What is a Gorean Master?

[naughtygirl69s]

Oh, no, I don't know that I agree with that. If I reclaim a word, I'm doing it for its positive meaning. I still retain the right to be offended if someone says it in a negative way. For example, "gay." My wife and I refer to all manner of things as gay - the cats are gay, my mom is gay, etc. But we're not using it in a derogatory way - it's more a term of endearment. We have non-gay friends who use it the same way we do, and that's fine by me. But if somebody uses it as an invective - that's SO gay, as a mild example - then that's not okay with me.

I guess that's what it's about for me: how it's used. If you're going to use the term in a positive or neutral way, that's one thing. And the people who are more likely to use words in positive ways are the people to whom the words apply. Outsiders are less likely to use them positively.

THis is so fucked up. You can't say you're using the word in a non-offensive way, only to be offended when someone says it THAT way.

If the term is offensive to you, don't use it. Or just quit being so sensitive when other people use it.

Unless someone specifically says something TO MY FACE to intentionally hurt me, I am almost NEVER offended.

 

[saw_man1]

For clarification purposes only, and yes I'm still lurking. It wasn't that Aeroil used the term "ngga" jokingly, granted that was bad enough...but that people believed that I had actually made that post and Aeroil had indeed saved it. That surprised me and from this I learned how little respect I am given and how little I am thought of here. Even my idiot of a hubby thought I had done it....definite issues there. We won't be together much longer I can tell you that.

What I believed and what I assume any intelligent person should have believed, was that that Aeroil saved your original post sans the racial slur and added the slur himself.

The racial slur in question was sufficiently different in appearance and writing style that I assumed that he added it for the sole purpose of trying to make you look bad.

How could anyone here really believe that you would say something like that? The answer is that I dont think anyone who matters did.

 

[cati]

Thanks Sawman for your post, I appreciate it more than you know...smiles.
Again this thing has gotten so out of hand and I've certainly learned a lesson from it. Now...is anyone up for a game of beach vollyball?

 

[Etoile]

You can't always tell somebody's intent, tone mirrors that.
if my intent is to mock you and I agree in a normal tone, obviously I'm not making my intent known to you. If my intent is to mock you and I agree in Image macro form, then that's an excellent use of tone to show my intent.

Example:

I feel very sad for you....

Hmmmmm. Okay. I dunno. Words are funny things, which is why all I have to say is...

 

[Etoile]

THis is so fucked up. You can't say you're using the word in a non-offensive way, only to be offended when someone says it THAT way.

If the term is offensive to you, don't use it. Or just quit being so sensitive when other people use it.

Unless someone specifically says something TO MY FACE to intentionally hurt me, I am almost NEVER offended.

I'm not going to belabor the point, because I've already explained my perspective clearly. Perhaps other people relate to words in a different way than my friends and I do. I'm okay with that, and I don't use those words around them. My mother is one example, so it's not strange to me that some people are less flexible with language. In fact, it's something that regularly comes up in my job. It's just the way life is - some people are one way, some people are another.

 

[shy slave]

For clarification purposes only, and yes I'm still lurking. It wasn't that Aeroil used the term "ngga" jokingly, granted that was bad enough...but that people believed that I had actually made that post and Aeroil had indeed saved it. That surprised me and from this I learned how little respect I am given and how little I am thought of here. Even my idiot of a hubby thought I had done it....definite issues there. We won't be together much longer I can tell you that.

In my opinion using the term nigger is usually used jokingly among blacks. In the psot it was used in very bad taste.
ie. a black female co-worker of mine teasingly said "she (me) just called me a nigger" and yes we laughed...she laughed louder tho'
and no I didn't call her a nigger... I might if we were very good friends

PS> Italians would never call each other "wop".

I came back from a really wonderful week away.
I had not had access to the net during the entire week.

Once home I sat down at the puter and started reading all I had missed.

I was shocked and stunned at odd bits and pieces on Lit, but none more so than this thread.

In fact I was so stunned I went back and re-read some other posts of cati before convincing myself Aeriol was being moronic.

What further amazed me was how it appeared that many people found his behaviour acceptable. I am not ageist but FFS he has been here for longer than he legally should have been, therefore he should realise you simply DON'T pull a stunt like that.

I, and others have been told off many times posting without due respect to SSC in case newbies or lurkers misunderstand.

Instead of Marquis engaging with Aeroil he should have pulled the post.

The level that Lit has sunk to then made me decide not to post, but sit back and read until people stopped biting each other.

However I caved in and posted, what happened? My post was misinterpreted by someone I have alot of respect for and I ended up apologising.

So, cati, did I believe you put that?
For an instant, yes I did. Then common sense prevailed and I realised that you had been taken advantage of in a very nasty and underhand way.

I am not going to start whining and saying I will leave Lit, but I do need some distance from people who do not act when they see racist remarks being hidden in the guise of humour.


Oh and I agree with EG. In UK and US law you can't have it both ways. It is either a racial slur or it is not.

 

[Kajira Callista]

PS> Italians would never call each other "wop".

Yep they do but then whoever just called the other a wop usually gets smacked in the back of the head

 

[Etoile]

Instead of Marquis engaging with Aeroil he should have pulled the post.

I'm not sure if I agree with that or not. Literotica is founded on free speech, and moderators can get their peepees smacked if they edit something inappropriately. And yet...a lot of this could have been avoided if a quiet edit had been made. So I don't know which it is.

shy, nice to see you.

 

[shy slave]

I'm not sure if I agree with that or not. Literotica is founded on free speech, and moderators can get their peepees smacked if they edit something inappropriately. And yet...a lot of this could have been avoided if a quiet edit had been made. So I don't know which it is.

shy, nice to see you.

Pulled edited whichever fits.

Free speech is a great thing, a wonderful amazing thing but in my mind it stops long before people get hurt.

IF, this had been a scam set up by cati and Aeriol then it would have sat better with me, but to use cati as a means for vicious humour and bringing upset into somones life is unwarranted and nasty.

Aeroils joke now has people looking at catis' integrity, not Aeriols (something I cannot comprehend), plus it has cati questioning how much her husband actually understand her as a person.

Not a good situation all because free speech was too free. Aeriol needs to understand that humour has consequences.
I am not a Domme but frankly I would like to beat him around the back of his head until he apologises to cati.

 

[Marquis]

As far as I can tell Hooper and I are the only black people in this thread and I for one can say I'm not offended. Not even a little bit. I can't speak for Hooper, but keep in mind that his avatar and handle are both taken from a comically militant black comic book artist from the movie Chasing Amy, I believe. One of those Jay and Silent Bob flicks. I think he added the X as a Malcolm X reference, sort of the cherry on the ice cream of poking fun at himself for being so militant. Given this, I think his input would say a lot. If he doesn't care, I really think we can safely file this incident under "not worthy of caring about".

I wouldn't have been offended if Cati had been the one to use the expression, although I never had to deal with that reality for even a moment because it was so painfully obvious that Aeroil added this on his own.

Watching so many of you get caught up in thinking it was Cati, then believing Aeroil added the phrase to the quote with the intention of deceiving, has been like watching a whole room full of people fall for the same practical joke. I can see why you'd want to band together and say it's not funny, but the yolks on you, truly.

For the record, it's not only not my job to edit the content of people's posts unless they violate the rules, it would be an abuse of my power to do so. Of course, I have done it, a few rare times, with people I was comfortable with enough to know they wouldn't get offended. See how conditional insults can be? I'm not sure if you guys followed the election, but the time for absolutist thinking has ended.

However, I can do this.

I'm so sorry guys, I can't believe I did that. It was a major mistake and I apologize to you all. I shall be enrolling in racial sensitivity classes immediately.

Thanks, Aeroil!

Very big of you to say that.

 

[cati]

Italians won't call each other wop Cati? That's interesting. I certainly heard it used around my Sicilian family members in New Orleans often enough when I was growing up.


My mistake.

 

[saw_man1]

If what he did is not against the current rules then you need to change the rules. No one should be allowed to maliciously misquote someone else. It's not right.

For the record, it's not only not my job to edit the content of people's posts unless they violate the rules, it would be an abuse of my power to do so. Of course, I have done it, a few rare times, with people I was comfortable with enough to know they wouldn't get offended. See how conditional insults can be? I'm not sure if you guys followed the election, but the time for absolutist thinking has ended.

 

[Marquis]

If what he did is not against the current rules then you need to change the rules.

OK buddy, I'll get right on that.

 

[callinectes]

sigh..I shoulda stayed out of this from the get go, but i put my two cents worth in and now I appear to be a bad person because I didn't jump up and down over the obviously embellished quote.

For the record..I did not for a minute think Cati said that, it was obvious that Aeroil added to it. I also didn't think what was added was all that horrible. I live the in the semi-rural South in an area that is well populated with minorities of various heritages. I have black friends that say 'nigga please' TO ME and I am as waspy as they come...blacks say it to blacks, mexicans to whites, whites to blacks, etc... But it is always within the context of humor. Maybe it's a regional thing but it's just not a big deal where I come from.

I also agree with Marquis, if anyone has a reason to be offended, it's him and Hooper. If they are okay, why is everyone else up in arms?

Another thought..it never occurred to me the Aeroil added the comment to make Cati look bad..it was too obvious to even consider. I have not been around Lit long and am not clued in (nor do I want to be) on any past dramas, etc. So, ignorance on my part may have contributed to my lack of outrage. I don't tend to pay much attention to post counts and join dates, so I remain unaware of a lot.

 

[saw_man1]

I also agree with Marquis, if anyone has a reason to be offended, it's him and Hooper. If they are okay, why is everyone else up in arms?

Because Cati is offended! That was her post and those were not her words. That’s the point here.

 

[shy slave]

Because Cati is offended! That was her post and those were not her words. That’s the point here.

Yep, that is the point for me.

People seem to have forgotten it was catis post Aeriol screwed up for sick humour

 

[ammre]

So gorean culture.. that stuff is just a little too harsh for me. I've been tempted to read the books just for the shock value it will offer me.
If i saw a bdsm personal with gorean stuff attached i'd probably run or maybe poke it from a distance to try and understand why.

I do a Mideavel battle reenactment thing in Pa. called Pennsic. there's a group there called the tuchux. That anmes originates form a Gor novel. Although if you are one of the morons who start saying stuff about them being about sex and bdsm they will probably tie you to a tree naked somewhere and you'll be lucky to be found. They try to distance themselves from the novels especially the sexuality. One thing i have noticed though is they dfinatelly have a very strong gender system. they are one of the "barbaric" tribe like troups that come to the wars. You have to be strong or you probably won't even make it as a wench (women = wenches, men = dogs). they too have a bunch of inter clan rules.

but back to gor int he bdsm sence. Nope, not for me.

 

[shy slave]

For the record, it's not only not my job to edit the content of people's posts unless they violate the rules, it would be an abuse of my power to do so. Of course, I have done it, a few rare times, with people I was comfortable with enough to know they wouldn't get offended. See how conditional insults can be? I'm not sure if you guys followed the election, but the time for absolutist thinking has ended.

If that is the case (and yes I do know the six rules), why do the White Aryan Master threads get pulled everytime they appear?

I don't like those, but if they vanish why do other racist comments stay?

Or is this moderation in moderation?

 

[Marquis]

If that is the case (and yes I do know the six rules), why do the White Aryan Master threads get pulled everytime they appear?

I don't like those, but if they vanish why do other racist comments stay?

Or is this moderation in moderation?

First of all there are 12 rules.

Those threads get pulled becase they are spam.

 

[callinectes]

Because Cati is offended! That was her post and those were not her words. That’s the point here.

Now that I can understand. I was of the impression people were upset by the remark...not that they were upset on behalf of Cati.

 

[cati]

For the record...sigh. I need to apologize to my "idiot dolt of a husband" for calling him that in this thread... I was really hurt and pissed off at him.
I do know who my friends are here...thanks all.

ummm sooooo what was this thread originally about?

 

[O'Mac]

Yep they do but then whoever just called the other a wop usually gets smacked in the back of the head

I don't know. My sub and her family are all Italian and they describe themselves as proud ginos.

 

[Aeroil]

Encyclopedia Dramatica will give me a medal for this.

Okay, why won't I apologize?

Because the problem with racism or any form of prejudice is people who senselessly hate other people for no true reason. It is a spreading of hatred and hatred is a poison that only infects more as it goes.
When you get all huffy over semantics like this, you are totally demeaning and making a mockery of that problem.

Labels that run amok seem to plague this forum, I must say.

Now, Cats!

 

[Aeroil]

Because Cati is offended! That was her post and those were not her words. That’s the point here.

You can't give offence, you gotta take it man :3

 

[landiek]

Wow talk about a surprise

I thought that only Alt mentioned Gor.. go figure

Well once a upon a time I was a Gor slave.. the training is something that goes beyond explaining but the Man that was my Master had collected the books ( still does)

As a prespective slave I had to read "Captive of Gor" and "Slavegirl of Gor"

Much to his surprise I have read the books online and found many aspects of a fantasy realm that caters to the idealism that women are all slaves eventually.

Humor also has it that the author.. John Norman ( pen name only) was very much a submissive himself as he wrote stronger as the slave then the Master.

So now it is almost two years later.. my status.. I'm a free woman

go figure