What is a Gorean Master?

[Kajira Callista]

I don't know. My sub and her family are all Italian and they describe themselves as proud ginos.

ginzos

 

[Etoile]

Hey Aeroil, I wonder - do you recognize the origin of the "dangerous to go alone" macro?

 

[bronntanas]

Much to his surprise I have read the books on-line and found many aspects of a fantasy realm that caters to the idealism that women are all slaves eventually.

Humor also has it that the author.. John Norman ( pen name only) was very much a submissive himself as he wrote stronger as the slave then the Master.

So now it is almost two years later.. my status.. I'm a free woman

go figure

I didn't like the Gor novels because they were extremely restrictive in their roles. I don't follow the theory that submission is based on plumbing. This "deep in their hearts, all women yearn to be slaves" things is silly, to me. YMMV.

I don't think it's fair to say that he is a submissive because he wrote the role so well, especially when he has attempted to publicly distance himself from all the Gor/BDSM crossover. Those who attempt to live by his philosophies seem to embarrass him. But male authors have been writing believable female characters for some time: this does not make them women. A female friend told me that Arthur Golden's portrayal of Sayuri (in Memoirs, discussed elsewhere in this forum) was right on the money as far as the way women relate to each other and their emotional responses. Flaubert wrote Madame Bovary and felt such a strong identification with his female character that he was physically ill when he killed her off. (She was poisoned with arsenic.) To take the analogy further, some of the most fully developed characters in Lord of the Rings were hobbits. Was Tolkien a hobbit? Many successful authors write what they know, but many do their homework and learn it (whatever it may be) secondhand, and write extremely it well.

 

[bronntanas]

This is actually a post-script to the above.

There's been a lot of hurt feelings and anger flying about this thread, so just to let you know, I'm NOT attacking landiek. I don't know her very well, I just had a respectful response to her comments. YMMV, it's my opinion only.

 

[Aeroil]

Hey Aeroil, I wonder - do you recognize the origin of the "dangerous to go alone" macro?

I really should, but I don't, my best guess is an early Zelda game.

 

[Marquis]

I really should, but I don't, my best guess is an early Zelda game.

Woah, I think this dude says that to Link when he first gives him a sword. You're too young to know about the first Zelda.

Why are we calling these pictures macros, anyway?

 

[Aeroil]

They are called Image Macros , ED gives an excellent background. and FYI I played the first Zelda.

 

[Etoile]

Yep, it's the original Zelda! I'm delighted that you and Marquis knew it. I only got to play it a couple of times when I was a kid. My mom wouldn't buy me an NES, so I had to use one at a friend's house, and Zelda was a one-player game so I usually ended up watching, ha! But I have enjoyed it many times since then, both on an old NES and by emulation.

Oh, and my friend never ever let me touch her Power Glove. Dammit!

Wikipedia has an article on image macros, too.

 

[ghosst_K&H]

A "Gorean Master" is someone who has read every Gor book...Twice


I too have had a run in or two with a Gorean "Master" and his "Free Companion", and the only thing that stopped me from breaking his Gorean neck, was Holly & Karen's pity on the poor fool.

 

[shy slave]

A "Gorean Master" is someone who has read every Gor book...Twice


I too have had a run in or two with a Gorean "Master" and his "Free Companion", and the only thing that stopped me from breaking his Gorean neck, was Holly & Karen's pity on the poor fool.

Thank you ghosst for making me laugh, and it is good to see you.

I miss seeing the SweetDommes as well

 

[Etoile]

A "Gorean Master" is someone who has read every Gor book...Twice


I too have had a run in or two with a Gorean "Master" and his "Free Companion", and the only thing that stopped me from breaking his Gorean neck, was Holly & Karen's pity on the poor fool.

Yes indeed, it is very good to see you! Yours is a face far too rare around these parts.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

Well this is an interesting bit of info. I was on a BDSM personals site and Goreans seemed all the rage but judging from the response of this site they aren't all that popular.

I'll have to do more research.
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Gorean Masters seem to have a superoity complex. I have dealt with a bunch in chat rooms. They seem to think that the world revolves around them.

Otherwise it seems to be a Sci-Fi spin off of BDSM.

 

[landiek]

A "Gorean Master" is someone who has read every Gor book...Twice


I too have had a run in or two with a Gorean "Master" and his "Free Companion", and the only thing that stopped me from breaking his Gorean neck, was Holly & Karen's pity on the poor fool.

Well there are a few that read them more then that .. I know cause I breifly served one.. He has nearly a complete collection but I have seen him read them over and over to answer questions

There are a rare few that know the books without quoteing "scripture"

 

[chantilly_lace]

smiles, we all have a right to out own opinions.

Personally i tried to read one of the Gor books and couldn't finish it . didn't even get past the first 2 chapters. It left me with the same feelings i had prior to picking one of the books up to read, it is all based on one man's fantasy and has little to do with reality as far as BDSM is concerned.

But, i have met many who have been Gorean trained in the past and are strong believers in Gor, feeling it is not fantasy but a real 'lifestyle' (i hate the term) just as real as those who call themselves Master, Dom, Top, bottom, submissive, slave in the other realms of BDSM.

So in reality it is a personal choice, and if it is the way you wish to be, then all the power to you smiles.

i didn't check to See if this link is on here already, but it may be of interest to anyone wishing to know more about Gor

 

[Etoile]

I guess I feel the same way about the tenets of Gor as I do about some of the things people involved in FemDom say.

In Gor, women simply are inferior. It's not even their own fault, it's just how things are. In some FemDom circles, men simply are toads. Some may be "paying for" being chauvinists, but some feel that women are just superior to men and that's the way it is. (I guess this could extend to ethnic/racial differences, too.)

I don't buy into either one because I can't accept the default inferiority or superiority of any one group based on gender or race. Some women are submissive...some women are dominant. No one class is universally better than the other.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's why I don't like Gor. It's that whole "women are automatically lesser, men are automatically better" thing. I mean, who said that? Did God decide that? Did John Norman? Is John Norman God? Who said that and why should I believe it?

I am an atheist, and I believe all people are equal unless they themselves make the choice to be superior or inferior. (And as Eleanor Roosevelt said, nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.)

 

[Penalt]

I've read several of the Gorean novels and in the early part they were a nice fantasy tale with heavy bdsm. Hence the attraction to me. The first novel I would recommend to just about anyone. But later on in the series the entire 'women are animals because they are women' thing just completely turned me off. A friend of mine who has looked into this told me that after the first few novels John Norman tried renegotiating his contract with the publishing company.

He didn't get what he wanted so he decided to try to 'poison pill' the novels by going to ridiculous extremes. He thought that after the next couple of novels he would be released from the contract. He was completely shocked when they took off in sales. So, he went even further and the novels still sold. After that the publisher picked up the option on the contract and he was obligated to write the rest of the novels or have his ass sued off. He apparently will never write another one barring bearing offered ludicrous sums.

Which may happen.

 

[controllinghand]

In Gor, women simply are inferior. It's not even their own fault, it's just how things are. In some FemDom circles, men simply are toads. Some may be "paying for" being chauvinists, but some feel that women are just superior to men and that's the way it is. (I guess this could extend to ethnic/racial differences, too.)

I don't buy into either one because I can't accept the default inferiority or superiority of any one group based on gender or race. Some women are submissive...some women are dominant. No one class is universally better than the other.

Yes, the dangerous things that can come of ideologies that assume some people are naturally inferior to others by nature or God's will has been abundantly demonstrated by...well....most of human history. Predictably enough, it's the male Gorheads who seem to be most enthusiastic about the natural superiority thing.

It always struck me as odd that sensible people would base a "lifestyle" on the mysogynist fantasies of a 3d-rate novelist, anyway, but as Grandma always said, "There's no accounting for tastes."

 

[rosco rathbone]

It always struck me as odd that sensible people would base a "lifestyle" on the fantasies of a 3d-rate novelist, anyway, but as Grandma always said, "There's no accounting for tastes."

Scientology comes to mind.

 

[Kajira Callista]

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