What to do when the Majority can't handle a Minority of One

[Stella_Omega]

Persecution comes in many forms.

I bet that someone making their eggs over-easy instead of sunny-side-up is persecution for you.

 

[BLoved]

No wonder my perfectly consensual wallet play with H chapped his nuts.

As I recall, it is your opinion that "slavery isn't slavery" unless you're making money out of it.

I think that worth noting when you speak of casual 'bdsm'.

 

[where]

I am not part of a mob of thirty people harassing the hell out of one individual because he doesn't believe what I believe.

that doesn't make sense. who is the mob of thirty, and why would they be harassing someone if they have a different belief system to you.

Persecution comes in many forms.

there you go again, being grandiose.

I'm beginning to wonder if half the problem isn't just the way some forms of BDSM seem to have a rigid 'system' and hierarchy. If you demand people live by that system then you will find people kick against it, just as they kick against the 1950s concept of the nuclear family.

 

[BLoved]

I bet that someone making their eggs over-easy instead of sunny-side-up is persecution for you.

I think you're going to have to step up your game, considering how long I've been dealing with trolls like you.

You will have to do a lot better if you want to overshadow the death of my family.

Having dealt with that, I can cetainly deal with whatever harassment you wish to dish out.

 

[Cattypuss]

I think you're going to have to step up your game, considering how long I've been dealing with trolls like you.

You will have to do a lot better if you want to overshadow the death of my family.

Having dealt with that, I can cetainly deal with whatever harassment you wish to dish out.

Scuse me while I roll about laughing at the idea of Stella, of all people, as a "troll".

Stella is one of the most respected and well-liked members of this forum and has been for, like, ever.

Oh but hang on - Stella must be a troll if BLoved says so. Silly me.

 

[BLoved]

that doesn't make sense. who is the mob of thirty, and why would they be harassing someone if they have a different belief system to you.

Sorry, but the 'deer in the headlights' thing just isn't going to work.

I'm beginning to wonder if half the problem isn't just the way some forms of BDSM seem to have a rigid 'system' and hierarchy. If you demand people live by that system then you will find people kick against it, just as they kick against the 1950s concept of the nuclear family.

If you want to insist bdsm must include abusive behaviour, that is up to you.

My definition for bdsm excludes abuse.

If that is too "rigid" for anyone's tastes, they are free to say so.

Harassment and persecution is just as good an admission.

 

[BLoved]

Scuse me while I roll about laughing at the idea of Stella, of all people, as a "troll".

Stella is one of the most respected and well-liked members of this forum and has been for, like, ever.

Oh but hang on - Stella must be a troll if BLoved says so. Silly me.

A troll amongst trolls ... where is there conflict in what I've said?

 

[Cattypuss]

A troll amongst trolls ... where is there conflict in what I've said?

Hang on, are you suggsting that we are a community of trolls and you are the only non-troll here?

Delusional psychosis at its most alarming, frankly.

 

[BLoved]

Hang on, are you suggsting that we are a community of trolls and you are the only non-troll here?

Delusional psychosis at its most alarming, frankly.

lol

Ask a question, don't wait for an answer and then judge me guilty.

Kangaroo court.

I don't think the honest folk have much trouble recognizing the trolls in this group. I've been warned about them several times.

 

[Cattypuss]

This would be funny if i wasn't so sick.

 

[Netzach]

My definition for bdsm excludes abuse.

Says the career abuser we nailed in about five seconds.

If you can't get the ones who like to be peed on to let you pee on them, you just convince the fucked up ones that it's a small sacrifice in the name of LOVE. I see.

Wolf/lamb is very accurate. It's really a pain trying to isolate them from the others so you have a shot.

LOVE which is consensual, cooperative, and communicated is anathema to you, because it's no longer emotional blackmail you can use to satisfy a pervy boner with a non-pervy woman.

 

[BLoved]

This would be funny if i wasn't so sick.

I agree.

Why thirty people should decide to persecute one man because he doesn't believe what they believe is most certainly some kind of symptom of dysfunctional attitudes towards others.

 

[BLoved]

Says the career abuser we nailed in about five seconds.

~smile~

Sorry, Netzach, but you will have to up your game too.

I stepped forward knowing full-well what was out there. I am not afraid of my past, nor ashamed of it. The reports out there are no different than if every word I've written here was erased and only those of you and your fellow mobsters was left.

Clearly I said something back then, and someone went to a lot of trouble to erase it.

Just as I have no doubt you and your pals would be more than happy to erase a few discussions involving me.

Or don't you think your need to silence me is obvious to everyone here?

 

[where]

Sorry, but the 'deer in the headlights' thing just isn't going to work.



If you want to insist bdsm must include abusive behaviour, that is up to you.

My definition for bdsm excludes abuse.

If that is too "rigid" for anyone's tastes, they are free to say so.

Harassment and persecution is just as good an admission.

no... your sentence doesn't make sense in the context of the discussion. maybe it's a typo.

bdsm doesn't have to include abusive behaviour, but abusive behaviour exists in every type of relationship, including regular 'til death us do part' vanilla ones. the issue is how one chooses to define abuse. It seems to me that your definition of 'abuse' is far wider than others definition of abuse.

now you can of course pull the old false consciousness theory, and in many cases I'm sure you could be right, but in something like personal and, frankly kink-driven, relationships that doesn't hold much water for the majority. We are not talking about a universal type of relationship here, but very specifically bdsm, which even further removes the false consciousness theory because most non-bdsm relationships consider bdsm to be inherently abusive. Therefore if you don't want to be in an abusive relationship, then you should not be in a bdsm one.





~awaits the flames~

 

[Netzach]

~smile~

Sorry, Netzach, but you will have to up your game too.

I stepped forward knowing full-well what was out there. I am not afraid of my past, nor ashamed of it. The reports out there are no different than if every word I've written here was erased and only those of you and your fellow mobsters was left.

Clearly I said something back then, and someone went to a lot of trouble to erase it.

Just as I have no doubt you and your pals would be more than happy to erase a few discussions involving me.

Or don't you think your need to silence me is obvious to everyone here?

Believe it or not, Beebs, I'm one of the people who has no interest in erasing a trace of your gems. I am absolutely committed to a person's right to be a jerk and other people's right to call them on it. Whereas you seem to conflate this with censorship.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Scuse me while I roll about laughing at the idea of Stella, of all people, as a "troll".

Stella is one of the most respected and well-liked members of this forum and has been for, like, ever.

Oh but hang on - Stella must be a troll if BLoved says so. Silly me.

You know what ,though-- way back in 2002, in the early days of the internet-- I was part of a forum (of sci-fi fans in that case, and like this one we talked about everything under the sun) and I got on the wrong side of the core posters. I said some stuff, they said some stuff, I said some stuff. One man said one really nasty thing to me. Got right up my nose. I thought the rest of the forum should be appalled at what he had said, grr. He should be PUNISHED DAMMIT for being SO MEAN to such a nice lady like me.

I even started a thread with a title much like this one.

To my great surprise, the individuals on the forum felt that I had it coming with my needling and nagging.

I tried to convince an entire forum that they were wrong and I alone was right. Oh boy, what a martyr I became! Needless to say it was an exercise in complete futility, and, because fighting like that is NOT, in fact, fun or satisfying in anyway to me, I left that forum.

Bloved, if you REALLY thought the 'casual bdsm community' was abusive, you would be OUT in the real world GOING to munches, GOING to play parties, all ready to grab and protect those poor little abused subs-- the REAL PEOPLE, not the ones in your imagination.

But... you don't. And we all know why. If you walk into a rooom and announce that everyone in the room is an asshole, you get a lot of insulted people that you just called an asshole and the bouncer bounces you. Lucky boy! YOU just found a room where you can call everyone an asshole, and no one can punch you in the real face and there are no bouncers...

 

[BLoved]

now you can of course pull the old false consciousness theory,

I will need you to elaborate on this theory and how you see it applying here before I can respond to it.

 

[BLoved]

Believe it or not, Beebs, I'm one of the people who has no interest in erasing a trace of your gems. I am absolutely committed to a person's right to be a jerk and other people's right to call them on it. Whereas you seem to conflate this with censorship.

Persecution.

Censorship is but one of many manfestations of persecution.

Vote-rigging is a form of censorship.

 

[BLoved]

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Stella, you continue to be confused as to who I am addressing here.

I'm not trying to convince anyone in the mob ... I recognize addiction when I see it.

I'm addressing those who are not yet addicted.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella, you continue to be confused as to who I am addressing here.

I'm not trying to convince anyone in the mob ... I recognize addiction when I see it.

I'm addressing those who are not yet addicted.

Ah, that. The million lurkers, yeah.

That explains why you constantly update your threads, even when you have no recent comment to rebut with another cry of "persecution!"

You're filibustering!

let me repeat;

Bloved, if you REALLY thought the 'casual bdsm community' was abusive, you would be OUT in the real world GOING to munches, GOING to play parties, all ready to grab and protect those poor little abused subs-- the REAL PEOPLE, not the ones in your imagination.

 

[FloggingMolly]

Just tomake a point, not all of us here would ever vote someone's story down because they'd fallen out with that person. I have never said that I -don't- like your writing style, or think that you aren't a good storyteller, which is why I gave you a 5 on part one, and left the comment anonymously. I haven't read the other parts yet.

Whatever else you may think of me, I don't vote badly on people's writing for stupid reasons, just as I would expect people not to do the same to mine.

 

[where]

I will need you to elaborate on this theory and how you see it applying here before I can respond to it.

I'm getting a bit bored of this, partly because I don't see you shifting even on iota, which is a bad place to be in.

false consciousness is a theory (marxist) that suggests that people don't accept they are being oppressed. It was used a lot in feminist writing way back and is just as applicable now for the new crop of bright young things who would argue that feminism has no meaning for them.

Now what is interesting with it being used in a feminist context is that it can directly be applied to submissives, the large part of which are female. this is why bdsm is seen as being inherently abusive by much of the 'nilla society. Subs are in a state of false consciousness and are therefore being oppressed by patriarchy etc etc etc... I think the feminism sub thing has been done to death here already.

So you are viewing what you call abuse as false consciousness on the part of the subs in the casual bdsm scene in the same way that the 'nillas call abuse as false consciousness on the ~whole~ bdsm scene, your version included.

now if you are claiming ~your~ type of bdsm is not actually abusive and there is no false consciousness on the part of the subs with whom you are interacting to the 'nillas, then it is just as feasible that the subs and doms who are on the casual scene can also claim that they are not in abusive relationships and there is no false consciousness.

another point to ponder. I'm guessing from what you have said you are probably a lot older than many people here. you must be aware that society changes. you did things as a young person that to your parents generation would be thought shocking. The same goes now. I listen to young people's views and attitudes to sex and I'm shocked at times. for many young people sex is not some kind sacred emotional bond. it's fun. it's sport and they treat it like that. So whilst casual sex of any kind may be anathema to you and subject to emotional damage, for much younger people there are not those hang ups about it any more.

whether that is a good thing or a bad thing I have no clue. instinct tells me it's a good thing. personally i would like to have sex that did not involve conflicting feelings of guilt and repression. I think I would be a lot happier.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Just tomake a point, not all of us here would ever vote someone's story down because they'd fallen out with that person. I have never said that I -don't- like your writing style, or think that you aren't a good storyteller, which is why I gave you a 5 on part one, and left the comment anonymously. I haven't read the other parts yet.

Whatever else you may think of me, I don't vote badly on people's writing for stupid reasons, just as I would expect people not to do the same to mine.

Why on earth should you care about what he thinks of you?

He doesn't think-- of you. You're not a real person to him.

 

[FloggingMolly]

I don't mind what he does or doesn't think of me, I'm just stating a fact. Whether he, or anyone else, thinks anything positive or negative about me isn't a problem to me. It's something I wouldn't do to someone's hard work unless I genuinely thought it was riddled wth spelling/grammer errors, or poorly composed. If I read something, think it's well written, and liked it, I don't mind if it was written by Santa, the Easter Bunny, Hitler, or my Dog.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't mind what he does or doesn't think of me, I'm just stating a fact. Whether he, or anyone else, thinks anything positive or negative about me isn't a problem to me. It's something I wouldn't do to someone's hard work unless I genuinely thought it was riddled wth spelling/grammer errors, or poorly composed. If I read something, think it's well written, and liked it, I don't mind if it was written by Santa, the Easter Bunny, Hitler, or my Dog.

See, that's very ethical.

Personally, I can't stand his writing style-- one sentence per paragraph is so trite. It's not narrative, it's haranguing.