What we progressives and humanists need to realize

[Politruk]

Tells you a lot about what the American people thought of his opponents.

Humphrey and McGovern were both better men, and would have made better presidents.

 

[Politruk]

What? From my perspective everything you said the opposite of reality. You think Trump wants to control people? He wants government off the backs of people. That is the whole point of the conservative model.

That would be Libertarianism, not conservatism.

 

[HisArpy]

I don't hate you.

You're too pitiable to hate.

Lol.

Liar. Hate is all that keeps you warm at night.

 

[UltraChad]

That would be Libertarianism, not conservatism.

In the USA conservatism (classical English Liberalism) is VERY close to libertarianism. Since you can't tell the difference between a neo-liberal and a libertarian you probably can't differentiate classical liberals from the other two either.

 

[rgraham666]

That would be Libertarianism, not conservatism.

Libertarianism is a marketing strategy. A rebranding of an existing and unpopular product.

 

[rgraham666]

Your whole problem is your glandular (emotional) thought process. Emotions tend to trigger cognitive biases, which are systematic patterns of deviation from rationality. Democrats and other creatures of the Left are emotionally charged, and way more likely to fall prey to confirmation bias that seek out information that supports your emotional state or preconceived beliefs, all the while ignoring contrary evidence presented by the real world. This is how you lost the election and are now lashing out at others instead of looking in the mirror.

Everything the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives say is a confession.

 

[rgraham666]

Neoliberals aren't authoritarians. You're going to have to allow people who don't agree with you to exist.

I do.

I will oppose their selfish cruelty at every turn but I will never, ever deny their right to exist.

 

[Politruk]

In the USA conservatism (classical English Liberalism) is VERY close to libertarianism.

No, American conservatism is too closely associated with un-libertarian religious-right social-cultural paleoconservatism, and un-libertarian populist nationalism, and un-libertarian neocon military aggression, to claim that label.

American conservatism is not even libertarian in strictly economic terms -- it is too crony-capitalist, too favorable to established business interests. Libertarians would not approve of fat government contracts, or the whole military-industrial complex, but the GOP would never think of scrapping them.

 

[icanhelp1]

Here’s another one I don’t get…. If “ liberals” are inclusive and consider everyone as equal… why do they need so many labels and acronyms ?

How can you be united if you divide eveyone into little silos?

Example: I dont need any labels for you to know who i am and what i stand for, do I?

Because there are no true liberals in the democrat hierarchy.

 

[UltraChad]

No, American conservatism is too closely associated with un-libertarian religious-right social-cultural paleoconservatism, and un-libertarian populist nationalism, and un-libertarian neocon military aggression, to claim that label.

Not at all. You're blowing the religiousness out of proportion and still confusing liberalism with libertarianism. They aren't the same thing.

American conservatism is not even libertarian in strictly economic terms

Never said they were. FAR closer to it than the Democrats though.

-- it is too crony-capitalist,

No such thing.

. Libertarians would not approve of fat government contracts, or the whole military-industrial complex, but the GOP would never think of scrapping them.

Oh you still think it's the 90's......It's not.

And the GOP doesn't, the MIC isn't supporting the GOP.... warmongers been lining up behind the DNC for 10 years and made it official when the Cheneys and a dozen other top goons and ghoul warmongers all were welcomed by Kamala and the Democrats. That's why Democrats are the ones banging the war drums.

Welcome to 2024, not 1994 or even 2004....things change in 20-30 years bud!!

 

[icanhelp1]

You do realize, don't you, that posting that is a declaration of your own idiocy?

Confucius say "he who answer idiot is a bigger idiot"

 

[icanhelp1]

He wants the government as it was under other leaders off the backs of people, he has said after he took away the Department of Education the states would decide how to run the schools, unless he disagreed with their decisions wherein he’d withhold all money for schools until they changed to his own specifications. This isn’t about what the government wants, or even the peope themselves, its about what he wants.

The department of education could perhaps work if it didn't take its marching orders from the teacher's union.

 

[icanhelp1]

No, it isn't. Decentralizing is not liberalizing.

I would use the word liberating!!!

 

[Politruk]

I would use the word liberating!!!

Decentralizing is not liberating.

 

[Politruk]

and still confusing liberalism with libertarianism. They aren't the same thing.

The way you use those words, they are the same thing.

 

[icanhelp1]

That whole subject has nothing to do with centralization vs. decentralization. State/local government can be every bit as oppressive and authoritarian -- there are countless instances in American history, and federal government has often played the role of liberator. Why is that so hard for you?!

When the feds fuck up hundreds of millions of people are affected, when states fuck up only tens of millions are affected. Let the states run their education systems, they know their people best and one system doesn't always fit all.

 

[SevMax2]

Why do Democrat Attack Trolls all pick “666” names now?

Whatever happened to the “69” ers?

I have had my issues and disagreements with rgraham666 at times, and we've had words with each other, but he's no troll. He's been on Lit far longer than either of us, iirc. He's a Canadian national who, at last count, voted New Democratic often at some levels of the government in his province.

 

[SevMax2]

They wanted Satan to know his minions after he was elected?

Their antics surely helped...

I don't think that Satan would lower himself to association with Trump.

 

[SevMax2]

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness". - John Kenneth Galbraith

Speaking as both a former conservative and a former libertarian, I can say in retrospect that this is very much on the nose.

 

[Politruk]

Let the states run their education systems, they know their people best and one system doesn't always fit all.

"One system doesn't always fit all" might be true of individual students. It is not true of states. There is no reason why the school system in Alabama should be any different from New York's.

 

[UltraChad]

The way you use those words, they are the same thing.

Not at all, that's what you do.

You still refuse to define OR accept ANY of the consensus definitions of what liberalism in general is, because you know I'm right. You're stuck on trying to pretend fuckin' Stalin was a liberal. LOL

 

[Yarglenurp]

This convo is ridiculous. Y’all think Trump knows or gives a fuck about any of this?

 

[Politruk]

Not at all, that's what you do.

You still refuse to define OR accept ANY of the consensus definitions of what liberalism in general is, because you know I'm right. You're stuck on trying to pretend fuckin' Stalin was a liberal. LOL

FDR was a liberal. LBJ was a liberal. No Republican since Eisenhower has been a liberal.

 

[UltraChad]

FDR was a liberal. LBJ was a liberal. No Republican since Eisenhower has been a liberal.

They were social liberals.

Reagan, HW Bush and Trump are neoliberals. Which are also liberals. Your redefining terms to suit your delusions and denial of modern political science notwithstanding of course.

 

[SevMax2]

FDR was a liberal. LBJ was a liberal. No Republican since Eisenhower has been a liberal.

Well, you could make a case for Nelson Rockefeller or William Scranton or George Romney, but other than that.....