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So all religions are just made up by people except for one religion?
And religion is a poor choice of word there anyway. Religion implies the way man gets to God by pleasing Him. Christianity (and Old Testament Judaism) says man can't possibly please God because He requires perfection because He is Holy. So God had to do it FOR man, had to come to man, and save man apart from works. The RESULT is good works because the heart desires are changed.
 
That's about the sum of it. Christianity is an outgrowth of Judaism. The Old Testament said Messiah will come. The New Testament says the prophesies were fulfilled in Jesus. There is One God, One Way. Think about it. If there were many ways, why would God need to come as a Man and suffer and die? He would have said, Just try that way, or that way. And it would be a cruel God to leave confusion over how to get to Him if He holds men accountable. But He left His Book, and preserved it for us to access even today. Pretty cool actually.
The Koran says Allah is real.
 
The Koran says Allah is real.
The Koran says that if you have to get up in the night to use the bathroom, to then blow your nose 3 times and speak the name of Allah because otherwise the devil will take up residence in your left nostril. The Koran says that if you take a woman captive in war, after having killed her husband and male offspring mind you, you can now use her sexually or sell her or do whatever you like. The Koran says a lot. It doesn't make it a worthwhile or trustworthy book.
 
It’s there business what goes on in there state
No one else’s
BUT, when the state of Alabama thinks they can prosecute people who leave their state, they make it other states' buisness.

Their jurisdiction should not reach beyond the borders of their own state. That goes against the whole concept of states sovereignity.
 
The Koran says that if you have to get up in the night to use the bathroom, to then blow your nose 3 times and speak the name of Allah because otherwise the devil will take up residence in your left nostril. The Koran says that if you take a woman captive in war, after having killed her husband and male offspring mind you, you can now use her sexually or sell her or do whatever you like. The Koran says a lot. It doesn't make it a worthwhile or trustworthy book.
It had never occurred to me that a religious text could be untrustworthy.

Are you saying that you believe that a man could live to be 500, or that sloths could swim thousands of miles, or that the Earth is flat and only 4,000 years old?
 
I'm promoting nothing of the kind. I am rejecting social welfare programs because they take money away from taxpayers, both those poor who need the money (I grew up in that household) and the middle class and wealthy who are better able to directly impact the needs of others, either directly or through charitable organizations designed to do it on a larger scale.
you just claimed a Religion was causing hunger, and you are also supporting government promoting hunger due to abortion and social programs.

As I said, too fucking stupid to understand.
If the government isn't taxing as much, because they aren't spending as much, everyone, including the poor who need the money most, are able to keep more money.
If you're a single mother with three kids, how much work are you going to be able to do??????????
 
Put a different way, I am not advocating the government taking more of YOUR money, I am advocating them taking less money so I can give more of mine.
Oh the trickle down effect,but instead of Reagan, it's Religion. Well they both start with R....
 
It had never occurred to me that a religious text could be untrustworthy.

Are you saying that you believe that a man could live to be 500, or that sloths could swim thousands of miles, or that the Earth is flat and only 4,000 years old?
Let's take those one at a time...

Let's assume PERFECT genetics... Adam would have had them if God created him as first man, yes? Over time, like everything else, the DNA code gets mixed, more corrupted, and those things that slowly kill us become more common. But perfect genetics... People will like a long time. Add to that a perfect climate. The Bible describes a canopy of water (likely ice) suspended over the earth in a climate that had no rain and water coming up from the ground to hydrate (we still have pressurized springs in super-healthy natural spas today). What has just been described would create a planet-wide hydroponic chamber. Plants would have grown quicker and larger, the harmful effects of UV rays would be filtered out, and even injuries, with the super-enriched oxygen, would heal quicker. We know all this because we use hydroponic technology today from plants to people. How long would people live in this perfect environment? A lot longer than we do. The Biblical ages start making sense.

If that theory is correct, after Noah's flood we would see life spans greatly reduced, as the landscape, the climate, and the exposure to UV damage changed drastically. And that's exactly what we see in the Bible. There is a very reasonable scientific understanding as to how all this would have worked. Like evolution (that says a rock can become an living organism can become a fish can become a monkey can become a man), there is a theory and a faith element (https://www.icr.org/article/evolution-religion-not-science), but the expectations of the theory I am relating here do in fact match what we would expect to see if it were true.

I am not saying sloths could swim 500 miles. I am saying that the Bible describes a planet before the flood that would be unrecognizable afterwards. The earth as a major land mass, the ocean much smaller and in one place, the bulk of the Earth's water under the crust, pressurized and the source of life giving water through springs and misting. Again, a perfect planet. What we see now is a wrecked planet that is a result of a worldwide catastrophic flood. Again, we know what to expect if that theory were true, because we saw that happened to form Crater Lake.

The flood is described as having the water above the earth (said canopy) coming crashing down, and the waters below the earth coming smashing up. This would have also caused thousands of volcanic eruptions worldwide, fractured tectonic plates, destroyed the ocean basin, and created a whole new topography. Geography and fossil layers we can observe today paint exactly this picture.

One other fun fact. It is impossible for continental shift to have occurred for one fundamental reason. Under the ocean, connecting the continents, is more land. So water would have eventually filled in the space between the continents after the flood. And the Bible actually uses language that describes this as well. Kinda cool.

The fact that the Bible describes the earth as a globe, not flat, in a world where, when it was written, people believed in a flat earth, that's actually one of the great proofs of the Bible's scientific accuracy. The Scripture describes the earth as "the circle of the earth". The Hebrew word for circle there is the word for ball or globe. The Bible nowhere describes the earth as flat.

And as for the age of the earth, we would say closer to 6,000-10,000 years old, but, yes essentially young, not millions of years. Again both are theories, but the evidence points to the young earth the Bible describes. For example:

The rate of salt buildup in the sea is measurable. Even if you exponentially decrease the rate going back in time, the sea would be so thick with salt you could almost walk on it , and no life could survive in it if it were millions of years old.

We know the earth is slowly moving away from the sun. If we take the rate of speed back, millions of years would have the earth so close to the sun that life would have no chance to begin.

We get oil gushers. That pressure slowly decreases over time (think of a bottle of soda after you shake it up). If we were dealing with millions of years, there would not be the pressure to create the oil gushers.

We find soft tissue in dino bones. Soft tissue could not physically exist in those bones ever with millions of years old bones.

There are other examples, but you get the point. So, yes, the science mentioned in the Bible has either matched what we can observe to be true or matches what we would expect to be true if the claim being made is true.
 
Amen brother, we’re number one!


Until it’s born, then call it a day and a job well done.
Until it's born and then... Are you kidding me? Conservatives and Christians are the number one demographic of people adopting and fostering kids, and that's by a LOT.
 
Amen brother, we’re number one!


Until it’s born, then call it a day and a job well done.
And it's Conservatives and Christians who run the pregnancy crisis centers who ACTUALLY act in charity, not doing abortions (the pregnancy centers doing abortions are making a killing - pun intended - doing them), who provide postnatal care and baby supplies and adoption services and all kinds of other care for the mother and the child.
 
Let's take those one at a time...

Let's assume PERFECT genetics... Adam would have had them if God created him as first man, yes? Over time, like everything else, the DNA code gets mixed, more corrupted, and those things that slowly kill us become more common.
So you acknowledge DNA. DNA studies on the maternal DNA point to a common female descendant, about 100,000 years ago. (note: 100,000 is older than 6,000 to 10,000)
The flood is described as having the water above the earth (said canopy) coming crashing down, and the waters below the earth coming smashing up. This would have also caused thousands of volcanic eruptions worldwide, fractured tectonic plates, destroyed the ocean basin, and created a whole new topography. Geography and fossil layers we can observe today paint exactly this picture.
Actually none of the above is true, nor does the geological history show it to be even remotely close to reality.
One other fun fact. It is impossible for continental shift to have occurred for one fundamental reason. Under the ocean, connecting the continents, is more land. So water would have eventually filled in the space between the continents after the flood. And the Bible actually uses language that describes this as well. Kinda cool.
Um, under the tectonic plates ( often termed the crust) is a layer of molten material ( volcano's come from working up through pressure and cracks), called the mantle. Under this layer is the core, which rotates, and is why we have magnetic fields, which the only reason we can use the internet ( and every other electronic devide ever made....)
We know the earth is slowly moving away from the sun. If we take the rate of speed back, millions of years would have the earth so close to the sun that life would have no chance to begin.
But but but up until the 15th Century the earth was the centre of the universe....what changed?
We find soft tissue in dino bones. Soft tissue could not physically exist in those bones ever with millions of years old bones.
We find imprints in the surrounding rock of what the soft tissue looked like, there is absolutely no Dino skin (or feathers) in existence.

Let the denying BEGIN>>>>>!!
 
you just claimed a Religion was causing hunger, and you are also supporting government promoting hunger due to abortion and social programs.
I am doing nothing of the kind. I am saying all the financial waste because the government is LEAST qualified to deal with it is CAUSING it by not letting people keep their resources. And the idea that women having children is the reason for a growing hunger issue... That's false on its face.
As I said, too fucking stupid to understand.

If you're a single mother with three kids, how much work are you going to be able to do??????????
If you are a single mother of 3, you can still make pb&j sandwiches, there are food banks, even ones that deliver, all over the place (mostly run by Christians and churches, by the way), and we still go back to it's the individual and church responsibility to reach out and care for them when they are in need, not the government.
 
I am doing nothing of the kind. I am saying all the financial waste because the government is LEAST qualified to deal with it is CAUSING it by not letting people keep their resources. And the idea that women having children is the reason for a growing hunger issue... That's false on its face.
lol nice try, keep baking!!
If you are a single mother of 3, you can still make pb&j sandwiches, there are food banks, even ones that deliver, all over the place (mostly run by Christians and churches, by the way), and we still go back to it's the individual and church responsibility to reach out and care for them when they are in need, not the government.
Well next time you're working at the food bank, ask a single mother who was raped and forced to carry a Fetus to term by the government if she agree's.
 
So you acknowledge DNA. DNA studies on the maternal DNA point to a common female descendant, about 100,000 years ago. (note: 100,000 is older than 6,000 to 10,000)
For a lot of these challenges, I will point you to some resources that answer the question better than I can. And since the questions will keep coming, I will point out that you can search the sites on most of these topics

https://www.icr.org
https://answersingenesis.org
Actually none of the above is true, nor does the geological history show it to be even remotely close to reality.
See the above links.
Um, under the tectonic plates ( often termed the crust) is a layer of molten material ( volcano's come from working up through pressure and cracks), called the mantle. Under this layer is the core, which rotates, and is why we have magnetic fields, which the only reason we can use the internet ( and every other electronic devide ever made....)
See above links.
But but but up until the 15th Century the earth was the centre of the universe....what changed?
Oddly enough, the Bible describes a heliocentric universe where the sun itself has its own circuit it runs. We didn't even KNOW about the sun's rotation until recently. The Catholic Church, because it was rooted in paganism, not Christianity, was the power that ignored what the Bible said about it. Thus the persecution of those who said otherwise. People changed, the Bible didn't.
We find imprints in the surrounding rock of what the soft tissue looked like, there is absolutely no Dino skin (or feathers) in existence.
No. We have actually found soft tissue in bone marrow.

Again, I direct you to actual scientists, instead of just my citing them, in the links above.
Let the denying BEGIN>>>>>!!
 
lol nice try, keep baking!!

Well next time you're working at the food bank, ask a single mother who was raped and forced to carry a Fetus to term by the government if she agree's.
Ask the women who were convinced into or had an abortion who now deal with the guilt of that murder every time they see a child whether they disagree. Ask the countless abortionists who have left that very lucrative field in disgust with themselves, who know exactly what abortion is and does if they disagree.
 
Oddly enough, the Bible describes a heliocentric universe where the sun itself has its own circuit it runs.
Show me a citation from the bible (pre 1500) where that is stated.
No. We have actually found soft tissue in bone marrow.
No we have not, and I dare you to find a citation proving that
Again, I direct you to actual scientists, instead of just my citing them, in the links above.
I don't need to be "directed" to scientists... The world if full of physical examples that disprove what you're trying to sell....

Your baking here, it gets a F.
 
Ask the women who were convinced into or had an abortion who now deal with the guilt of that murder every time they see a child whether they disagree. Ask the countless abortionists who have left that very lucrative field in disgust with themselves, who know exactly what abortion is and does if they disagree.
IKYABWAI......the great defence of the weak mind.

Note: I am not denying women make choices they may later regret, that is not the point. The point is, you want to take the right to make choices away, then fail to support those who were forced to do so.
 
Oh the trickle down effect,but instead of Reagan, it's Religion. Well they both start with R....
What were the statistics of Reaganomics?


Total federal outlays averaged of 21.8% of GDP from 1981–88, versus the 1974–1980 average of 20.1% of GDP. This was the highest of any President from Carter through Obama. Total federal revenues averaged 17.7% of GDP from 1981–88, versus the 1974–80 average of 17.6% of GDP.

What were the positive and negative effects of Reaganomics?


The success of Reagan's policies is heavily debated. The US experienced mixed consequences. On the one hand, the real GDP improved by 26% (above 1980 figures), from 13.5%, inflation was brought down to 4.1%, and unemployment dropped from 7.6% to 5.5%. But, on the opposite spectrum, the rich became richer.

(I find that one funny because they admit it was better for everyone, but say, "but the rich got richer", as though things getting better for the wealth creators along with everyone else is a bad thing. 😂)

How did Reaganomics help people?


After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration), lowering interest rates, and added discretionary income from tax cuts sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low.)

Joint Economic Committee Republicans
November 1995
The Reagan Prosperity
The Reagan expansion years marked a period of economic progress for middle class
Americans. Middle class income increased 11 percent after adjustment for inflation, while nearly
20 million new jobs were created. Nonetheless, there are those, such as Secretary Reich, who
have attempted to portray the 1980s as a period of economic hardship and decline for most
Americans.
This paper will rely on data from the Census Bureau to analyze the income growth of the
1980s. The evidence shows that the percentage of households in the low income category
declined during the 1980s, while the proportion of high income households increased.
Furthermore, while the middle class shrank as a share of all households, the reason for this is
upward, not downward, mobility.
Middle Class "Shrinking" Upward
The graph below shows the percentage of all households in low, middle, and high income
categories. During economic decline, household income tends to fall, while during economic
progress, household incomes tend to increase. The 1982-89 expansion conforms to the expected
pattern of income growth during an economic upturn.
The percentage of households in the low income category dropped during the 1980s. This
group comprised 27.5 percent of all households in 1980, 28.5 percent in 1982, and only 25.3
percent by 1989. As a share of all households, the proportion of those with low incomes became
less prominent by the end of the 1980s.
Meanwhile, the percentage of households with incomes over $50,000 jumped from 17.6
percent in 1980 and 1982, to 23.5 percent in 1989. This remarkable increase in the proportion of
high income households is another sign of solid income growth.
Notice how the strong upward mobility has affected the middle category. This group
comprised 55 percent of all households in 1980, 53.8 percent in 1982, and 51.1 percent by 1989.
In this one sense, the middle class did indeed shrink during the 1980s. Is this good or bad?
If the middle class shrinkage had resulted from massive income losses resulting in expansion
of the low income group, it would clearly signal that something was seriously wrong. However, a
review of the data shows that the reverse was happening. Income gains were pushing a greater
proportion of middle class households into the high income category. Of the 4 percentage point
reduction in the middle class percentage between 1980 and 1989, all of it is accounted for by net
upward movement into the high income category.
Conclusion
Liberal critics of the 1980s who argue that the middle class withered are half right for the
wrong reasons. The proportion of middle class Americans did indeed decline, but this reflected
an upward movement of households into the high income category. Meanwhile, the proportion of
low income households declined, as more became middle class. The income growth of the
Reagan years boosted the fortunes of Americans at all income levels.
Christopher Frenze
Chief Economist to the Vice Chairman
 
Copy pasta is fun...next time quote what you paste from your sources and provide the URL.
 
What were the statistics of Reaganomics?


Total federal outlays averaged of 21.8% of GDP from 1981–88, versus the 1974–1980 average of 20.1% of GDP. This was the highest of any President from Carter through Obama. Total federal revenues averaged 17.7% of GDP from 1981–88, versus the 1974–80 average of 17.6% of GDP.

What were the positive and negative effects of Reaganomics?


The success of Reagan's policies is heavily debated. The US experienced mixed consequences. On the one hand, the real GDP improved by 26% (above 1980 figures), from 13.5%, inflation was brought down to 4.1%, and unemployment dropped from 7.6% to 5.5%. But, on the opposite spectrum, the rich became richer.

(I find that one funny because they admit it was better for everyone, but say, "but the rich got richer", as though things getting better for the wealth creators along with everyone else is a bad thing. 😂)

How did Reaganomics help people?


After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration), lowering interest rates, and added discretionary income from tax cuts sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low.)

Joint Economic Committee Republicans
November 1995
The Reagan Prosperity
The Reagan expansion years marked a period of economic progress for middle class
Americans. Middle class income increased 11 percent after adjustment for inflation, while nearly
20 million new jobs were created. Nonetheless, there are those, such as Secretary Reich, who
have attempted to portray the 1980s as a period of economic hardship and decline for most
Americans.
This paper will rely on data from the Census Bureau to analyze the income growth of the
1980s. The evidence shows that the percentage of households in the low income category
declined during the 1980s, while the proportion of high income households increased.
Furthermore, while the middle class shrank as a share of all households, the reason for this is
upward, not downward, mobility.
Middle Class "Shrinking" Upward
The graph below shows the percentage of all households in low, middle, and high income
categories. During economic decline, household income tends to fall, while during economic
progress, household incomes tend to increase. The 1982-89 expansion conforms to the expected
pattern of income growth during an economic upturn.
The percentage of households in the low income category dropped during the 1980s. This
group comprised 27.5 percent of all households in 1980, 28.5 percent in 1982, and only 25.3
percent by 1989. As a share of all households, the proportion of those with low incomes became
less prominent by the end of the 1980s.
Meanwhile, the percentage of households with incomes over $50,000 jumped from 17.6
percent in 1980 and 1982, to 23.5 percent in 1989. This remarkable increase in the proportion of
high income households is another sign of solid income growth.
Notice how the strong upward mobility has affected the middle category. This group
comprised 55 percent of all households in 1980, 53.8 percent in 1982, and 51.1 percent by 1989.
In this one sense, the middle class did indeed shrink during the 1980s. Is this good or bad?
If the middle class shrinkage had resulted from massive income losses resulting in expansion
of the low income group, it would clearly signal that something was seriously wrong. However, a
review of the data shows that the reverse was happening. Income gains were pushing a greater
proportion of middle class households into the high income category. Of the 4 percentage point
reduction in the middle class percentage between 1980 and 1989, all of it is accounted for by net
upward movement into the high income category.
Conclusion
Liberal critics of the 1980s who argue that the middle class withered are half right for the
wrong reasons. The proportion of middle class Americans did indeed decline, but this reflected
an upward movement of households into the high income category. Meanwhile, the proportion of
low income households declined, as more became middle class. The income growth of the
Reagan years boosted the fortunes of Americans at all income levels.
Christopher Frenze
Chief Economist to the Vice Chairman
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Reported. you've been warned enough times.
 
Show me a citation from the bible (pre 1500) where that is stated.
Psalm 19:4–6 (KJV): 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


No we have not, and I dare you to find a citation proving that
https://palaeo-electronica.org/cont... soft tissues that,of collagen in bone matrix.
I don't need to be "directed" to scientists... The world if full of physical examples that disprove what you're trying to sell....

Your baking here, it gets a F.
 
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Reported. you've been warned enough times.
Hmmm... I have responded to you and your crowd. You have spammed every post I make, and every thread, and have flooded the zone. I have simply responded to your positions with my own, citing backing information. So, 1, where is the violation and, 2, how am I guilty of ANYTHING you have not done at length?
 
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