What is a Gorean Master?

[saw_man1]

Click and continue after you GO AWAY your cuntaminion of this thread is sickening.

Please annoy some members of your family or people in your life who pretend to like you

And don't forget to click!

Is this you normal modus operandi? If you don’t know what that means, Google it. You insult women on the GB and then you insult women here.

You may be a miserable fucking coward but at least you’re a consistent one.

 

[rydia57]

There's lots of Gorean rooms on that site called "The Palace". I have a friend whose into that stuff. Gave me an ebook to read called "Tarnsman of Gor". They don't carry books on that in the library. I couldn't get into it... from what I've noticed Gor is mostly (mostly) a men's society thing. Women with free wills are not allowed. They exist, but they don't like them there. It doesn't seem like it's BDSM to me. A Gorean master... a man who owns a house and men women as slaves, I guess.

 

[naughtygirl69s]

I'm not really sure there is a "classification" of dominance that is clear cut.

There are those who use dominance as a romantic expression of their Love for their partner; there are those who are wickedly sadistic; there are those into high protocol; there are those who aren't.

Have you surfed the Library pinned at the top of the forum? Another option is to give a synopsis of how you view dominance, and someone might be able to point you in a particular direction for researching/asking questions.

what is "high protocol"

 

[CutieMouse]

what is "high protocol"

I've always thought of relationships which involve lots of ritualistic stuff as being "high protocol".

I attended a Leatherfest weekend seminar once, and there were BDSM houses (one master, multiple slaves and submissives), where everyone wore a uniform, submissives/slaves had been trained to stand a certian way, they were to ask permission to speak in public, and to become a member of their house, one had to spend X amount of time training, memorizing house rules, etc etc etc. It was rather militaristic...

I also think of Victorian influenced households when i think of relationships heavy on protocol... class systems (Lord/Lady and submissives), proper ways of acomplishing daily tasks, etc.

Not my cuppa, so I may be way off in my assessment of such things...

 

[naughtygirl69s]

I've always thought of relationships which involve lots of ritualistic stuff as being "high protocol".

I attended a Leatherfest weekend seminar once, and there were BDSM houses (one master, multiple slaves and submissives), where everyone wore a uniform, submissives/slaves had been trained to stand a certian way, they were to ask permission to speak in public, and to become a member of their house, one had to spend X amount of time training, memorizing house rules, etc etc etc. It was rather militaristic...

I also think of Victorian influenced households when i think of relationships heavy on protocol... class systems (Lord/Lady and submissives), proper ways of acomplishing daily tasks, etc.

Not my cuppa, so I may be way off in my assessment of such things...

ahh, gotcha, wayyyyyy toooooo extreme for my tastes.

However, if you would have asked me 5-6 years ago, if I had an interest in BDSM I would have ran away crying

 

[Etoile]

Straight-up answers, no bull.

What is Gor? Well, as you've read, it's based on some pulp science fiction novels written some time ago. Fans of Gor model their BDSM lifestyle after that shown in the book. There are some Gor groups out there, but they are the minority in the kink world. To be honest, a lot of people deride Gor without understanding it. I'm one of them, I guess, because I think it's awfully silly. It is extremely high protocol (see below) and it doesn't have much basis in reality - which it shouldn't, because it was from a science fiction book! (It's kind of like Trekkies who form clubs to learn Klingon and live a Klingon-type lifestyle...they're following something made-up. The difference is that Star Trek is more respected than Gor, because the latter is considered pulpy or trashy by many.) But the people who are into Gor are often really into it, and the rest of us just look the other way. As for people asking for Gor in the personals, I suspect most of them aren't really looking for a Gorean-type relationship. They may want elements of it, but I think very few people actually follow Gor to the letter.

What is high protocol? Gor is a high protocol lifestyle. So is leather, or at least it can be. High protocol means that things are based on pomp and circumstance, and rules up the wazoo. These rules are often micromanagement type rules more so than in "lower protocol" BDSM relationships. In the gay leather community, there is a hierarchy of service - in order to become a Top, you must first serve as a bottom; to become a Sir you must first be someone's boy, etc. Not all leathermen and women adhere to this, but there are definitely plenty out there who do. In Gor, there are strict rules about what women can and cannot do, and what they must and mustn't do. There are a few exceptions - I believe there are "Freewomen" or something to that effect - but even they do not have the full rights of the men. Gorean women must present themselves in certain positions before their Master, they must learn certain techniques, etc. To say something is "high protocol" indicates that there are a lot of rules newbies must learn to do well in the lifestyle.

 

[Aeroil]

Only ever met one gorean master. He had an irritating tendancy to refer to me as "worm" that I wasn't so fond of.

Gor seems to definately have a mainstream culture and many different offshoots, mainly created because the mainstream Gorean culture takes the stance of being dicks to people who have an interest in being Gorean yet who don't fit their... criteria.

If you are interested in some ppl to talk to, the IRC network irc.bondage.com has a bunch of Gor channels.

As far as arguing with Rose goes, good for you, the Internets is Serious Fucking Business and should be treated as such.

srsly, she's sort of a forum favorite, odds are against you if you wanna start a yelling match. Ignore her.

Also, I see a girl in this thread who not only picked her name after Rydia but is also able to recognize that being a geek is a badge of honor. XELEBES GET AWAY SHES MINE.

 

[chris9]

I'm seeing this phrase pop up.

With this question no wonder you were told to google it. It does not sound like wanting personal views or anything like you described in your other posts, but just basic information you could find on your own.

 

[Marquis]

I did but I want to hear it from people I post with for more dynamic and personal responses.

You don't have to explain yourself bro, if they don't like your thread they can click on the next one.

My opinion?

Think: "Scientology of BDSM"

 

[Marquis]

I've not noticed many Gorean BDSM followers at Lit... or at least if they are here, IMO they've not posted much.

I've noticed the same.

I'm convinced it's because Gorean makes no sense and very few people have the kind of bullshit skills necessary to defend it eloquently.

 

[Marquis]

Shaq to my knowledge there aren't too many, if any, Goreans here except for Kajira Callista and she can speak for herself should she choose to.
You asked a question politely and you should be answered in kind, unfortunately that is often not the case here in Lit.

Fury hon, with all due respect, I think Rose is quite capable of holding her own here. Your response smacks of cliquishness.

You can't say that about Fury!

She was Lit BDSM Homecoming Queen two years in a row!

 

[Marquis]

Cati hon, with all due respect, I know she is quite capable of holding her own, as am I. However sometimes it's awfully nice when someone stands up for you anyway once in a while, ya know? Cliquishness is not how I see it at all. In a society someone has to stand up and say, no that is not acceptable here or some people will think no one cares or minds. Lettting things like this go by without saying something can been seen as endorsing it, which I do not.

Look, I've maintained relative peace with ADR after she suddenly decided we were enemies when I became a moderator, and while not wanting to aggravate things, I feel the need to "stand up" too.

ADR consistently makes passive-aggressive attacks on people in an attempt to incite them into flaming her. Then she can play the victim and receive attention pretty much the only way she knows how, through sympathy.

How often have we seen this?

ADR: "Oh it doesn't matter, nobody likes me...."
Good Samaritan: "Stop it, we love you ADR! You're one of our favorites!"

Enough already.

A poster who doesn't even come here often asked for info on Gorean and got it. How about we show him some fucking respect by contributing to his discussion or pissing off.

ADR, at this point I'm sure you're contemplating a temporary "Leaving Lit forever" so everyone can send you wonderful PMs begging you to stay, rejoicing when you return and making me look like the bad guy.

Browse through the thread archives and ask yourself if you think I give a fuck.

 

[chris9]

And we've been doing so well so long without any major drama

 

[Aeroil]

And we've been doing so well so long without any major drama

 

[chris9]

So I have to leave my home.

 

[Betticus]

Kind of like the renaissance fair of bdsm I think. I've never met one so I can only assume.

 

[saw_man1]

Straight-up answers, no bull.

This post is a perfect example of why I consider you one of the most informative, articulate, and pleasant voices on this site.

Thank you.

 

[Etoile]

Kind of like the renaissance fair of bdsm I think. I've never met one so I can only assume.

I think the Scientology comparison was more accurate. Renaissance faire types usually know they're just playing a role and having fun, while Scientologists (and Goreans) take themselves way too seriously.

Also, Aeroil, totally stealing the dramallama, w00t!

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Straight-up answers, no bull.

...(It's kind of like Trekkies who form clubs to learn Klingon and live a Klingon-type lifestyle...)

Ding-Ding-DING! The lady gets it right in one!

Goreans are to BDSMers what Klingons are to Science Fiction fans. People trying to base their lifestyle, philosophy, world-view, belief system, what have you, on the fantasy world of someone else.

Gor is a hodgepodge collection of bits and pieces of culture and philosophy swiped from civilizations throughout history. There are bits of feudal Japan, lots of Greco-Roman influence, Native American, Egyptian, Minoan, etc, etc, etc. And yes, "John Norman" (it's a psuedonym used by a professor who teaches at a liberal arts college in the Northeastern US). has appeared as a guest at science fiction conventions. I saw him at Dragon*Con several years ago...

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've not noticed many Gorean BDSM followers at Lit... or at least if they are here, IMO they've not posted much.

There have been a few who have dropped in from time to time, but most left when we didn't bow down in submission to their perceived superior ways and beings....and a few who just found it difficult when they tripped up and showed they did not actually practice what they preached to us as their own true way. It is difficult to live the plot of a series of books to the letter when the ways exercised in that literary work don't always conform to the laws of the land, not to mention make living very difficult without having an excessive amount of energy to waste keeping track of it all.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

You can't say that about Fury!

She was Lit BDSM Homecoming Queen two years in a row!

*fluffs hair*

That would be like totally awesome! Too bad no one told me before now. I want that crown, I've always wanted one of those babies.

*pouts*

My opinion of what happened here is much different from yours and it hasn't changed.

Fury

 

[Aeroil]

*fluffs hair*

That would be like totally awesome! Too bad no one told me before now. I want that crown, I've always wanted one of those babies.

*pouts*

My opinion of what happened here is much different from yours and it hasn't changed.

Fury

beat me out by THIS much, too.

 

[FurryFury]

beat me out by THIS much, too.

Damn! If only I'd known! It's every little girl's dream after all to be a homecoming queen. Who accepted for me? Who got to go on stage?

*sniffles*

Is there a scepter? I could enjoy having one of those too . . .



Fury

 

[Marquis]

 

[FurryFury]

Whoa. Cool. I have a staff not unlike that!



Fury