What pissed you off today?

[midwestyankee]

Especially if you put a hair in each one.

I'm not sure I should admit it, but this put a monster smirk on my face. Well done.

 

[midwestyankee]

You're right, Sir Winston. Maybe I should knit everyone some underpants just to make it interesting.

Here's an alternative idea:

 

[bhndblueyes88]

The Tassle is a nice touch...

 

[LallyH]

Leaving the house at 5.30 am to come to work, and having to spend 10 minutes scraping the ice off my car before I could get in it.

I'm sure I should have 'people' to do this for me....

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Leaving the house at 5.30 am to come to work, and having to spend 10 minutes scraping the ice off my car before I could get in it.

I'm sure I should have 'people' to do this for me....

They're called children.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I'm only going to include one sentence from the story, the whole of which is accessible through the headline link below:

Christian rescue mission bans Kansas atheists from volunteering at Thanksgiving

“Kansas City Rescue Mission has decided to use the meals they deliver as a chance to proselytize to its recipients by inserting religious literature into the meals,” the [Kansas City Atheist C]oalition noted. “They informed us that we ‘would not be a good fit’ (emphasis theirs) for volunteering with them, and declined to respond to any further inquiries.”​

 

[bhndblueyes88]

I'm only going to include one sentence from the story, the whole of which is accessible through the headline link below:

Christian rescue mission bans Kansas atheists from volunteering at Thanksgiving

“Kansas City Rescue Mission has decided to use the meals they deliver as a chance to proselytize to its recipients by inserting religious literature into the meals,” the [Kansas City Atheist C]oalition noted. “They informed us that we ‘would not be a good fit’ (emphasis theirs) for volunteering with them, and declined to respond to any further inquiries.”​

While I think this is incredible un-Christian of them, hypocritical, and ridiculous, there are plenty of homeless/hungry organizations to volunteer with in the Kansas City area. Looking at their website, I'm not sure why an atheist would want to hazard one's sanity to volunteer with them in the first place.

Silver Lining: At least now no atheist will have to suffer these idiots.

 

[Laurel]

To alleviate server load, we're slowly closing down any threads with over 5,000 posts. You are free to continue this topic as a new thread. Should you do so, please PM me with a link to both the old and new threads, and I will place a link in this post so that others who follow this thread will be able to find the new one.

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Please note that these threads are not being removed - just closed to new posts.

Thank you for your patience and kind understanding!

 

[Laurel]

To alleviate server load, we're slowly closing down any threads with over 5,000 posts. You are free to continue this topic as a new thread. Should you do so, please PM me with a link to both the old and new threads, and I will place a link in this post so that others who follow this thread will be able to find the new one.

As annoying as this may be, phasing out all or most of the active super-long/never-ending threads will increase the forum speed substantially. If you see a thread that's active with more than 5,000 posts, please feel free to PM me with the link.

Please note that these threads are not being removed - just closed to new posts.

Thank you for your patience and kind understanding!

Edit: The thread has been continued here.

 

[hisdarlingslut]

that the Dear X thread is closed lol!
where can i unload my angst....?

sincerely wish it was on his head.
preferably in the form of large amounts of manure or rectangular red building materials!

 

[Stella_Omega]

So, a trans guy of my acquaintance is dealing with a disgustingly hostile practicum; he's been called "tranny" "he-she" and whore in the one week he's been there. Can we guess this is a Xtian fundamentalist center?

And can we guess what the response has been, of the Christian guys in that group?

"Remember, not all Christians are like this... Don't blame all Christians..."

Please, folks. Don't go giving orders to someone who has been insulted. What good do you think you're going to do?

Of course, I spoke up-- and of course, someone told me they thought I was offensive, and people were only trying to apologise. More offensive than calling someone a tranny whore?

"I'm sorry some Christians use religion as an excuse to be psychopaths" is acceptable.

"It's not my fault" is not an apology.

 

[DVS]

So, a trans guy of my acquaintance is dealing with a disgustingly hostile practicum; he's been called "tranny" "he-she" and whore in the one week he's been there. Can we guess this is a Xtian fundamentalist center?

And can we guess what the response has been, of the Christian guys in that group?

"Remember, not all Christians are like this... Don't blame all Christians..."

Please, folks. Don't go giving orders to someone who has been insulted. What good do you think you're going to do?

Of course, I spoke up-- and of course, someone told me they thought I was offensive, and people were only trying to apologise. More offensive than calling someone a tranny whore?

"I'm sorry some Christians use religion as an excuse to be psychopaths" is acceptable.

"It's not my fault" is not an apology.

If you're trying to get along with Christians, using "Xtian" really doesn't help. I know some Christians are assholes, but pissing them off after they piss you off isn't going to change anything. Everybody just stays pissed.

 

[Stella_Omega]

If you're trying to get along with Christians, using "Xtian" really doesn't help. I'm know some Christians are assholes, but pissing them off after they piss you off isn't going to change anything. Everybody just stays pissed.

Calling a licensed mental health therapist who is their co-worker, a tranny, a he-she and a whore is small beans, compared to using a contraction (which has been in use hundreds of years, from the Greek Xtos) when discussing the issue, gotcha.

Good one, DVS. I'm so impressed with your sense of proportion.

PS-- When have you ever ever gotten the impression that getting along with assholes is any sort of priority of mine?

 

[DVS]

Calling a licensed mental health therapist who is their co-worker, a tranny, a he-she and a whore is small beans, compared to using a contraction (which has been in use hundreds of years, from the Greek Xtos) when discussing the issue, gotcha.

Good one, DVS. I'm so impressed with your sense of proportion.

PS-- When have you ever ever gotten the impression that getting along with assholes is any sort of priority of mine?

I lost about 99% of my faith in the structured mental health world when years ago, a friend of mine was just about to graduate with such a degree. He was quite intelligent and very open minded, and I considered him a great addition to the mental health field.

One day, when I was visiting him in California, he took me to meet a married couple. I took it that they were friends of his. After we left their house, I just said that they seemed like nice people. Without any hesitation, he said the wife "enjoys pain...being beaten for sexual enjoyment". He said he couldn't "accept that kind of sexual desire, perversion". In essence, he thought one or both of them were mentally ill because she liked receiving pain and he liked dishing it out.

This came out of the blue. We weren't talking about sex, perversions or anything like that. Then, he just as quickly changed the subject and that topic of conversation was over. I don't know if I didn't have the reaction he expected, or if he just wanted to make a point, after I'd said I thought they were nice people.

I didn't know what to say. We'd had long philosophical talks about life's struggles over the years. Here I had considered him so open to alternate lifestyles. Then, I hear such a closed minded comment from him.

He doesn't know of my sexual perversions. None of my vanilla friends do. In fact, I think to this day he assumes I'm rather naive and/or timid, when it comes to sex in general, because I never married. In many people's minds it seems that "not married" equals "no sexual experience", "gay", "lesbian" or just "not sexually mature".

As a friend, he's still someone I have long conversations with when I see him, but because he lives several states away, those long philosophical talks have taken a back seat. I don't see him as open minded as I once did.

So, Christian, agnostic, atheist or just closed minded, if you don't understand another person's wants and desires and accept them for what they are, you have no place in a field where you might judge their choices and even see them as mentally ill or demented.

And, name calling on either side of a dispute never accomplishes anything. It's only a quick personal ego boost. You might already have your opinions made and only you can say whether those opinions are justified, but name calling only further separates two, who might otherwise come to at least understand one another. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I doubt you actually understand what I've been talking about.

 

[DVS]

I doubt you actually understand what I've been talking about.

First, I want to say I appreciate that you said you doubt I understand what you've been talking about. You'd be surprised what I understand, when you can explain it without the emotion and slang.

Calling ANYBODY a tranny, a he-she and a whore is not acceptable. But, if you're not a Christian, you can't say using X instead of Christ doesn't bother Christians just as much.

Diplomacy is what you don't understand. You were quick to offend the offending party right back, when they offended you and your friend. That's probably why they said you were being offensive...because you were. You aren't looking to understand the other side or even explain to them what you were so upset about or how it felt to be on the receiving end of their comments.

Using the X instead of Christ tells me you are most likely an atheist. There's nothing wrong with that. I was an agnostic for a very long time. You have a right to believe or not believe. But, those who believe also have their rights. Unless you can rationally communicate with them what you find offensive, you're never going to get anywhere with those who don't feel the same way as you do, and visa versa.

You wear your emotions on your sleeve and you're quick to shoot down people that offend you. And those on the other side that were spewing out the "tranny", "he-she" and "whore" comments were idiots, but they make those comments because it pisses you off. They enjoy making you mad. And this particular episode has probably escalated too far to be resolved anyway.

But what I'm trying to say is, neither side was helping their position by acting as they were. Of course, you'll never change and they'll never change, so life goes on, until somebody gets so pissed that they hurt somebody.

OK, I'm done, now. I need my nap.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wow!

I guess you're right!

You do need a nap.

You're dreaming all of those things you think must have happened.

You don't know jack shit about the actual incident, where I was involved or whether or not I used the term "Xtian" in the conversation-- I did not. What makes you think I would, besides the presumptuous, assumptive little story in your brain?

You want to talk about diplomacy, dear? "Stella, I hope you didn't use 'Xtian' in the original conversation."

"Of course I didn't, DVS, I'm much more diplomatic than that. I'm just reporting what pissed me off in the 'what pissed you off' thread."



It's over, the gentleman in question is leaving that place. The Minister asked him why he was doing recovery therapy, and he replied "To help the least of us." The man turned purple and disappeared into his office. One person, the one that said "tranny" apologised to him.


But give me your advice, because I often talk to people quite like you, with just about the same level of comprehension.

When someone says that a group of religious co-workers have denigrated and abused him, bolstered by the words of their minister, and when that particular type of religious group is widely accounted to behavior of this sort, what would be the first thing out of YOUR mouth?

_____________

If the first thing out of YOUR mouth is "Not all Christians are like that" How do I rationally explain to you that you are making excuses for yourself and have tried to silence the genuine and real actual thing that really happened to someone-- by Christians who really are like that-- and that it's time to rethink your priorities if you want my respect?

How would I go about phrasing that, please?


_________

And since we are on the subject, how offensive is "X" to a Christian, on a scale of one to ten, with one being "I was just digging for a reason to ignore your grievance and make it about me instead," and ten being "It's actually pretty much the N word to us Christians"?

 

[DVS]

Wow!

I guess you're right!

You do need a nap.

You're dreaming all of those things you think must have happened.

You don't know jack shit about the actual incident, where I was involved or whether or not I used the term "Xtian" in the conversation-- I did not. What makes you think I would, besides the presumptuous, assumptive little story in your brain?

You want to talk about diplomacy, dear? "Stella, I hope you didn't use 'Xtian' in the original conversation."

"Of course I didn't, DVS, I'm much more diplomatic than that. I'm just reporting what pissed me off in the 'what pissed you off' thread."



It's over, the gentleman in question is leaving that place. The Minister asked him why he was doing recovery therapy, and he replied "To help the least of us." The man turned purple and disappeared into his office. One person, the one that said "tranny" apologised to him.


But give me your advice, because I often talk to people quite like you, with just about the same level of comprehension.

When someone says that a group of religious co-workers have denigrated and abused him, bolstered by the words of their minister, and when that particular type of religious group is widely accounted to behavior of this sort, what would be the first thing out of YOUR mouth?

_____________

If the first thing out of YOUR mouth is "Not all Christians are like that" How do I rationally explain to you that you are making excuses for yourself and have tried to silence the genuine and real actual thing that really happened to someone-- by Christians who really are like that-- and that it's time to rethink your priorities if you want my respect?

How would I go about phrasing that, please?


_________

And since we are on the subject, how offensive is "X" to a Christian, on a scale of one to ten, with one being "I was just digging for a reason to ignore your grievance and make it about me instead," and ten being "It's actually pretty much the N word to us Christians"?

I doubt you actually understand what I just said.
I'm so funny. I'm here all week!

 

[Netzach]

Like pissed off non-Christians have simply not considered this "catching flies with honey" thing. Bullshit also attracts flies. I'm sorry but one person's offended is not equal to a systematic, millenia old system of oppression of others wherever they are encountered.

If you're Egyptian and Coptic, I'm all ears about your oppression. But inevitably, these people are not.

Has anyone questioned the morality of turning the other cheek and forgiveness when it's being IMPOSED on people who are not Christian in their every waking response to injustice? The culture we live in is so Christian dominated you don't even realize you're soaking in it.

I do not have to treat my enemies in such a way as to invite them to harm me over and over and over again. If you think that's good policy, have fun with it yourself.

 

[midwestyankee]

I doubt you actually understand what I just said.
I'm so funny. I'm here all week!

I'm really curious how you think Stella managed to speak in abbreviations in a face-to-face conversation. That would be quite remarkable, don't you think? Almost miraculous, you might say.

 

[DVS]

I'm really curious how you think Stella managed to speak in abbreviations in a face-to-face conversation. That would be quite remarkable, don't you think? Almost miraculous, you might say.

OK, I don't know where you got this, because we both know that's impossible. If you want to clarify what you mean, I'll try to do the same.

 

[DVS]

Like pissed off non-Christians have simply not considered this "catching flies with honey" thing. Bullshit also attracts flies. I'm sorry but one person's offended is not equal to a systematic, millenia old system of oppression of others wherever they are encountered.

If you're Egyptian and Coptic, I'm all ears about your oppression. But inevitably, these people are not.

Has anyone questioned the morality of turning the other cheek and forgiveness when it's being IMPOSED on people who are not Christian in their every waking response to injustice? The culture we live in is so Christian dominated you don't even realize you're soaking in it.

I do not have to treat my enemies in such a way as to invite them to harm me over and over and over again. If you think that's good policy, have fun with it yourself.

Nobody knows what Stella said to "offend" these people except Stella. But, whatever it was, it wasn't necessary or right, just as what those others said wasn't necessary or right. This isn't as deep as you'd like to make it seem on the side of one or the other. It's just two opposing views, neither of which really accomplished anything other than to temporarily satisfy their egos.

I don't know why we are even trying to hash this out any further. Stella isn't going to change any more than those idiots who offended her friend are going to change. That's my point. If nobody is ever going to sit down and talk these issues out, we're left to confrontations exactly like Stella's.

Actually, I think we're probably beyond the sitting down and talking stage. Maybe they should just pick up guns and shoot it out. Isn't that how everybody solves their problems, these days?

 

[Netzach]

Nobody knows what Stella said to "offend" these people except Stella. But, whatever it was, it wasn't necessary or right, just as what those others said wasn't necessary or right. This isn't as deep as you'd like to make it seem on the side of one or the other. It's just two opposing views, neither of which really accomplished anything other than to temporarily satisfy their egos.

I don't know why we are even trying to hash this out any further. Stella isn't going to change any more than those idiots who offended her friend are going to change. That's my point. If nobody is ever going to sit down and talk these issues out, we're left to confrontations exactly like Stella's.

Actually, I think we're probably beyond the sitting down and talking stage. Maybe they should just pick up guns and shoot it out. Isn't that how everybody solves their problems, these days?

You're operating from the idea that attacking someone for existing and failing to consider the feelings and sensibilities and sensitivities of the person who JUST attacked you for existing - that these are somehow morally equivalent. That's insane. It's not just an opinion piece like "I hate purple" to call someone the things Stella's acquaintance got called.

"No True Scotsman" fallacies are completely played out at this point, there is no reason that any GLBT person should have to watch their tongue lest the fee fees of the people who are actively dehumanizing us at every possible opportunity be offended. I don't think anyone has to get shot, I just don't think anyone HAS to sit down at the table and sing kumbaya with people who think you're a subhuman.

Actual Jesus fans will understand why we're less than enamored with the crap-ass wannabe Jesus fans, and will actively demonstrate that this kind of thing is not OK with them when we're not in the room, not just play perpetual peacemaking middle child games "oh that's just HIM, that's just HER and you need to overlook what happened to you again."

 

[BiBunny]

Actual Jesus fans will understand why we're less than enamored with the crap-ass wannabe Jesus fans, and will actively demonstrate that this kind of thing is not OK with them when we're not in the room, not just play perpetual peacemaking middle child games "oh that's just HIM, that's just HER and you need to overlook what happened to you again."

^^^^^

All that, right there.

Bunny, a Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, and occasional Zoroaster fan

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Night floor nurses who think it's perfectly okay to speak in the hall or in a double occupancy room in a normal tone/volume of voice at 3:45 a.m., and then to open the bathroom door and peer in without knocking or announcing themselves just because one's foot brushed the wastebasket as one entered. FFS, it's STILL 3:45 a.m.; WTF is going to be 100% stable/steady on their feet?