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LLCox said:
When I took my CC course you had to qualify with forty rounds from your pistol. The guy next to me shot a smilie face in one of his silhouettes. I was impressed.
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I'm in the UK so unfamiar with your courses. What range distance was that at please?
 
LLCox said:
I have no idea what slp is and rifle/carbine does not compute.
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Slp self loading pistol -semi auto for you I guess.
Rifle carbine not needed if it's concealed carriage. You're hardly going to be lugging one of those around in the mall...hopefully.
 
An AR makes an adequate rifle/carbine in my eyes. I prefer the 30 caliber for a battle rifle.


I still want to shoot my recently acquired L-E mark 4 number 1. The half-case of ammo is under the desk. I should clean it and lube it first, I suppose.
 
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The sort of person who can't be trusted with an AR-15 is the sort of person who can't be trusted with a handgun. The sort of person who can be trusted with a handgun is the sort of person who can also be trusted with an AR-15. The argument for banning the AR-15 is asinine. It assumes that there is a segment of the populace who are just rational enough that they can be trusted with one type of killing machine and not the other. That is utterly idiotic. If you're reasonable enough for one, you're reasonable enough for the other. If you're sane enough for one, you're sane enough for the other. The emphasis should be on the type of person, not on the type of firearm.

The other argument, that well, if we get it wrong and they aren't sane enough for either one, we can at least minimize the destructiveness, is also fallacious. Look, Karen, the sort of person who does mass shootings, which are much rarer and a smaller percentage of violent crimes than the news attention to them would suggest, is the sort of person who is not only irrational, but also in a lot of pain, wants to kill as many people with them as they go, and who wants to fucking die. It's suicide by cop, but with additional bodies. They suffer and they want the rest of the world to suffer with them. Also, a lot of them choose these guns because they are presumably poor shots and they know it. They want to make sure that they don't miss. The vast majority of violent gun crimes are still committed with handguns, by the way.

So what happens if they don't get an AR-15 and they still want to maximize their body count? That's easy. A car or a bomb, or maybe a car bomb. These people don't mind dying, of course. They want to die. They're suicidal. They need to be institutionalized, not out on the streets where they can get a firearm in the first place.

Also, I might add, though this puts me at variance with both the candidate that I'm planning to vote for and her camp, I don't fucking trust the federal government with a monopoly on "weapons of war." It has shown repeatedly that it cannot be trusted with such a monopoly. Besides, when the societal collapse happens, I want as many civilians to be as heavily armed as possible, so they can kill bandits, warlords, zealots, and anyone else who wants to try to ride roughshot over them. I don't want ordinary civilians to be victims of their government or a fucking gang or warlord or faction, etc. Also, if the MAGAs are heavily armed, I want to be, too. Just in case.

Also, the sort of person who would turn in their guns at a buyback, whether mandatory or voluntary, is not the sort of person that you need to fear. It's the sort who would simply sell those guns on the black market for much more money, which they probably planned to do, anyway. In other words, you're disarming the wrong people. They are pushing buybacks, though, because it creates the impression of success and better safety, it feels good, but it won't solve the issue. They know that the only other solution, collection and confiscation by means of raid, is not feasible, either. The blowback would be enormous. This just seems the safe middle ground, even if it basically solves nothing at all. These people are essentially motivated by emotion on this issue, not reason. It feels like they are doing something constructive, but they really aren't. Also, 3D printers are going to make gun bans utterly obsolete, completely moot points.

I am a left-leaning independent, but no, I don't lean left on this issue. This issue demonstrates why Democrats struggle with rural communities. They really don't understand how different things are in the rural areas, in which in living memory, people could have gun racks and plenty of guns on said racks in the backs of their pickups at the school parking lot and there not be any mass shootings. At least in my living memory. Why weren't there mass shootings back then? That's the real question, isn't it? Maybe the loneliness and suffering just weren't as extreme in the groups most likely to commit such acts.
 
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SevMax2 said:
The sort of person who can't be trusted with an AR-15 is the sort of person who can't be trusted with a handgun. The sort of person who can be trusted with a handgun is the sort of person who can also be trusted with an AR-15. The argument for banning the AR-15 is asinine. It assumes that there is a segment of the populace who are just rational enough that they can be trusted with one type of killing machine and not the other. That is utterly idiotic. If you're reasonable enough for one, you're reasonable enough for the other. If you're sane enough for one, you're sane enough for the other. The emphasis should be on the type of person, not on the type of firearm.

The other argument, that well, if we get it wrong and they aren't sane enough for either one, we can at least minimize the destructiveness, is also fallacious. Look, Karen, the sort of person who does mass shootings, which are much rarer and a smaller percentage of violent crimes than the news attention to them would suggest, is the sort of person who is not only irrational, but also in a lot of pain, wants to kill as many people with them as they go, and who wants to fucking die. It's suicide by cop, but with additional bodies. They suffer and they want the rest of the world to suffer with them. Also, a lot of them choose these guns because they are presumably poor shots and they know it. They want to make sure that they don't miss. The vast majority of violent gun crimes are still committed with handguns, by the way.

So what happens if they don't get an AR-15 and they still want to maximize their body count? That's easy. A car or a bomb, or maybe a car bomb. These people don't mind dying, of course. They want to die. They're suicidal. They need to be institutionalized, not out on the streets where they can get a firearm in the first place.

Also, I might add, though this puts me at variance with both the candidate that I'm planning to vote for and her camp, I don't fucking trust the federal government with a monopoly on "weapons of war." It has shown repeatedly that it cannot be trusted with such a monopoly. Besides, when the societal collapse happens, I want as many civilians to be as heavily armed as possible, so they can kill bandits, warlords, zealots, and anyone else who wants to try to ride roughshot over them. I don't want ordinary civilians to be victims of their government or a fucking gang or warlord or faction, etc. Also, if the MAGAs are heavily armed, I want to be, too. Just in case.

Also, the sort of person who would turn in their guns at a buyback, whether mandatory or voluntary, is not the sort of person that you need to fear. It's the sort who would simply sell those guns on the black market for much more money, which they probably planned to do, anyway. In other words, you're disarming the wrong people. They are pushing buybacks, though, because it creates the impression of success and better safety, it feels good, but it won't solve the issue. They know that the only other solution, collection and confiscation by means of raid, is not feasible, either. The blowback would be enormous. This just seems the safe middle ground, even if it basically solves nothing at all. These people are essentially motivated by emotion on this issue, not reason. It feels like they are doing something constructive, but they really aren't. Also, 3D printers are going to make gun bans utterly obsolete.
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Basically, yes. It's about the person and not the instrument.
 
SevMax2 said:
The sort of person who can't be trusted with an AR-15 is the sort of person who can't be trusted with a handgun. The sort of person who can be trusted with a handgun is the sort of person who can also be trusted with an AR-15. The argument for banning the AR-15 is asinine. It assumes that there is a segment of the populace who are just rational enough that they can be trusted with one type of killing machine and not the other. That is utterly idiotic. If you're reasonable enough for one, you're reasonable enough for the other. If you're sane enough for one, you're sane enough for the other. The emphasis should be on the type of person, not on the type of firearm.

The other argument, that well, if we get it wrong and they aren't sane enough for either one, we can at least minimize the destructiveness, is also fallacious. Look, Karen, the sort of person who does mass shootings, which are much rarer and a smaller percentage of violent crimes than the news attention to them would suggest, is the sort of person who is not only irrational, but also in a lot of pain, wants to kill as many people with them as they go, and who wants to fucking die. It's suicide by cop, but with additional bodies. They suffer and they want the rest of the world to suffer with them. Also, a lot of them choose these guns because they are presumably poor shots and they know it. They want to make sure that they don't miss. The vast majority of violent gun crimes are still committed with handguns, by the way.

So what happens if they don't get an AR-15 and they still want to maximize their body count? That's easy. A car or a bomb, or maybe a car bomb. These people don't mind dying, of course. They want to die. They're suicidal. They need to be institutionalized, not out on the streets where they can get a firearm in the first place.

Also, I might add, though this puts me at variance with both the candidate that I'm planning to vote for and her camp, I don't fucking trust the federal government with a monopoly on "weapons of war." It has shown repeatedly that it cannot be trusted with such a monopoly. Besides, when the societal collapse happens, I want as many civilians to be as heavily armed as possible, so they can kill bandits, warlords, zealots, and anyone else who wants to try to ride roughshot over them. I don't want ordinary civilians to be victims of their government or a fucking gang or warlord or faction, etc. Also, if the MAGAs are heavily armed, I want to be, too. Just in case.

Also, the sort of person who would turn in their guns at a buyback, whether mandatory or voluntary, is not the sort of person that you need to fear. It's the sort who would simply sell those guns on the black market for much more money, which they probably planned to do, anyway. In other words, you're disarming the wrong people. They are pushing buybacks, though, because it creates the impression of success and better safety, it feels good, but it won't solve the issue. They know that the only other solution, collection and confiscation by means of raid, is not feasible, either. The blowback would be enormous. This just seems the safe middle ground, even if it basically solves nothing at all. These people are essentially motivated by emotion on this issue, not reason. It feels like they are doing something constructive, but they really aren't. Also, 3D printers are going to make gun bans utterly obsolete, completely moot points.

I am a left-leaning independent, but no, I don't lean left on this issue. This issue demonstrates why Democrats struggle with rural communities. They really don't understand how different things are in the rural areas, in which in living memory, people could have gun racks and plenty of guns on said racks in the backs of their pickups at the school parking lot and there not be any mass shootings. At least in my living memory. Why weren't there mass shootings back then? That's the real question, isn't it? Maybe the loneliness and suffering just weren't as extreme in the groups most likely to commit such acts.
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^^^This poster presents simple-minded arguments against stronger licensing requirements for gun ownership and arrogantly poses as a "voice for rationality".

Idiots on parade in the Amerikkkan landscape.
 
coati said:
^^^This poster presents simple-minded arguments against stronger licensing requirements for gun ownership and arrogantly poses as a "voice for rationality".

Idiots on parade in the Amerikkkan landscape.
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I wasn't talking about licensing, but about bans. Let's be clear here. I have no issue with things like expanded background checks, but total bans and buybacks aren't the answer. Don't misrepresent my words.
 
coati said:
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Oh gosh, I feel so owned by you and Wat, and so very afraid.

And now I have to worry about you getting Kamala to own me, also. I suppose that's what I get for contradicting visions of grandeur.

I will simply have to accept my fate.
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Current polls put Trump on track to win not only the election, but the popular vote.

Fate is a-coming and she's got real fangs so you best be getting prepared for the ass biting of a lifetime.
 
Hey, Constitutionally, if you can get letters of marque and reprisal.....you, too, can have a battleship and be a privateer. Good luck getting such letters nowadays, though. Even though we never signed the 1855 Declaration of Paris, we still act as if we did.
 
HisArpy said:
Current polls put Trump on track to win not only the election, but the popular vote.

Fate is a-coming and she's got real fangs so you best be getting prepared for the ass biting of a lifetime.
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I had a conversation with a man at the gas pump day before yesterday. He surprised me about changing the topic to politics and then explaining how he was going to vote for Trump and not "that woman." Hell, I was just buying fuel to finish hauling my new/old car home. He seemed to appreciate our talk.
 
SevMax2 said:
Hey, Constitutionally, if you can get letters of marque and reprisal.....you, too, can have a battleship and be a privateer. Good luck getting such letters nowadays, though. Even though we never signed the 1855 Declaration of Paris, we still act as if we did.
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I think that I should like to have some documents authorizing me to engage in Righteous Retribution. It sounds like it could be fun and profitable.
 
Wat_Tyler said:
I had a conversation with a man at the gas pump day before yesterday. He surprised me about changing the topic to politics and then explaining how he was going to vote for Trump and not "that woman." Hell, I was just buying fuel to finish hauling my new/old car home. He seemed to appreciate our talk.
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You musta been somere's they ain't many highrise buildings.

Somehow a visible horizon let's you actually see what's going on around you both physically and metaphorically. In my neck of the woods there are Trump flags galore in the housing tracts. The mobile home parks are all Harris/Walz signs. Which ought to tell you something about the minds of people who cluster together and why they do it.
 
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