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I can bring up a dozen posts of

I can bring up hundreds of posts of several others, some who rarely post anything BUT pictures they do not own or credit.

I Iggied a couple because that's just about all they ever post.

 

[JaySecrets]

Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar’s

Way out of context. Read what Scripture says about the role of government vs. the role of the individual and the church. That's not a verse that says the government should tax heavily. Not even close to the context. It's a verse that says Kingdom people should pay taxes because there is a proper role for government.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Way out of context. Read what Scripture says about the role of government vs. the role of the individual and the church. That's not a verse that says the government should tax heavily. Not even close to the context. It's a verse that says Kingdom people should pay taxes because there is a proper role for government.

So yes, you should pay taxes.
You’re obviously ok with children starving, which is pretty awful, but that’s just who you are.

 

[JaySecrets]

So yes, you should pay taxes.
You’re obviously ok with children starving, which is pretty awful, but that’s just who you are.

Again, I am not okay with children starving. I oppose the least qualified, most expensive, and most bloated agency, that is the government, being the agency that takes people's money by force to deal with it in the least efficient way where the least amount of money is used for that purpose because everyone in each agency involved wants their cut of the money, and their say in how the little that is left is used. What I support is the government getting out of the welfare business. That way the poor have less taxes taken out, so they have more resources to begin with. What I support is people being able to keep more of their money so they can make the individual choice to use their resources to help others, and use them, whether by individual actions or by donating to the nonprofit or church outreach of their choice, in a way where most or all of those resources are used effectively and efficiently to help those they were given to help, who would be far fewer in need BECAUSE people across the board would be taxed less. I am not for starving children. I am for government getting out of the way so those actually qualified can feed them.

 

[JaySecrets]

So yes, you should pay taxes.
You’re obviously ok with children starving, which is pretty awful, but that’s just who you are.

Regan put it quite pithily when he said, "The scariest words in the English language are,'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Regan put it quite pithily when he said, "The scariest words in the English language are,'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

If they didn’t help there would be more starving kids.

 

[JaySecrets]

If they didn’t help there would be more starving kids.

It's BECAUSE of their "help" there are more starving kids. This is the fundamental problem here. Your solution things is more government, less individual responsibility. The flaw there is that when you turn individual responsibility over to the government, you also surrender your individual liberty. It's the incremental way to tyranny.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's BECAUSE of their "help" there are more starving kids. This is the fundamental problem here. Your solution things is more government, less individual responsibility. The flaw there is that when you turn individual responsibility over to the government, you also surrender your individual liberty. It's the incremental way to tyranny.

What individual responsibility should a 3 year old kid have when God makes that kid starve?

 

[JaySecrets]

What individual responsibility should a 3 year old kid have when God makes that kid starve?

I'm not talking about the child's personal responsibility and you know it. Stop being intentionally obtuse. It's about the parents' personal responsibility to spend their money on food for the child, not toys, cigarettes, vapes, drugs, or alcohol for themselves. It's about the people in the community taking personal responsibility to act to come to the aid of those in need. And it's about the government shrinking so that it isn't taking money out of the pockets of those who desperately need to hold onto every penny, and so that those with means have more resources to help those in need.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'm not talking about the child's personal responsibility and you know it. Stop being intentionally obtuse. It's about the parents' personal responsibility to spend their money on food for the child, not toys, cigarettes, vapes, drugs, or alcohol for themselves. It's about the people in the community taking personal responsibility to act to come to the aid of those in need. And it's about the government shrinking so that it isn't taking money out of the pockets of those who desperately need to hold onto every penny, and so that those with means have more resources to help those in need.

That wouldn’t help a kid that God chose to make an orphan.

 

[JaySecrets]

What individual responsibility should a 3 year old kid have when God makes that kid starve?

And GOD did not make that kid starve. Poor choices by people did.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And GOD did not make that kid starve. Poor choices by people did.

So God couldn’t provide that kid with food if he God wanted to?

 

[JaySecrets]

That wouldn’t help a kid that God chose to make an orphan.

Once again, decisions people make either make that child an orphan or keep them without parents. Funny though, most of the orphanages in the world are run at great cost to themselves by religious people in general, Christians in particular.wrong life choices hurt more than just self. But END that, God would have to remove free will. You wouldn't want that would t?

 

[JaySecrets]

So God couldn’t provide that kid with food if he God wanted to?

He does. He uses people to do it. And I have been that starving kid growing up, because my dad didn't really learn a skill set outside of driving busses, so had to work jobs that didn't pay well back then. It was kind people God used to meet our needs

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Once again, decisions people make either make that child an orphan or keep them without parents. Funny though, most of the orphanages in the world are run at great cost to themselves by religious people in general, Christians in particular.wrong life choices hurt more than just self. But END that, God would have to remove free will. You wouldn't want that would t?

Once again, you’re answering a question you made up.

Does God have the ability to give someone food?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

He does. He uses people to do it. And I have been that starving kid growing up, because my dad didn't really learn a skill set outside of driving busses, so had to work jobs that didn't pay well back then. It was kind people God used to meet our needs

Awesome, so we’re in full agreement. God has the ability to give a starving child food and chooses not to, so God is making the choice to starve children.

 

[RoryN]

 

[RoryN]

Someone's Googling frantically for a response.

 

[JaySecrets]

Awesome, so we’re in full agreement. God has the ability to give a starving child food and chooses not to, so God is making the choice to starve children.

What both of you are asking is, if there is a loving God, why doesn't He stop bad things from happening. First, God DID create a perfect world. But He made mankind for relationship with Him. Relationship, by definition means a choice. Man chose evil and defiled what was perfect.

Look at it this way. If you had a robot that you programmed to tell you it loves you, is that love or a relationship? Of course not. But when your wife or girlfriend looks at you with that look that makes you melt and says, "I love you so much..." THAT'S a love relationship.

Here's the thing. That relationship means choice. It also means she can choose NOT to love you. She can choose to cheat on you. She can choose to rob you and run off with your best friend. Relationship means choice and risk. And those choices have consequences.

God designed for the purpose of relationship with Him. That's why we were made. But that means we need to choose that. When we don't, we are functioning outside what we were designed for. And, like when you use a screwdriver as a hammer you damage the screwdriver, when you function outside your design you do damage to yourself and others.

For God to prevent that, He would have to take away all choice. Including yours. You would have to be reduced to a robot.

Could God eliminate all evil? Of course. But let's play that out. Hitler's mom raised the kid. Gotta take her out too. And the farther back the family line goes... Wait, there was a culture that allowed for a Hitler. Gotta take out Germany. But several other peoples created the climate for that Germany. Gotta take them out too. In trying to prevent a Hitler, we have now eliminated millions of people.

And have you ever done or said things that were wrong and hurtful to others, maybe even seriously hurting them? You gotta go too. No one survives. Now we are back where we started because God has to create all over again, that creation has a choice, and here we go again.

That you attribute to a Holy, Loving God the evil of man ignores two key points, the whole point of Scripture really. One, He is holy and WILL judge that evil rightly. And no one escapes His Judgement. But the standard is perfection, because He is Holy, so no one has a chance. Two, that's why He came to die, to be our Substitute, so that we don't have to bear His Judgement, because He legally fulfilled the penalty for us. And that is the kind of thing a loving God would and did do.

 

[JaySecrets]

No one was Googling. I was typing on my phone.

 

[RoryN]

What both of you are asking is

I thought you were ignoring me.

Oh, that's right - you're a serial liar. Forgot.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What both of you are asking is, if there is a loving God, why doesn't He stop bad things from happening. First, God DID create a perfect world. But He made mankind for relationship with Him. Relationship, by definition means a choice. Man chose evil and defiled what was perfect.

Look at it this way. If you had a robot that you programmed to tell you it loves you, is that love or a relationship? Of course not. But when your wife or girlfriend looks at you with that look that makes you melt and says, "I love you so much..." THAT'S a love relationship.

Here's the thing. That relationship means choice. It also means she can choose NOT to love you. She can choose to cheat on you. She can choose to rob you and run off with your best friend. Relationship means choice and risk. And those choices have consequences.

God designed for the purpose of relationship with Him. That's why we were made. But that means we need to choose that. When we don't, we are functioning outside what we were designed for. And, like when you use a screwdriver as a hammer you damage the screwdriver, when you function outside your design you do damage to yourself and others.

For God to prevent that, He would have to take away all choice. Including yours. You would have to be reduced to a robot.

Could God eliminate all evil? Of course. But let's play that out. Hitler's mom raised the kid. Gotta take her out too. And the farther back the family line goes... Wait, there was a culture that allowed for a Hitler. Gotta take out Germany. But several other peoples created the climate for that Germany. Gotta take them out too. In trying to prevent a Hitler, we have now eliminated millions of people.

And have you ever done or said things that were wrong and hurtful to others, maybe even seriously hurting them? You gotta go too. No one survives. Now we are back where we started because God has to create all over again, that creation has a choice, and here we go again.

That you attribute to a Holy, Loving God the evil of man ignores two key points, the whole point of Scripture really. One, He is holy and WILL judge that evil rightly. And no one escapes His Judgement. But the standard is perfection, because He is Holy, so no one has a chance. Two, that's why He came to die, to be our Substitute, so that we don't have to bear His Judgement, because He legally fulfilled the penalty for us. And that is the kind of thing a loving God would and did do.

You keep changing the topic. No one is talking about men, we’re talking about 3-4 year old kids. Again, what choices are little kids making that God makes them go hungry?

 

[JaySecrets]

I thought you were ignoring me.

Oh, that's right - you're a serial liar. Forgot.

When someone asks the important questions, the ones that have forever consequences, they deserve to have the right answers. I find your beliefs and behavior abhorrent, but I don't hate you. And because God loves you, when you ask those questions about His love... His love for you... I will always answer.

 

[JaySecrets]

You keep changing the topic. No one is talking about men, we’re talking about 3-4 year old kids. Again, what choices are little kids making that God makes them go hungry?

Evil is in the world. That evil is because of man's choices. Those choices harm others or impact others. For God to remove the consequences He would have to remove all choice. Including yours.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Wait ! This God is the same all knowing creature who eliminated almost all of his Creation because HE fucked up?

He killed his own son to make a point that has yet to be accepted by the majority of the People of Earth?

Oh.. and those who believe in Him absolutely are ok with ignoring all science to make reality match His Βιβλίο ?

But? Go ahead get mad at California for protecting any woman’s FREE WILL!!