Tihmmnmmish's Very Laid-Back Summery Poolside Threadcast

it's three quarters of the way to Wednesday here. ;)

feel free to send some sunshine down here please.

how's the writing going?

:rose:

I'd be glad to trade. You got rain, or just the short days of winter?
We're getting into the high 90s (F) each day, with high humidity.
No rain, but hoping it won't be a tropical tempest.
I'm sort of tired these days, wilting in the warmth.
:)
 
Just went out to get the washing off the line because it came over really dark now it's brilliant sunshine again grrrrrrr
 
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When out old dog was alive thunderstorms and firework night used to be horrendous times for us. He was terrified of any loud bangs. He learnt that from another dog we had before who also learnt it by some idiot letting a banger (firework) off behind him when he was 18 months old. The bitch we got from rescue used to get upset because he was upset and we had to sedate them or we would have holes in walls and teeth and nails ripped out from tearing through metal sleeping cages and no they weren't shut in the cages they would literally straighten the wires with their teeth in sheer fright.. Since the old dog died last year when we have had loud bangs the bitch has tried on the 'I am afraid' routine and by ignoring her and the noise she now settles down, it was only the old dog's distress that that set her off.
 
Does poolside have sanctuary too? I admit I had another bit of nonsense (akin to the dung beetle only larger) written but I am afraid to submit. Critique I am prepared to take but not how it has been done just lately. I am afraid
 
Does poolside have sanctuary too? I admit I had another bit of nonsense (akin to the dung beetle only larger) written but I am afraid to submit. Critique I am prepared to take but not how it has been done just lately. I am afraid

Make your bug into a here, stretch it out into an epic, and you've got the latest bonus round challenge covered !
By then, hopefully things will have died down.
 
I never thought I would be driven away from this place and through past troubles I have fought to keep it alive, but if I am afraid to submit poems what point is there in being here. I am afraid of a public pasting I've stopped submitting and have gone elsewhere it might be permanent
 
Does poolside have sanctuary too? I admit I had another bit of nonsense (akin to the dung beetle only larger) written but I am afraid to submit. Critique I am prepared to take but not how it has been done just lately. I am afraid

I understand completely.

Take a deep breath, regain a love of life, write and submit when you feel like. Fuck 'em if they don't like it.


Been a bit under the weather lately. Nothing super serious, just... blah... which really kinda sucks because this summer's sweetness just keeps coming. I mean the hills are still green. They're usually dry and brown by now. But it's hard to enjoy it. And hard to get into Lit/Poetry... I've been in a mood of really wanting to write a lot more, but little nagging concerns get in the way, not much, but just enough.


Summer, Lit, and Hmmnmm don't seem to go together.
 
you know, I think a sort who has interest or penchant or passion for written creative expressions can certainly benefit by insinuating themselves into a situation where they get to rub themselves against others who share the same interests and passions. But I think there's also a hidden trap. Too many people doing the same thing, spending too much time too close together... all the children begin to look creepily similar, and gradually grow more and more... well I don't know how to say it... creatures, not human souls; that's what starts growing in the close community where too many people with too many similar passions spend too much time too near each other. I don't see how an attractive outcome can really be possible.

Now Annie, I know how it feels. I go through spells and ride waves; sometimes just can't stop writing and submitting and thriving on the free feeling of really not giving a fuck what anyone thinks. It's great. It's the best. But it never lasts of course. Maybe I get in a self-critical mood, or something triggers a hypersensitivity to criticism from an outside source. Then there's hesitation. Second-guessing. Worrying about how other writers/poets will judge or perceive me or my work. Then it's over. It's a symptom that suggests too much time had been spent among too many others with too similar passions. You know, if you're experiencing too much pain and you can tell it isn't from healthy exertion then something's wrong. And you can either carry on with the pain and worsen the condition, or you can stop, find out what's creating the discomfort, deal with it, so you can get back in the ring, swinging away.

And that's the way it is.
 
I mean, what if a bunch of newscasters formed a community and they all took turns broadcasting the news to each other? Would be a bit weird huh? Maybe good for an occasional taste of the forbidden, but if that's how their community primarily functioned... y'know?
 
It's not like I haven't had critique before but this person carries a scorpion sting and uses it. Some may see me as strong but when faced with this possibility I'm hanging back and the longer I hold back the harder it is to get back into the swing of things. Pretty stupid really when I haven't even been stung sort of like a foreboding and strong sense of self preservation
 
I never thought I would be driven away from this place and through past troubles I have fought to keep it alive, but if I am afraid to submit poems what point is there in being here. I am afraid of a public pasting I've stopped submitting and have gone elsewhere it might be permanent

I promise to continue to read your poems and comment on them in a civil way.
 
there comes a point when you just have to write and share for that single person who you want to write for. whether it be your muse, or your idol, or someone who becomes your mentor, it does not matter. write for them.

critique is useful, only when it is useful critique. if it is garbage, treat it as such. ignore it or delete it. give it a few days though, and then go back and look at it when you have the ability to have new eyes - that slightly distant perspective. there's a possibility that you may find something useful in what they say. if you don't, then ignore it. either it wasn't worth listening to, or you have to grow a little more as a poet before you can see where they're coming from.

either way, keep writing. keep reading. and most importantly, enjoy the process.

and by the way, there used to be specific threads in here somewhere for submitting poetry. just to the forum. you get critique from other poets here, rather than the general public on the site. use those threads. they're awesome. i promise. construction thread. and you can always start your own thread with your poem asking for constructive criticism. that way you are more in charge of what you react to.

good things to watch for in critiques:

specific comments on rhyme, line end breaks, punctuation, grammar, the semantics of poetry itself etc.


bad things that can be ignored:

personal comments i.e. comments on you yourself.

critique should be only on the writing itself. the regulars of this forum i.e. Poets! are the people who are likely to have the most important and useful critiques for you. there are some on the site generally who give reasonable critique, but those oddballs that trickle in with the breeze in the gaps under windows, often don't have specific comments on the writing.

also... someone that says 'you write crap', or 'your writing should be the graffiti under a bridge, or on the wall in an underground sewer' is not giving you useful critique. if they go on to say exactly specifically why, then they might be worth listening to. otherwise, ignore them.

when i was worrying about what others said about my writing, nervous to the extent of not wanting to put anything in the public eye including on the forums, i had a standard that i measured the critiques against. if it did not feel right to me, then i put it on the back burner. either to ignore, or to look at at some point in the distant future when i was ready to understand what was said.

sometimes i put poems up that were very close to my heart. they were the hardest to step back from and to listen carefully to the critiques. i found it easier to put stuff into the public eye that i purposely chose to be there. that way i knew critique was coming and i could accept it easier. once i'd done that a few times, i became used to how critique worked. what was useful, and what was useless.

any useless, unspecific critique was ignored.

that's how i grew my thicker skin and was able to better deal with comments.

i've waffled. *smile* hopefully something in here makes a bit of sense to you and is useful for you. i hope it is.

like i said before, keep writing and reading and enjoying the process. that's the most important thing, in my opinion.

:rose:
 
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That's the worrying bit ...... what if they are correct and I am writing crap?!

put an example in here and i'll read it and give you my thoughts.

if it's crap i'll tell you, but i won't tell you just that. i'll spend some time and give you a critique as to why, in my opinion that i think it's crap. remember though, i'm a learning poet too *smile* and although it's been a while, i don't tend to give critiques that 'hurt'.

if you can put one up in the next couple of mins, i'll take it away and write back tomorrow (i'm about to go offline as it's 8pm here). otherwise, i'll try and check in tomorrow and give you a c&c within 24 hours. work is busy for me, but i'll make time.
 
oh help now I'm in a quandary the only stuff I've got on the go is the epic for the Survivor challenge and having never written an epic before have noooooo idea whether I am doing it right or not lol plus I don't want to give away what I am writing about!
 
oh help now I'm in a quandary the only stuff I've got on the go is the epic for the Survivor challenge and having never written an epic before have noooooo idea whether I am doing it right or not lol plus I don't want to give away what I am writing about!

i haven't read the entire thread, but i assume you have had a bad comment left on a poem somewhere. which poem?
 
It's not me hun but we have just acquired in our midst one who is dishing out comments (critiques?!) with a none too kindly hand and I don't want same hand clouting me round the ear hole
 
okay i don't know who it is and don't have time to read all the threads/poems to find out. do you understand what i mean by useful critique and useless critique? if it is not based in the words of the poem and how they are written then it's not of use to the poet. if it is, then look carefully at what's said and see if there is some measure of usefulness in what was said.

i have to say, the most freeing and useful thing i ever did on this site was to turn off the voting. i instantly had the confidence i needed to simply write and share my writing. spending half my free time worrying about troll votes was a complete waste of my energy that was far better spent in writing and critiquing.

i guess the votes are tied in with the survivor contest? if that's the case, then perhaps those votes/comments could be scrutinised by the moderators or Laurel and could be deleted...? i obviously need to spend more time reading the threads.

from what i've read of a few of your poems in the last half hour, the only comments of use to you should relate directly to your rhyming and/or count per row (i've completely forgotten the name for that last thing). you seem to have fairly good concrete images in the half dozen poems i've read, i don't see a problem with that.

the occasional clout on an ear hole doesn't tend to stop us writing. don't let it stop you if it happens. you're a poet. :)

:rose:

be back when i can. enjoy your day. i need to hit the sack. night night. er... good morning. lol
 
It's comments on individual poems and a few spats in the 'Keep the review thread clean' because of them. Sweet dreams :rose:
 
A Present for Hmmnmm

water, son, and the lordly flotsam--
when were we when we were young?
an' we wars 'n loo, an' our hopes poured Adam's ale
o'er keck 'n stain o' ye Baptis' table-tapper,
stays 'n jumps an' lewdly quick steps the same,
am eye yer rigadoon? nibble-nibble per turning peck
in lorry framed hours and front seat embrasure,

now 'ear our fickle moth-breathren Mother Superior,
an' flicker rosy posy queenly meanly mayflower:
mine pilgrim sim. eye leave but take no parts,
pour silly sticky goopy stars 'n highs an' she-sour flows,
lowely berry neck-fast counting berry prayer
crosswisecrissexcruciates seven and six and seven,
and limbic expectation, and seven and seven

eyes open her at six and seven, and each stanza's sick
plus one, plus one, save the meddling stanza's sick magnolia,
womb afternoon like de fleur de gre entomb, rise sunny side
de mano arma virumque cano, eye itching yoo-hoo girly bride,
were Tappan-Zee beheading an' Nelson A. Roca-Baptista?
heigh-ho, feller, wordsy kurdsy omni. peacock-wrangle,
servant and dock, I've no drug bitter hen mien triste
Art Nouveau angeliformica
 
there comes a point when you just have to write and share for that single person who you want to write for. whether it be your muse, or your idol, or someone who becomes your mentor, it does not matter. write for them.

critique is useful, only when it is useful critique. if it is garbage, treat it as such. ignore it or delete it. give it a few days though, and then go back and look at it when you have the ability to have new eyes - that slightly distant perspective. there's a possibility that you may find something useful in what they say. if you don't, then ignore it. either it wasn't worth listening to, or you have to grow a little more as a poet before you can see where they're coming from.

either way, keep writing. keep reading. and most importantly, enjoy the process.

and by the way, there used to be specific threads in here somewhere for submitting poetry. just to the forum. you get critique from other poets here, rather than the general public on the site. use those threads. they're awesome. i promise. construction thread. and you can always start your own thread with your poem asking for constructive criticism. that way you are more in charge of what you react to.

good things to watch for in critiques:

specific comments on rhyme, line end breaks, punctuation, grammar, the semantics of poetry itself etc.


bad things that can be ignored:

personal comments i.e. comments on you yourself.

critique should be only on the writing itself. the regulars of this forum i.e. Poets! are the people who are likely to have the most important and useful critiques for you. there are some on the site generally who give reasonable critique, but those oddballs that trickle in with the breeze in the gaps under windows, often don't have specific comments on the writing.

also... someone that says 'you write crap', or 'your writing should be the graffiti under a bridge, or on the wall in an underground sewer' is not giving you useful critique. if they go on to say exactly specifically why, then they might be worth listening to. otherwise, ignore them.

when i was worrying about what others said about my writing, nervous to the extent of not wanting to put anything in the public eye including on the forums, i had a standard that i measured the critiques against. if it did not feel right to me, then i put it on the back burner. either to ignore, or to look at at some point in the distant future when i was ready to understand what was said.

sometimes i put poems up that were very close to my heart. they were the hardest to step back from and to listen carefully to the critiques. i found it easier to put stuff into the public eye that i purposely chose to be there. that way i knew critique was coming and i could accept it easier. once i'd done that a few times, i became used to how critique worked. what was useful, and what was useless.

any useless, unspecific critique was ignored.

that's how i grew my thicker skin and was able to better deal with comments.

i've waffled. *smile* hopefully something in here makes a bit of sense to you and is useful for you. i hope it is.

like i said before, keep writing and reading and enjoying the process. that's the most important thing, in my opinion.

:rose:

I couldn't agree more. Your later comment about turning off the vote counting really made sense also as it did when I first read a post by Tristesse 2 about it. If someone is intrigued enough by a submission, he/she can choose to comment on it or move on. I should read and reflect upon it, whether it's negative or positive. It's also good practice, as I think you said, to come back to it at some future point. If I enjoy the work several months from now as much as when I hit the submit button, it's probably a pretty good poem, regardless of a negative comment, provided, of course, I'm honest with myself.

The elephant in the room is ego, both on the commentator's part and the poet's part. For the poet, having spent so much enery on a piece of work only to suddenly get a negative comment, the first (human) reaction is "but you don't understand!" As for the commentator, I'm reminded of a recent promo on cable TV where the critic of a fashion statement said, "it reminded me of a rainbow going berserk." My first thought was "why you egotistical bastard for demeaning someone for coining a phrase to bring attention to yourself for being so clever in having said it."

But then I realized that was my ego at work.
 
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