The Second Amendment, Gun Control, and School Shootings.

[ThatsTheGuy]

I know I'm a bit late to this party ... but really? I wasn't sure of this - it took me approximately 18 second to confirm that, yes, being born in the US does confer (and also infer) citizenship:
"Generally speaking, a person can become a U.S. citizen in one of four ways. First, by being born in the United States or one of its territories." (Source but also a million other sources.)

Secondly, I'm not in the middle of the situation, but isn't the DACA issue about kids who were brought into the US at young age - NOT kids who were born there?

Glad you looked into it. Coach is correct. Explains a lot of animosity and confusion doesn't it?

I'm not entirely sure about DACA, but I think your interpretation is correct.

 

[KimGordon67]

Glad you looked into it. Coach is correct. Explains a lot of animosity and confusion doesn't it?

I'm not entirely sure about DACA, but I think your interpretation is correct.

Um ... no, that quote pretty clearly demonstrates that Coach isn't correct. Being born in the US does confer/infer citizenship. The status of your parents is irrelevant.

"In most situations, any child that is born in the United States or one of its territories will automatically receive American citizenship. However, children born to diplomats and other recognized government officials from foreign countries will not receive U.S. citizenship if born on American soil. You can learn more about this by looking through Title 8 of the U.S. Code.

If you were born in the U.S., your U.S. citizenship will last your entire life unless you make an affirmative action to give it up, like filing an oath." (Same source.)

 

[KimGordon67]

Ramstein isn’t ‘US soil’... it’s German. My kid was born in a German hospital.. US natural born citizen because of PARENTS, not soil, same with John McCain

Does he know that different countries have different laws?
And also, that there's more than one way to become a US citizen?

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Um ... no, that quote pretty clearly demonstrates that Coach isn't correct. Being born in the US does confer/infer citizenship. The status of your parents is irrelevant.

"In most situations, any child that is born in the United States or one of its territories will automatically receive American citizenship. However, children born to diplomats and other recognized government officials from foreign countries will not receive U.S. citizenship if born on American soil. You can learn more about this by looking through Title 8 of the U.S. Code.

If you were born in the U.S., your U.S. citizenship will last your entire life unless you make an affirmative action to give it up, like filing an oath." (Same source.)

So, we are back to square one w/you?

I suppose next you're going to explain why so many of us born here, who's citizenship and ancestry goes back to Revolutionary War, are not US citizens from legal immigrants.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"Infer" = "Confer"? How about "not".

Being born in America does not infer citizenship, it is the parentage that confers citizenship. Foreign citizens can be born here, that doesn't make them American citizens. That's why there's a fight going on about kids of illegal immigrants being born in the US and the whole DACA bullshit....

^^^This might be the stupidest thing I've read all month, which is saying something as I have Que currently off ignore.

I urge the Ass Force air hole to google "Anchor Babies" if he truly believes being "born in America does not infer (sic) citizenship"

 

[BotanyBoy]

Right, everyone is making things up, whenever you encounter a concept you can't confront. The entire world is wrong, so you don't have to examine yourself. Also, paranoia.

Say it enough times, it will eventually become true.

Seriously, you especially, but the haters like shitslinger too....make shit up 100mph.

It’s already true, I’ve linked it and asked you to back yours up dozens of times and the best you can manage is to ignore it repeatedly because you know you’ve just been called on your bullshitting.

Like “Right Wing Liberal” ...... entirely your creation among many others.

 

[Rightguide]

You guys fight like old ladies with swollen ankles. None of you should be shouting down the other in this battle of the asshole retards.

Says the purse swinging retarded asshole herself.

 

[KimGordon67]

So, we are back to square one w/you?

I suppose next you're going to explain why so many of us born here, who's citizenship and ancestry goes back to Revolutionary War, are not US citizens from legal immigrants.

I don't even understand your question. 'Born here' = US citizen.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The US is not a nation of blood and soil, we supposedly settled that in the Civil War.

We are a nation of reason, ideas and ideals.

 

[Hypoxia]

We are a nation of reason, ideas and ideals.

And long-term corruption. The best gov't money can buy.

 

[phrodeau]

And long-term corruption. The best gov't money can buy.

Michael Cohen sold access to President Trump in a pay-for-play scheme that was likely legal. Thank the Supreme Court and Virginia Governor McDonnell.

 

[von_Bismarck]

I don't even understand your question. 'Born here' = US citizen.

It's very likely he doesn't understand his question, either.

 

[Rightguide]

I don't even understand your question. 'Born here' = US citizen.

"Born here" didn't mean the American Indians were citizens until Congress gave them citizenship in 1924.

 

[von_Bismarck]

"Born here" didn't mean the American Indians were citizens until Congress gave them citizenship in 1924.

Thanks for the factoid, Captain Irrelevance.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

You guys fight like old ladies with swollen ankles. None of you should be shouting down the other in this battle of the asshole retards.

Aren't you tired of being pathetic excuse for a homophic white male form UK pretending he's still in school in TX?

Also, Johnny, why did you recently try to erase that post from 10/yrs ago?

 

[IG_88]

"Born here" didn't mean the American Indians were citizens until Congress gave them citizenship in 1924.

So you agree with coach then? I mean just for clarification so I know that you're truly that fucking stupid. I honestly didn't think you were. I think you're an old bigot who is too much of a coward to admit who he really is but I didn't think you were actually stupid.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I don't even understand your question. 'Born here' = US citizen.

In comment 626 you reiterated there is 1 of 4 ways to become a US citizen. Something the LWCJ so readily overlooks and why they don't understand illegal immigration.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The US is not a nation of blood and soil, we supposedly settled that in the Civil War.

We are a nation of reason, ideas and ideals.

LMFAO!!!!

Let me guess you think those ideals are equitable outcome in life for all, community property and collective ownership over the means of production??

 

[Rightguide]

LMFAO!!!!

Let me guess you think those ideals are equitable outcome in life for all, community property and collective ownership over the means of production??

He's forgets we are a dormant nation of warriors until "filled with a terrible resolve."

 

[Rightguide]

So you agree with coach then? I mean just for clarification so I know that you're truly that fucking stupid. I honestly didn't think you were. I think you're an old bigot who is too much of a coward to admit who he really is but I didn't think you were actually stupid.

No stupid, I agree with the authors of the 14th Amendment, the judicial perversion of which forms the basis for today's PHONY anchor baby bullshit. Research is your friend, you dumb son of a bitch.

 

[IG_88]

No stupid, I agree with the authors of the 14th Amendment, the judicial perversion of which forms the basis for today's PHONY anchor baby bullshit. Research is your friend, you dumb son of a bitch.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Funny, I don't see anything in there about parents but I do see something about being born here. Weird.

 

[Rightguide]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Funny, I don't see anything in there about parents but I do see something about being born here. Weird.

That's because you're a dumb son of a bitch who doesn't understand the legal meaning of that part of the 14th I bolded. Nor have you read the words of the two authors of the 14th as to its purpose and meaning.

 

[IG_88]

That's because you're a dumb son of a bitch who doesn't understand the legal meaning of that part of the 14th I bolded. Nor have you read the words of the two authors of the 14th as to its purpose and meaning.

Funny that nobody who matters agrees with you. Strange even. Almost like you're an idiot or something.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

And long-term corruption. The best gov't money can buy.

It is the people that are corrupt. Separate them form the system.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

"Born here" didn't mean the American Indians were citizens until Congress gave them citizenship in 1924.

That's because you're a dumb son of a bitch who doesn't understand the legal meaning of that part of the 14th I bolded. Nor have you read the words of the two authors of the 14th as to its purpose and meaning.

You need to understand "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the context of TWO Supreme Court cases: Elk v. Wilkins and U. S. v. Wong Kim Ark. Elks is about indians. It's a special case given the predating of a culture prior to the establishment of America as a sovereign nation. Wong is basically about everyone else born here and the fact that, for the most part and with few exceptions, those born here can CHOOSE jurisdictional subservience to the United States independent of the birthplace of their parents.

Here is the Wiki entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause) and the most relevant paragraphs within it:

In Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court held that, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States[3] and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States. More broadly, the court characterized the statement, All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States as "the broad and clear words of the Constitution", ruling that Wong's U.S. citizenship had been acquired [at] birth and had not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth.[27]

A 2010 Congressional Research Service report, however, observed that, though it could be argued that Congress has no power to define "subject to the jurisdiction" and the terms of citizenship in a manner contrary to the Supreme Court's understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment as expressed in Wong Kim Ark and Elk, since Congress does have broad power to pass necessary and proper legislation to regulate immigration and naturalization under the Constitution, Art. I, § 8, cls. 4 & 18 of the constitution Congress arguably has the power to define "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" for the purpose of regulating immigration.[28]

Now go back and read that last paragraph again. The 2010 CRS report argues that while the terms of citizenship must legally be consistent with the Court's holding in Wong Kim Ark, the numerated powers of Congressional legislation under the Constitution give it broad authority in the area of immigration re "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

Don't confuse the two applications of the phrase.