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coachdb18 said:
Any American can be born abroad to US citizens and be a US citizen by birth. But a non-American does not confer that same response.
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What response? He wasn't born Abroad. He was born in America, that makes him an American Citizen.
 
psiberzerker said:
What response? He wasn't born Abroad. He was born in America, that makes him an American Citizen.
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Being born in America does not infer citizenship, it is the parentage that confers citizenship. Foreign citizens can be born here, that doesn't make them American citizens. That's why there's a fight going on about kids of illegal immigrants being born in the US and the whole DACA bullshit....
 
coachdb18 said:
Being born in America does not infer citizenship, it is the parentage that confers citizenship. Foreign citizens can be born here, that doesn't make them American citizens. That's why there's a fight going on about kids of illegal immigrants being born in the US and the whole DACA bullshit....
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Oh wow. This has to be an act. Nobody is really this fucking dumb.
 
coachdb18 said:
Being born in America does not infer citizenship, it is the parentage that confers citizenship. Foreign citizens can be born here, that doesn't make them American citizens. That's why there's a fight going on about kids of illegal immigrants being born in the US and the whole DACA bullshit....
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LMAO. Seriously, this has to be an act.
 
psiberzerker said:
It's not inferred. It's outright stated. "Natural Born Citizen." Hawaii was a state when he was born here. He's a natural born citizen.
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I think he meant confer, but he's a fucking retard so who knows?
 
He keeps repeating Natural Born Citizen. That's what that phrase means. He wasn't born abroad.
 
'Natural born citizen' has its roots in English law...

Clause III of the Foreign Protestants Naturalization Act 1708 provided:[13][14][15]
That the Children of all natural born Subjects born out of the Ligeance of Her Majesty Her Heires and Successors shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be natural born Subjects of this Kingdom to all Intents Constructions and Purposes whatsoever
The Act was repealed (except for the quoted clause III regarding foreign-born children)[16] by the Tories in 1711 by the statute 10 Anne c. 5.[16][17]
Subsequently, the British Nationality Act 1730 provided:
for the explaining the said recited Clause in the said Act . . . [t]hat all Children born out of the Ligeance of the Crown of England, or of Great Britain, or which shall hereafter be born out of such Ligeance, whose Fathers were or shall be natural-born Subjects of the Crown of England, or of Great Britain, at the Time of the Birth of such Children respectively ... are hereby declared to be natural-born Subjects of the Crown of Great Britain, to all Intents, Constructions and Purposes whatsoever.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
 
coachdb18 said:
'Natural born citizen' has its roots in English law.
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So now Kenya is subject to the Crown of England? That's not American law. England isn't Kenya, nor Hawaii.

Yes, the words Natural, Born, and Citizen are all words, in English. Want me to translate it into German? He wasn't born abroad, and the Crown of England is what America was founded to get away from.
 
psiberzerker said:
So now Kenya is subject to the Crown of England? That's not American law. England isn't Kenya, nor Hawaii.

Yes, the words Natural, Born, and Citizen are all words, in English. Want me to translate it into German? He wasn't born abroad, and the Crown of England is what America was founded to get away from.
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'Natural born citizen' has its roots in English law... this is how the Founders understood and used the term... <geeesh>
 
coachdb18 said:
'Natural born citizen' has its roots in English law... this is how the Founders understood and used the term... <geeesh>
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Except the part about being subject to the Crown of England you bolded. You don't even understand the word Abroad, and yet you know what the founders understood?

No wait, I'm sure it was a C-section, and therefore not a natural birth. Come on, man.
 
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psiberzerker said:
Except the part about being subject to the Crown of England you bolded. You don't even understand the word Abroad, and yet you know what the founders understood?

No wait, I'm sure it was a C-section, and therefore not a natural birth. Come on, man.
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Now you're sounding liberal... I'm done for now... you know the point, simply putting your fingers in your ears for the simple sake of being obtuse...
 
coachdb18 said:
Now you're sounding liberal.
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When you come back, bring with you the law that says anything about the parentage of citizens born here, in America. Not Kenya, and not subject to the crown of England. Yes, I know the point, he was born in America.
 
psiberzerker said:
When you come back, bring with you the law that says anything about the parentage of citizens born here, in America. Not Kenya, and not subject to the crown of England. Yes, I know the point, he was born in America.
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It's a liberal porn board, so that serves for acceptable rhetoric in that context....
 
coachdb18 said:
Why two definitions, one for congress, another for President?
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In insultingly simple terms, because one is the CEO, and the other is in the Legislature. So, they serve the country in different capacity, but neither definition says anything about the place of your parent's birth, and he was born in the United States. That's enough, under both "Definitions." (Elligibility requirements.) He was not born abroad.

The only significant difference is residence in the state (Illinois in this case) because a senator votes for that state's interest. He was a resident of Illinois, and has lived in the US for 9 years.
 
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coachdb18 said:
Why two definitions, one for congress, another for President... it's that fucking simple. <OUT>
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Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover would all be ineligible, by your rule.
 
Sean said:
Now explain the 14th amendment to him.
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LOL, oh God. I can't even imagine going through that word by word, and explain to him that or between born here, OR naturalized. I actually avoided that, and focused on Abroad, but yeah. I'm sure he won't have given up just because he's already Retired, or anything.
 
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