What will history say about Trump?

[AceDesSpades]

I do not know if he will, but the Republicans will. You can count on that.

Bet on Liz blowing it up.

 

[AceDesSpades]

She still makes me laugh, the daughter of a war criminal now a Democratic darling...

Weren't they hanging her in effigy too?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I reckon that they were "rehabilitated."


Good for them they weren't executed and missed out on it.

 

[AceDesSpades]

She's got bird dog down pat.

Maybe she can go hunt with Noem.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

She still makes me laugh, the daughter of a war criminal now a Democratic darling...

Weren't they hanging her in effigy too?

I happen to like Ms Cheney. She looks a lot her father.
I won’t let a psychoanalyst within a mile of that.

 

[AceDesSpades]

I just find how amusing she is in her willingness to play tool...

Everyone accused her daddy of being a tool too.

She still believes, They will like me!

 

[Rightguide]

They'll say he cured Hollywood:

Rob Reiner Drives Himself Bonkers Post-Election, Checks Into a 'Facility'​

Matt Margolis | 10:34 AM on November 21, 2024

The left really is having a difficult time coping with Donald Trump's victory in the 2024 elections. Some celebrities have even "moved out" of the country. On Wednesday evening, we learned that comedian and talk show host Ellen DeGeneres and her partner Portia de Rossi have moved to rural England. It's not all that it seems, though, because they already owned the home in Great Britain. But they are selling their Montecito, Calif., estate.


Not all celebs who claimed to be worried about a Trump dictatorship are leaving the country, though. Most are just leaving X/Twitter. Over the past couple of weeks, we've seen a fairly steady stream of leftist personalities making a big production of the fact that they're leaving the Elon Musk-owned platform for the latest X-alternatve du jour: Bluesky. Personally, I find this hilarious because I thought the alternative platforms like Mastodon and the Meta-owned Threads were supposed to be the brave new left-wing echo chamber on social media.

The transition hasn't been going well.

Filmmaker, producer, and actor Rob Reiner has made Bluesky his X-alternative of choice. He was hoping to rid himself of opposing viewpoints, and — well, he's finding that Trump supporters aren't making it easy for him to live in a left-wing echo chamber.

"Anyone continuing to post hate towards me here will be blocked," he posted on the platform on Saturday. "I escaped the other place for a more peaceful time."

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...s-hes-checking-into-the-cuckoos-nest-n4934504

Hopefully more of the Hollywood elite will seek professional help.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

In my younger days the Democratic Party was the Party of the blue collar working class. Organized labor,
Non-college educated middle-class aspirants with the American Dream gleam in their eye.
That has been co-opted by the likes of AOC. Take a look in her eyes and you can see Tasmanian Devils gnawing on bones. I don’t care if she can’t see her reflection in a mirror, Nancy Pelosi should not be allowed out in public until after sundown. She does look like she knows her way around an orgy. I wouldn’t mind playing Crisco twister with the old doll before the bloom left her rosebud.
The minority Speaker Hakeem Jeffries may be their last best hope. After the press tried to bait him into a dick measuring contest with his GOP colleagues he simply said, “I ain’t playin.’”

 

[AceDesSpades]

I have said much the same thing many times in discussing "transitioning" to the Libertarian Party.

 

[AceDesSpades]

On Jeffries, I have no comment. No birddog in that hunt.

 

[AceDesSpades]

With the rise of AI and mechanization, should we be more concerned on the National Museum of Working Man?

 

[JaySecrets]

It was never about THE Science.

It was always about Trump.

the song remains the same

It was never about the science or Trump.... It was about power and control. That's all the left has ever been about. That's all the globalists on the right have ever been about. Power and control.

 

[JaySecrets]

His ‘let’s streamline government (de-regulate) free up capital (cut corporate tax rates) were tried by Reagan and GW Bush. Both popped bubbles and triggered bailouts funded by taxpayers. The real estate crash in ‘08 to the tune of $750B. That’s a healthy dose of Socialism wouldn’t you agree?

I'm finding it annoying that people keep lumping Bush and Reagan together. Bush economic policies were not Reagan economic policies. George W. Bush policies were not the reason for the housing bubble crash. The housing bubble existed because of Clinton and it was inevitable that was going to crash. That was predicted when Clinton did what he did with his housing policies. It just happened to pop on Bush's watch.
Bush seniors policies were the ones that were bailout policies. Reagan's policies brought this nation the greatest economic success it had known in decades. Under Reagan more people went from lower class to middle class and from middle class upper class than any other time in history up to that point. Because Reagan policies worked. Because Reagan policies worked. The only way people were able to undermine him was to lump together Bush, senior and Reagan. Bush senior was a globalist shill. Reagan was an actual conservative. Conservative policies work.

I would agree that I have issues with Trump's policy when it comes to tariffs. I believe that is what's going to undermine what he is trying to do with the economy. But as far as the rest of that statement goes about Trump policies, the reason why wealth was generated in America was because the government got the hell out of the way.

Capitalism works. It’s the best system we have to produce commerce..
It’s brutally unforgiving to the imprudent. Our brand is not. It has been softened by lobbyists and lawmakers fond of ‘fact-finding’ junkets.
Steve Ballmer said that it is the role of Democracy to inform Capitalism. Right now it’s the other way around.,

On this we would agree. America has slowly been moving toward a form of socialism called communitarianism. That has been the push from the right, not the left. The left has pushed the full out Marxist communist version of socialism. The right has pushed the globalist communitarian brand. Both are a problem. Give me capitalism, pure and simple over any of that.

 

[Politruk]

It was never about the science or Trump.... It was about power and control. That's all the left has ever been about. That's all the globalists on the right have ever been about. Power and control.

Who are these globalists on the right?

 

[JaySecrets]

Who are these globalists on the right?

Read the list of those who are considered mainline Republicans. Unfortunately, including, to some degree, Ted Cruz. The mainline Republican party has been in the pocket of the globalists for a while. Many of them have been on the boards or been connected to the boards of the United Nations or other international globalist organizations. It was the Republicans who connected our banking system to the international monetary fund, not the Democrats. Both sides are in the pockets of socialists, it's just a question of what brand they prefer.

 

[Politruk]

Read the list of those who are considered mainline Republicans. Unfortunately, including, to some degree, Ted Cruz. The mainline Republican party has been in the pocket of the globalists for a while. Many of them have been on the boards or been connected to the boards of the United Nations or other international globalist organizations. It was the Republicans who connected our banking system to the international monetary fund, not the Democrats. Both sides are in the pockets of socialists, it's just a question of what brand they prefer.

Globalist does not mean socialist.

 

[JaySecrets]

Globalist does not mean socialist.

The political systems of most of the world are some brand of socialist. The socialists have been dying to get their hands on America's system for a very long time. The Democrat party was far too hard Marxist and still is. America instinctively rejects that kind of socialism. It also instinctively rejects your brand, by the way. They needed a brand of socialism that blends the markets and the businesses with socialism to create a soft version. That is communitarianism. Globalists by definition buy into the worldview of the global elite. The global elite, are open socialists. You may not like that fact, but it is a fact. Britain is socialist. Canada is socialist. Sweden is socialist. China is socialist. Russia... Socialist. Most of the world has bought into the poison of socialism, and that's why they're in so much trouble. But they are still holding on to socialism. They have wanted to have America as a socialist Nation as well. We have been the problem, the thorn in their side because we have refused to be socialist. So they figured out how to work from inside. Not from the left but from the supposed right.

 

[Politruk]

The political systems of most of the world are some brand of socialist.

That fact all by itself, if a fact, constitutes a strong argument for socialism. Is everybody out of step but Sammy?

It is not really a fact, by the way -- no system is any brand of socialist unless the state outright owns the means of production. Social democracy is not socialism. Britain is not socialist. Canada is not socialist. Sweden is not socialist. Russia is not socialist.

There is no longer any international socialist or Communist movement as a relevant political force. The most important force in the world at large is international capitalism. The International Monetary Fund is part of that.

 

[JaySecrets]

That fact all by itself, if a fact, constitutes a strong argument for socialism. Is everybody out of step but Sammy?

It is not really a fact, by the way -- no system is any brand of socialist unless the state outright owns the means of production. Social democracy is not socialism. Britain is not socialist. Canada is not socialist. Sweden is not socialist. Russia is not socialist.

There is no longer any international socialist or Communist movement as a relevant political force. The most important force in the world at large is international capitalism. The International Monetary Fund is part of that.

That is a rather uninformed position. Do more homework that wasn't published by you and your Communist friends.

 

[Politruk]

Everyone accused her daddy of being a tool too.

You have that just backward -- W was Cheney's tool.

Cheney's Secret Service code name was Edgar. As in Edgar Bergen, the ventriloquist.

 

[Politruk]

That is a rather uninformed position. Do more homework that wasn't published by you and your Communist friends.

It is by no means uninformed to say that social democracy is not socialism.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

I'm finding it annoying that people keep lumping Bush and Reagan together. Bush economic policies were not Reagan economic policies. George W. Bush policies were not the reason for the housing bubble crash. The housing bubble existed because of Clinton and it was inevitable that was going to crash. That was predicted when Clinton did what he did with his housing policies. It just happened to pop on Bush's watch.
Bush seniors policies were the ones that were bailout policies. Reagan's policies brought this nation the greatest economic success it had known in decades. Under Reagan more people went from lower class to middle class and from middle class upper class than any other time in history up to that point. Because Reagan policies worked. Because Reagan policies worked. The only way people were able to undermine him was to lump together Bush, senior and Reagan. Bush senior was a globalist shill. Reagan was an actual conservative. Conservative policies work.

I would agree that I have issues with Trump's policy when it comes to tariffs. I believe that is what's going to undermine what he is trying to do with the economy. But as far as the rest of that statement goes about Trump policies, the reason why wealth was generated in America was because the government got the hell out of the way.

On this we would agree. America has slowly been moving toward a form of socialism called communitarianism. That has been the push from the right, not the left. The left has pushed the full out Marxist communist version of socialism. The right has pushed the globalist communitarian brand. Both are a problem. Give me capitalism, pure and simple over any of that.

I don’t think R Reagan is ready for sainthood just yet. He pulled some shitty tricks.
The Savings & Loan industry took a header because Mr Raygun got the government out of the way.
He also declared open season on organized labor. I lost a job working for a company when they reneged on a signed collectively bargained agreement. The Labor Relations Board said, ‘Tough Titty.’ I had 5 kids to feed at the time. Let’s not even talk about his dealings with the Nicaraguan Contras and Carlos Escobar’s marching powder. He should have listened to his wife and ‘Just said No,’. I’m no fan of thr Gipper. I was laid off just before Christmas. Ho Ho Ho.

The housing crash in 08 was from unrestrained greed, pure and simple. They ran out of qualified home buyers so they came up with NINJA loans. It stood for No Income, No Job. When the teaser rate on their mortgage payments expired and their payments tripled, people walked away. There’s a movie called The Big Short that does a good job of explaining what happened. Plus Margot Robbie takes a bath in it.

You’re REALLY not going to like what I have to say about Capitalism in America. I doesn’t really exist. Read Adam Smith’s ‘Wealth of Nations’ and we’ll talk.

 

[AceDesSpades]

Globalist does not mean socialist.

It is an inherent implication since Socialism has "encompassing" built right into the name.

If the word was "Christian," man would we see shifting sets of values/definitions...

 

[AceDesSpades]

You have that just backward -- W was Cheney's tool.

Cheney's Secret Service code name was Edgar. As in Edgar Bergen, the ventriloquist.

Then you accept the basal point, you just want to "massage" the message to what you perceive is your temporary benefit.

Trust me, it was no gain...

 

[Politruk]

All of which is to say, Democrats need their own Trump – a wrecking ball who will challenge the party’s dogmas; a disruptive outsider who can force them out of their ideological cul-de-sac.

Quite true, but, N.B.: The ideological change the Dems need is the same as the ideological change the country needs: a sharp turn to the left. Not in a culture-war, identity-politics sense, but in an economic, death-to-the-plutocracy sense.