation may very well be their only outlet for sexual release. If I can write a story that helps them achieve that, I am good. I can go to sleep happy knowing that I helped someone.

Label it any way you or they want, to the reader or to the average person, it's Erotica. It's Porn. It's Smut. It is what they want to label it.

I DO agree with you. Stroke stories are nothing but sex. They are geared towards arousing someone enough that they pleasure themselves or maybe turn them on so much that they make love to their significant other. Bonus on that! An Erotic novel or story has more development. More story and some juicy sex scenes peppered in.

I enjoy writing the short stories that elicit arousal. But I am also writing a much longer, more detailed story at the moment that I hope will be allowed and be published here.

Also, why do you feel the need to try and "change labels". They're already labeled. The main category and subsequent tags take care of that. We KNOW what we are here for, and it doesn't matter what the content is. It will either arouse the reader or leave them disappointed and looking for something different.

At any given moment, any one of these stories can become a stroke story or novel. There are so many varied people with different kinks and fetishes, desires and wants that you cannot single them out with labels.

Now, to answer your question...hell no my stories are not worthy of literary respect. I write incest stories, erotic horror and anything else that pops into my warped little head. But it's my release. It's my way of escaping for awhile. It's my way of providing an outlet for someone else too. Either their escape from their reality for awhile or their sexual release. I am good with either one.

I hope that I don't come off sounding rude or like an asshole. That is not my intention.

 

[AG31]

You make it sound as if writing a story to elicit arousal or the act of masturbation is a bad thing.

I mean to say quite the opposite. Sex is worth an author's dedication. Arousal can/should(?) be elicited via excellent writing. If it is, that should be acknowledged. It's the words "stroker" and "smut" that make such stories sound like a bad thing.

"I hope that I don't come off sounding rude or like an asshole. That is not my intention."
Not at all! You're a guy with an opinion and willing to spend time explaining it. It's what makes AH such a fun place!