Homburg
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Yeah, selling their cars? That some REAL ethics. Boy howdy, gotta love them "love-based BDSM" ethics.
What to do when the Majority can't handle a Minority of One
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Yeah, selling their cars? That some REAL ethics. Boy howdy, gotta love them "love-based BDSM" ethics.
FloggingMolly
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which is why if you voted it low, thats fair play. I've no doubt that if you didn't like what I'd written, you'd be just as fair
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Via Etoile's earlier post;
Bringing this to the front;
1997, the FAQ mentioned earlier:
Quote:
Folks,
Those of you curious about the recent dump of wulf-spew into a.s.b, and also
*anybody* tempted to believe any part of Wulf's angst-ridden fictional
quest-spam might wish to read this special a.s.b edition of our standard Woofie
FAQ to get a bit of perspective, hm? The FAQ was created in
alt.personals.bondage to explain the woof-critter to new users there who might
be wondering why this idiot posts his 38 part quest-spam (it's been as long as
47 parts) more or less continuously - up to 8 parts and sometimes nearly 1400
lines per day!
If you're not interested, my apologies for wasting even this small amount of
bandwidth.
The following questions are compiled from email addressed to me over the past
month or so. Most of the questions were private, although some of them were
also posted to the a.p.b newsgroup, as is the case with our lead-off and MOST
frequently asked question:
1. Who the &%$#! is WULF?
Wulf appears to be an obsessive individual who apparently is living alone in
rural Ontario, probably somewhere west of the town of Jasper.
Wulf claims to be a "master" searching for a submissive female partner, his
"beloved", who is required to conform to a list of some very rigid (and probably
very unrealistic) requirements. These requirements are detailed in an endless
personal manifesto titled "Wulf's Quest." This is a very romanticized document
presently subdivided into thirty-eight or more parts totaling about 1/3
megabytes of text weakly disguised as a personal ad, and designed to entice the
interest of inexperienced submissive women.
Wulf claims to be a professional writer, but apparently has been out of work for
some time and living in a state of poverty. In a couple of reported cases, he
has attempted to get "beloved" candidates to give him title to their cars so he
could sell the cars to meet living expenses.
2. Where the %^&#$ did this idiot come from?
Wulf first appeared on the internet about a year ago, with a series of more or
less conventional CHUDWAH style personals. For example, here's the
end of his ad dated 4/27/96:
> ...you may apply to me at W...@rc.toronto.on.ca. You will prepare for me a
>500+ word essay about you and your need to be a slave. You
> will provide me with your e-mail address and your phone number.
> I'm waiting...
> Master Wulf
A year later, wulf is still waiting. However, the internet soon found out that
this was no COMMON chudwah. Within weeks, wulf began posting the
early beginnings of his manifesto as a series of ads and articles describing
himself among other things as "brilliant and wise" and bragging that he was a
self-made master living "on the edge of society."
For his personal philosophy, Wulf presented most of the standard chudwah
fantasies - isolating his submissives from contact with the" outside world" and
reducing their intellectual and emotional environment to whatever substance he
alone would provide. He castigated mainstream Dominants as being insincere
pretenders, imitators of his own superior style of mastery
During this early series, he slipped back and forth between a voice describing
his view of slavery and one directly addressing his submissive audience, as in:
> She is willing to be your footstool, your urinal, your whipping post, your horse.
and
> You wonder how Master can love you or cherish you when he uses your
> body as a urinal or a whipping post.
He also briefly alluded to a presumably real life experience with an
unidentified live-in slave:
> From this experience I developed other techniques to prevent my slave from
> reading my thoughts and anticipating my actions.
Over a period of weeks and months, Wulf elaborated on this early comment until
the present story of "little lamb" appeared. Despite the apparent evolution of
the story, there does appears to be some evidence that the woman "little lamb"
actually existed, and that wulf's efforts to mold her into the pattern of his
"beloved" essentially drove her into a nervous breakdown.
Wulf claimed 16 years of experience, but most of the ideas he presented had long
been understood by the mainstream BDSM community to be unhealthy for real women
in a real-life long-term master/slave environment. Within a week, wulf had come
under severe criticism for his ideas. In response to the critique, wulf
(characteristically) counter-attacked.
His innate sense of personal grandeur led him to post explanatory articles with
titles such as "Wulf Speaks to Humanity." His "personal ad" changed from "Wulf
Seeks Subs" to "Wulf Seeks Lambs", and doubled in size. He justified himself by
insisting that all realities are equally valid, especially his own.
During the late spring of 1996 the situation in alt.sex.bondage deteriorated.
Confronted with the repetition ad nauseum of wulf's blend of personal angst,
biography and romantic fiction proposed as a valid BDSM philosophy and disguised
as a personal ad, various individuals in a.s.b took matters into their own
hands. Wulf's newly announced website was apparently attacked by hackers as
well as his mailbox at W...@rc.toronto.on. He disappeared from the net for a
few days and reappeared as W...@fox.nstn.ca, where he remains today.
Essentially driven out of a.s.b, he has found a haven in alt.personals.bondage,
where the transient nature of the users has provided a certain amount of
reduced-hassle security for him.
3. So does this guy have a life or what?
It seems arguable whether wulf has a "real life" in the sense that most users of
a.p.b might understand. He prides himself on being a loner located outside
mainstream BDSM, and his posts give little evidence of any current face to face
interaction with people other than a woman he calls "vicki" or "painslut."
Apart from going fishing, he has very little to do during the day but visit the
internet. He has been known to post thousands of lines of the same repetitive
unaltered text in a single day. During one three day period not long ago, wulf
singlehandedly posted over half as many lines of text to alt.personals.bondage
as ALL COMMERCIAL SPAMMERS COMBINED during the same period!
4. So why not just live and let live?
Wulf commits two basic continuing offenses in alt.personals.bondage:
First, he uses the group in an inappropriate manner, spamming the group by
posting and reposting over and over the same huge personal manifesto, most of
which remains unchanged from its initial posting. For example, in Quest-spam
No. 14, wulf is still describing a root cellar he used as a dungeon when he was
living in Toronto last summer. Similarly, his references to time are
meaningless - a reference to something happening last week may actually mean
last Summer, if it actually happened at all.
Alt.personals.bondage is intended as a newsgroup for personal ads, not a
presentation forum for endlessly detailed personal
philosophies/biographies/therapies, no matter what the perpetrator may call
them. There is no justification for wulf to hog so much bandwidth for himself,
and plenty of evidence that his spamming is an annoying ineffective waste of
resources. Imagine how congested and unusable the newsgroup would become if
every user claimed wulf's prerogative and posted in wulf's manner.
Second, wulf intentionally targets inexperienced submissive women for his
attentions. This is a group (as most genuine Doms know from having to deal with
submissives who have been injured by wulf-like critters) which is the most
vulnerable to predators who talk the talk, but actually walk a much darker and
more dangerous walk.
Wulf's romantic fiction has enough legitimate BDSM substance to mislead people
with limited real life experience. Significantly, wulf isolates himself from
the general BDSM community, and NONE of his supporters come from the ranks of
those with any significant real-life BDSM experience.
Is this a sign of a Grand Conspiracy against wulf? Actually, just the opposite.
It's the sign of an individual so out of touch with how BDSM actually works that
he can't hold his own against more knowledgeable people. Despite wulf's
accusations, his critics here are likewise not part of any coherent "plot" -
just ordinary individuals with individual gripes about wulf's misuse of the
newsgroup. Wulf's designation of "goons" includes almost anybody who has
publicly criticised wulf in any way for any reason.
5. What about all wulf's accusations about various people?
Wulf's basic style is to look at his own deficiencies and attribute them to
other people. If you want to know what wulf's personal insecurities are, look
at the accusations he makes toward others, both in his quest-spam and in his
more interactive personal attacks. He knows where his weaknesses are and
typically seeks to bolster himself by trying to tear others down to or below his
own level.
In interactive dialog, he typically reacts in copy-cat/big-lie mode - i.e., if
somebody calls wulf a dolt, he will respond by calling that person a dolt, not
once, but over and over, elaborating his response with other misrepresentations
and outright fabrications about the other party's behavior or motives. When
asked to substantiate his attacks, he ducks and runs, usually directing people
to DejaNews where he knows people would have to wade through well over 3000 -
4000 messages to find factual content, even it existed, which is rarely the
case.
Anyone interested in understanding this conflict probably SHOULD go read wulf's
early articles in DejaNews, beginning in late April, 1997. Since wulf changed
ISPs during the summer, you should search on W...@rc.toronto.on for early
messages.
6. Most people don't seem to want him here, so why does wulf hang around?
Wulf presents himself as a stoical master on a heroic quest, beset upon by the
jealous rage of lesser beings.
This idea may play well in the "country", but has not found many advocates in
cyberspace. I'm aware of several contrary conjectures which are currently in
vogue.
One is that wulf is simply a masochistic nut case who has found a really fun new
playground and is having a wonderful time leading folks on.
Another is that wulf is an abusive cyber predator who understands that
experienced submissive women are not going to fall into his clutches, so he
targets the inexperienced newbies with seductive romantic fiction.
Another is that he's a mental patient of some sort, living on public welfare and
otherwise isolated from society, with only the internet as a source of contact
with other individuals.
Whatever the truth, wulf has made it clear that he intends to stay until he
finds his "beloved." Based on past experience, that could take a very very long
time.
7. Perhaps he has only been questing for attention?
There may be something to that idea. Woof is an articulate person and despite
his rejection of mainstream BDSM culture, he does not appear to be a stupid
individual. It's hard to believe that he fails to understand at some level that
the sheer accumulated weight of his many months of net-abuse reveals the very
personality characteristics that make him unsuited to be a responsible Dom. It
is possible he has given up expecting to actually find his "beloved" here and is
now uploading his spam just to gather attention and hit back at his critics.
The continued postings may also be a red herring, or perhaps a gill-net
stretched across the newsgroup in hopes of trapping an unwary submissive while
he's busy elsewhere. Rumor has it that woof has recently shifted his attention
to AOL... Be warned.
8. So what the &^#$% can we do about this idiot?
If you're just tired of listening to him, try putting him (and for that matter,
me and the rest of his more vocal critics) in your kill-file or filter-file. If
you don't know how to set up a kill-file or filter-file, check with your ISP or
sysadmin.
If you frequent a.p.b, you'll be pleased at the result - wulf-spam alone
sometimes accounts for as much as 25 percent of the traffic in the newsgroup.
If you think wulf is dangerous, or if you object to his interminable spamming,
you have to make your own decision about what to do.
For myself, as long as I'm active on the internet and wulf keeps up his
obnoxious spamming, continues to specifically target newbie femsubs, and
generally continues to treat alt.personals.bondage as his own private hunting
ground, I'm going to keep expressing my opinion.
My thanks to a.s.b users for tolerating this special edition of the Woofie FAQ.
I hope the effort has been informative and helpful for understanding the recent
wulf-spew contamination here in a.s.b.
I suggest we simply keep on reposting these old alt.net entries over and over as evidence of this guy's intrenched nuttiness.
Bringing this to the front;
1997, the FAQ mentioned earlier:
Quote:
Folks,
Those of you curious about the recent dump of wulf-spew into a.s.b, and also
*anybody* tempted to believe any part of Wulf's angst-ridden fictional
quest-spam might wish to read this special a.s.b edition of our standard Woofie
FAQ to get a bit of perspective, hm? The FAQ was created in
alt.personals.bondage to explain the woof-critter to new users there who might
be wondering why this idiot posts his 38 part quest-spam (it's been as long as
47 parts) more or less continuously - up to 8 parts and sometimes nearly 1400
lines per day!
If you're not interested, my apologies for wasting even this small amount of
bandwidth.
The following questions are compiled from email addressed to me over the past
month or so. Most of the questions were private, although some of them were
also posted to the a.p.b newsgroup, as is the case with our lead-off and MOST
frequently asked question:
1. Who the &%$#! is WULF?
Wulf appears to be an obsessive individual who apparently is living alone in
rural Ontario, probably somewhere west of the town of Jasper.
Wulf claims to be a "master" searching for a submissive female partner, his
"beloved", who is required to conform to a list of some very rigid (and probably
very unrealistic) requirements. These requirements are detailed in an endless
personal manifesto titled "Wulf's Quest." This is a very romanticized document
presently subdivided into thirty-eight or more parts totaling about 1/3
megabytes of text weakly disguised as a personal ad, and designed to entice the
interest of inexperienced submissive women.
Wulf claims to be a professional writer, but apparently has been out of work for
some time and living in a state of poverty. In a couple of reported cases, he
has attempted to get "beloved" candidates to give him title to their cars so he
could sell the cars to meet living expenses.
2. Where the %^&#$ did this idiot come from?
Wulf first appeared on the internet about a year ago, with a series of more or
less conventional CHUDWAH style personals. For example, here's the
end of his ad dated 4/27/96:
> ...you may apply to me at W...@rc.toronto.on.ca. You will prepare for me a
>500+ word essay about you and your need to be a slave. You
> will provide me with your e-mail address and your phone number.
> I'm waiting...
> Master Wulf
A year later, wulf is still waiting. However, the internet soon found out that
this was no COMMON chudwah. Within weeks, wulf began posting the
early beginnings of his manifesto as a series of ads and articles describing
himself among other things as "brilliant and wise" and bragging that he was a
self-made master living "on the edge of society."
For his personal philosophy, Wulf presented most of the standard chudwah
fantasies - isolating his submissives from contact with the" outside world" and
reducing their intellectual and emotional environment to whatever substance he
alone would provide. He castigated mainstream Dominants as being insincere
pretenders, imitators of his own superior style of mastery
During this early series, he slipped back and forth between a voice describing
his view of slavery and one directly addressing his submissive audience, as in:
> She is willing to be your footstool, your urinal, your whipping post, your horse.
and
> You wonder how Master can love you or cherish you when he uses your
> body as a urinal or a whipping post.
He also briefly alluded to a presumably real life experience with an
unidentified live-in slave:
> From this experience I developed other techniques to prevent my slave from
> reading my thoughts and anticipating my actions.
Over a period of weeks and months, Wulf elaborated on this early comment until
the present story of "little lamb" appeared. Despite the apparent evolution of
the story, there does appears to be some evidence that the woman "little lamb"
actually existed, and that wulf's efforts to mold her into the pattern of his
"beloved" essentially drove her into a nervous breakdown.
Wulf claimed 16 years of experience, but most of the ideas he presented had long
been understood by the mainstream BDSM community to be unhealthy for real women
in a real-life long-term master/slave environment. Within a week, wulf had come
under severe criticism for his ideas. In response to the critique, wulf
(characteristically) counter-attacked.
His innate sense of personal grandeur led him to post explanatory articles with
titles such as "Wulf Speaks to Humanity." His "personal ad" changed from "Wulf
Seeks Subs" to "Wulf Seeks Lambs", and doubled in size. He justified himself by
insisting that all realities are equally valid, especially his own.
During the late spring of 1996 the situation in alt.sex.bondage deteriorated.
Confronted with the repetition ad nauseum of wulf's blend of personal angst,
biography and romantic fiction proposed as a valid BDSM philosophy and disguised
as a personal ad, various individuals in a.s.b took matters into their own
hands. Wulf's newly announced website was apparently attacked by hackers as
well as his mailbox at W...@rc.toronto.on. He disappeared from the net for a
few days and reappeared as W...@fox.nstn.ca, where he remains today.
Essentially driven out of a.s.b, he has found a haven in alt.personals.bondage,
where the transient nature of the users has provided a certain amount of
reduced-hassle security for him.
3. So does this guy have a life or what?
It seems arguable whether wulf has a "real life" in the sense that most users of
a.p.b might understand. He prides himself on being a loner located outside
mainstream BDSM, and his posts give little evidence of any current face to face
interaction with people other than a woman he calls "vicki" or "painslut."
Apart from going fishing, he has very little to do during the day but visit the
internet. He has been known to post thousands of lines of the same repetitive
unaltered text in a single day. During one three day period not long ago, wulf
singlehandedly posted over half as many lines of text to alt.personals.bondage
as ALL COMMERCIAL SPAMMERS COMBINED during the same period!
4. So why not just live and let live?
Wulf commits two basic continuing offenses in alt.personals.bondage:
First, he uses the group in an inappropriate manner, spamming the group by
posting and reposting over and over the same huge personal manifesto, most of
which remains unchanged from its initial posting. For example, in Quest-spam
No. 14, wulf is still describing a root cellar he used as a dungeon when he was
living in Toronto last summer. Similarly, his references to time are
meaningless - a reference to something happening last week may actually mean
last Summer, if it actually happened at all.
Alt.personals.bondage is intended as a newsgroup for personal ads, not a
presentation forum for endlessly detailed personal
philosophies/biographies/therapies, no matter what the perpetrator may call
them. There is no justification for wulf to hog so much bandwidth for himself,
and plenty of evidence that his spamming is an annoying ineffective waste of
resources. Imagine how congested and unusable the newsgroup would become if
every user claimed wulf's prerogative and posted in wulf's manner.
Second, wulf intentionally targets inexperienced submissive women for his
attentions. This is a group (as most genuine Doms know from having to deal with
submissives who have been injured by wulf-like critters) which is the most
vulnerable to predators who talk the talk, but actually walk a much darker and
more dangerous walk.
Wulf's romantic fiction has enough legitimate BDSM substance to mislead people
with limited real life experience. Significantly, wulf isolates himself from
the general BDSM community, and NONE of his supporters come from the ranks of
those with any significant real-life BDSM experience.
Is this a sign of a Grand Conspiracy against wulf? Actually, just the opposite.
It's the sign of an individual so out of touch with how BDSM actually works that
he can't hold his own against more knowledgeable people. Despite wulf's
accusations, his critics here are likewise not part of any coherent "plot" -
just ordinary individuals with individual gripes about wulf's misuse of the
newsgroup. Wulf's designation of "goons" includes almost anybody who has
publicly criticised wulf in any way for any reason.
5. What about all wulf's accusations about various people?
Wulf's basic style is to look at his own deficiencies and attribute them to
other people. If you want to know what wulf's personal insecurities are, look
at the accusations he makes toward others, both in his quest-spam and in his
more interactive personal attacks. He knows where his weaknesses are and
typically seeks to bolster himself by trying to tear others down to or below his
own level.
In interactive dialog, he typically reacts in copy-cat/big-lie mode - i.e., if
somebody calls wulf a dolt, he will respond by calling that person a dolt, not
once, but over and over, elaborating his response with other misrepresentations
and outright fabrications about the other party's behavior or motives. When
asked to substantiate his attacks, he ducks and runs, usually directing people
to DejaNews where he knows people would have to wade through well over 3000 -
4000 messages to find factual content, even it existed, which is rarely the
case.
Anyone interested in understanding this conflict probably SHOULD go read wulf's
early articles in DejaNews, beginning in late April, 1997. Since wulf changed
ISPs during the summer, you should search on W...@rc.toronto.on for early
messages.
6. Most people don't seem to want him here, so why does wulf hang around?
Wulf presents himself as a stoical master on a heroic quest, beset upon by the
jealous rage of lesser beings.
This idea may play well in the "country", but has not found many advocates in
cyberspace. I'm aware of several contrary conjectures which are currently in
vogue.
One is that wulf is simply a masochistic nut case who has found a really fun new
playground and is having a wonderful time leading folks on.
Another is that wulf is an abusive cyber predator who understands that
experienced submissive women are not going to fall into his clutches, so he
targets the inexperienced newbies with seductive romantic fiction.
Another is that he's a mental patient of some sort, living on public welfare and
otherwise isolated from society, with only the internet as a source of contact
with other individuals.
Whatever the truth, wulf has made it clear that he intends to stay until he
finds his "beloved." Based on past experience, that could take a very very long
time.
7. Perhaps he has only been questing for attention?
There may be something to that idea. Woof is an articulate person and despite
his rejection of mainstream BDSM culture, he does not appear to be a stupid
individual. It's hard to believe that he fails to understand at some level that
the sheer accumulated weight of his many months of net-abuse reveals the very
personality characteristics that make him unsuited to be a responsible Dom. It
is possible he has given up expecting to actually find his "beloved" here and is
now uploading his spam just to gather attention and hit back at his critics.
The continued postings may also be a red herring, or perhaps a gill-net
stretched across the newsgroup in hopes of trapping an unwary submissive while
he's busy elsewhere. Rumor has it that woof has recently shifted his attention
to AOL... Be warned.
8. So what the &^#$% can we do about this idiot?
If you're just tired of listening to him, try putting him (and for that matter,
me and the rest of his more vocal critics) in your kill-file or filter-file. If
you don't know how to set up a kill-file or filter-file, check with your ISP or
sysadmin.
If you frequent a.p.b, you'll be pleased at the result - wulf-spam alone
sometimes accounts for as much as 25 percent of the traffic in the newsgroup.
If you think wulf is dangerous, or if you object to his interminable spamming,
you have to make your own decision about what to do.
For myself, as long as I'm active on the internet and wulf keeps up his
obnoxious spamming, continues to specifically target newbie femsubs, and
generally continues to treat alt.personals.bondage as his own private hunting
ground, I'm going to keep expressing my opinion.
My thanks to a.s.b users for tolerating this special edition of the Woofie FAQ.
I hope the effort has been informative and helpful for understanding the recent
wulf-spew contamination here in a.s.b.
I suggest we simply keep on reposting these old alt.net entries over and over as evidence of this guy's intrenched nuttiness.
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W
where
Guest
so are you saying wulf is bloved?
seela
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Wait? What? Didn't you say that submission has to be a conscious choice or there is no merit in it and is mere abuse if it isn't? How is that shown in the snippet I quoted? Seems to me that you decided that she's going to be your slave and she most certainly didn't offer to be one herself, given how you described she ran away.
If you in fact decided that it was better for her and you two to move on to full slavery rather than she decided that she wants to move on to slavery with you, how that does that differ from doormatting, which you frowned upon on another thread? Was you wife just another victim of low self esteem when she agreed to your coercion?
Or did I miss something and this wasn't about you and your wife? I didn't read the whole thing, I just skimmed and this stood out.
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Stella_Omega
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W
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I thought it was a separate person.
Stella_Omega
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Bloved wouldn't mention him then. He only talks about himself.
W
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I hate when people talk about themselves in the third person
unfairplay
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Well, this has certainly been entertaining. Draining, but highly entertaining! It's too bad that as an author, you seem to have such an unrealistic expectation of your audience. They are allowed to have their own opinions about what you write.
As a side note, I just want to say how much I love almost all the members of this forums. Even though this is a bizarre example of it, I love how you guys take the time to be well-informed about stuff. I can't tell you how much i've learned just by trolling the BDSM boards. I
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As a side note, I just want to say how much I love almost all the members of this forums. Even though this is a bizarre example of it, I love how you guys take the time to be well-informed about stuff. I can't tell you how much i've learned just by trolling the BDSM boards. I
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Keroin
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Hoo boy!
After reading Etoile's detective work, I'm just glad to see that my (allegedly non-existent) asshole radar is functioning at full capacity.
From CM's thread, April 11th, re:BLoved...
Yep...*polishes knuckles on collar*...still got it.
eastern sun
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The world is an endlessly fascinating place. 
Netzach
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lulz.
It's the effing INTERNET. Blog. Link your blog in your sig.
No one guarantees the right to life liberty and posting stories on literotica that everyone has to fucking vote up OR ELSE.
Stella_Omega
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Not being on the New York Best Seller list is a form of censorship.
eastern sun
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I'm interested in the "historical" dimension of this discussion.
A lot of people have wondered where the idea of submission as "a gift" came from, with the new kind of power it offers to submissives.
Is Wulf really the Father of "the Gift"?
Is Jon Jacobs really considered the Father of TPE?
If not, how did these ideas evolve? Are they purely a product of this internet culture?
A lot of people have wondered where the idea of submission as "a gift" came from, with the new kind of power it offers to submissives.
Is Wulf really the Father of "the Gift"?
Is Jon Jacobs really considered the Father of TPE?
If not, how did these ideas evolve? Are they purely a product of this internet culture?
D
Daddy2mylilgirl
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midwestyankee
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Exactly. And the fact that the Great American Novel in my bottom desk drawer remains unpublished is proof that you're all Pinko Commie Fags.
I HATE YOU ALL, YOU LOSERS!
BLoved
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Stella_Omega
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Mmmmm... Meta!
BLoved
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Stella_Omega
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Pictures, or it didn't happen.
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Yes.
You selectively quote me and demand I offer proof in the quote you've taken out of context?
lol
And that would be because you ignored the rest of the essay.
Anything else?
Because at the time I wrote the essay she had been asked to make a decision about the relationship and how we would conduct it.
You would know had you read all the essay.
~smile~
Cute question.
Do you still beat your spouse?
Which just goes to show how eager they are to persecute me ... can't be bothered to actually read an essay before making accusations.
Always a treat to be persecuted here.
Netzach
>semiotics?
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- Mar 3, 2003
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No and no.
TPE predates the hell out of the internet, as evidenced by an established M/s subculture in gay leather, with documents and a whole stinking Chicago based archive to prove that B is talking out his ass when he's claiming Jacobs invented this wheel.
Submission as Gift has been crapping up the internet for as long as there's been SM discussion on it. Maybe Wulf IS the progenitor, but for someone who says that TPE began with JJ - I doubt it highly.
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