White women dominating black women : Race Play

[Samuelx]

But to repeat what I was saying, if the person who gets turned on by racism a) restricts to within scenes and b) only when with a PYL/pyl of a similar proclivity, in what way is there a problem? Yes, racism is horrible in the real world, but if nobody's being hurt by it who cares?

Hell, parts of the community get off on humiliating others or being humiliated. Where's your criticism of them?

Look, we can't stop people from doing what they want. This particularly fetish makes some people uncomfortable, that's all.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Ps

I don't believe that most people who play with race are inherently evil or racists. I also don't believe that the majority of the people involved in the lifestyle are inherently bad people. Most things are/can be covered by SCC and those of us in the lifestyle can (and should) make it a point to play that way at all times.

All of that being said: I have no problem with daddy/little girl or boy scenarios, no issues with quite a bit of stuff that wouldn't be considered all that *normal* by other people not aware of my particular kinks. I just believe that race (like gender or sexual orientation) is something that should not be played with unless everyone involved is ready to deal with the consequences.

I would not be able to handle it thus I will not play that way. I think others can and should if they choose to. I am not in their bedroom nor are they in mine. Judging their kink is something I can't do outside of judging whether or not it would work for me.

I get why it would be offensive to you but a few bad people with awful judgement doesn't mean that most people would react that way or do the same things.

 

[Samuelx]

I don't believe that most people who play with race are inherently evil or racists. I also don't believe that the majority of the people involved in the lifestyle are inherently bad people. Most things are/can be covered by SCC and those of us in the lifestyle can (and should) make it a point to play that way at all times.

All of that being said: I have no problem with daddy/little girl or boy scenarios, no issues with quite a bit of stuff that wouldn't be considered all that *normal* by other people not aware of my particular kinks. I just believe that race (like gender or sexual orientation) is something that should not be played with unless everyone involved is ready to deal with the consequences.

I would not be able to handle it thus I will not play that way. I think others can and should if they choose to. I am not in their bedroom nor are they in mine. Judging their kink is something I can't do outside of judging whether or not it would work for me.

I get why it would be offensive to you but a few bad people with awful judgement doesn't mean that most people would react that way or do the same things.

Oh, that's cool. I never thought any legal fantasies would seem forbidden to me but that one did. Wow. I didn't know I had a conservative bone in my body ( I'm pro-BDSM, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, pro-stem cell research, anti-persecution of undocumented workers) but apparently, there's something which the law allows yet which I must say no to. I didn't know this about myself.

 

[PredatorSmile]

Life attracts a lot of crazy people.

I know. I just think we should all be careful.

 

[MisterSir]

Look, we can't stop people from doing what they want. This particularly fetish makes some people uncomfortable, that's all.

Why were you quoting me? I don't disagree that race play will make people uncomfortable, it is clearly a touchy issue, but the implication that people who are turned on by it need psychiatric help is silly at best and downright offensive at worst. Do you disagree with any of that?

 

[PredatorSmile]

Why were you quoting me? I don't disagree that race play will make people uncomfortable, it is clearly a touchy issue, but the implication that people who are turned on by it need psychiatric help is silly at best and downright offensive at worst. Do you disagree with any of that?

I don't think racial play has caught the attention of the American Psychiatrists Association, though racism certainly has.

 

[MisterSir]

I don't think racial play has caught the attention of the American Psychiatrists Association, though racism certainly has.

Racial play...racism. Do you not get that these are two different things? And what's your point?

 

[Netzach]

Simply put, race, especially in America, is no laughing matter. People have died, lost their jobs and countless populations been mistreated due to race.

Look at how women are treated, it's pretty much the foundation of SM. No one is having an ethical freak out if a woman decides she wants to be humiliated and beaten and called a slut a whore and a hole. On some level we all expect women to eroticize things that are not in their interest.

I can't possibly understand the experience of being a person of color, obviously. But via some basic listening and empathy I can totally understand *why* people who do get off on this kind of scene do. I've played with people who do. I've played with people who don't. The two things are completely night and day different to me. My personal feelings about partners and race boil down to "I'll fuck anybody." I don't pursue partners because they are any race.

Would I play this way as a top with a bottom of color? Yes. And I have. At the other person's request.

However, unlike a lot of things, I'd only pretty much take cues from that person. If they have no interest I have even less. If they find it interesting and worth exploring, I'd be open to discussion. I have played this way, and it was really challenging and uncomfortable for me, but I respected my bottom and he had some really interesting things to say. Negotating that scene was one of the best conversations I ever had about race in my life with anyone of any color. Doing it was - well it was really eye opening.

I like that line about how to get a white woman to beat you up and call you names you have to get her to actually like you, first. That sounds remarkably like something my bottom in that case would have said.

Extreme play on the top leaves a person vulnerable. If I embarrass someone in public, you better believe I carry a large degree of my own (omg, what must they think of me) embarrassment. Likewise, if my bottom is working on some demons if he's convinced me to do my worst and channel the worst most racist shit in my subconscious, you can bet I'm leaving that scene hyperaware and working overtime to think about whether that's really me and making sure it's NOT.

Not just "oh I would never say that" but really turning over everything in my inventory and thinking.

How's that bad?

The guy I played with was so kind, he really did spend time talking to me about how that's not how he sees me either in reality, or only a very small part, but one that's worth confronting for him. I found that amazingly sensitive on his part.

 

[Homburg]

Extreme play on the top leaves a person vulnerable. If I embarrass someone in public, you better believe I carry a large degree of my own (omg, what must they think of me) embarrassment. Likewise, if my bottom is working on some demons if he's convinced me to do my worst and channel the worst most racist shit in my subconscious, you can bet I'm leaving that scene hyperaware and working overtime to think about whether that's really me and making sure it's NOT.

This was my experience from doing rape fantasy by request. I felt incredibly vulnerable, and spent a lot of time questioning myself before and after.

 

[BiBunny]

If someone gets off on race play, then yay. More power to them. I don't think we should let the Thought Police say what's acceptable and what's not.

Also, I know everyone's looking at this as black/Hispanic/Asian/whatever people being humiliated by white people, but it does work the other way around. There are a good many white (usually male) submissives who really, really get off on being racially humiliated by black Dom/mes.

 

[Homburg]

If someone gets off on race play, then yay. More power to them. I don't think we should let the Thought Police say what's acceptable and what's not.

Also, I know everyone's looking at this as black/Hispanic/Asian/whatever people being humiliated by white people, but it does work the other way around. There are a good many white (usually male) submissives who really, really get off on being racially humiliated by black Dom/mes.

I rather enjoy sullying good white girls with my Asian mutt cock.

Nah, while it is mechanically true (I am an Asian-american mutt, and both of my girls are pale white gals), I just don't get off on the realisation of it. Can't say that either one finds me hot because I'm a mutt.

I do admittedly have a thing for pale skin tone though.

 

[BiBunny]

I rather enjoy sullying good white girls with my Asian mutt cock.

Nah, while it is mechanically true (I am an Asian-american mutt, and both of my girls are pale white gals), I just don't get off on the realisation of it. Can't say that either one finds me hot because I'm a mutt.

I do admittedly have a thing for pale skin tone though.

Give 'em hell, you pervy old mutt, you.

 

[Homburg]

Give 'em hell, you pervy old mutt, you.

Old. You just had to say "old."

Le sigh.

 

[BiBunny]

Old. You just had to say "old."

Le sigh.

Shit. My bad.

 

[Homburg]

Shit. My bad.

It's okay. I'm just fucking with you. I am old, so it's perfectly accurate

 

[BiBunny]

It's okay. I'm just fucking with you. I am old, so it's perfectly accurate

LOL.

 

[ammre]

Look at how women are treated, it's pretty much the foundation of SM. No one is having an ethical freak out if a woman decides she wants to be humiliated and beaten and called a slut a whore and a hole. On some level we all expect women to eroticize things that are not in their interest.

(the entire post, but shortened as to not take up space...)

The guy I played with was so kind, he really did spend time talking to me about how that's not how he sees me either in reality, or only a very small part, but one that's worth confronting for him. I found that amazingly sensitive on his part.

I love you Net. You're like, in my brain...

 

[nelson808]

White women dominating black women : Race Play

If somebody made a movie like that, they would retire rich !

 

[Samuelx]

Look at how women are treated, it's pretty much the foundation of SM. No one is having an ethical freak out if a woman decides she wants to be humiliated and beaten and called a slut a whore and a hole. On some level we all expect women to eroticize things that are not in their interest.

I can't possibly understand the experience of being a person of color, obviously. But via some basic listening and empathy I can totally understand *why* people who do get off on this kind of scene do. I've played with people who do. I've played with people who don't. The two things are completely night and day different to me. My personal feelings about partners and race boil down to "I'll fuck anybody." I don't pursue partners because they are any race.

Would I play this way as a top with a bottom of color? Yes. And I have. At the other person's request.

However, unlike a lot of things, I'd only pretty much take cues from that person. If they have no interest I have even less. If they find it interesting and worth exploring, I'd be open to discussion. I have played this way, and it was really challenging and uncomfortable for me, but I respected my bottom and he had some really interesting things to say. Negotating that scene was one of the best conversations I ever had about race in my life with anyone of any color. Doing it was - well it was really eye opening.

I like that line about how to get a white woman to beat you up and call you names you have to get her to actually like you, first. That sounds remarkably like something my bottom in that case would have said.

Extreme play on the top leaves a person vulnerable. If I embarrass someone in public, you better believe I carry a large degree of my own (omg, what must they think of me) embarrassment. Likewise, if my bottom is working on some demons if he's convinced me to do my worst and channel the worst most racist shit in my subconscious, you can bet I'm leaving that scene hyperaware and working overtime to think about whether that's really me and making sure it's NOT.

Not just "oh I would never say that" but really turning over everything in my inventory and thinking.

How's that bad?

The guy I played with was so kind, he really did spend time talking to me about how that's not how he sees me either in reality, or only a very small part, but one that's worth confronting for him. I found that amazingly sensitive on his part.

Well, then. I'm happy for you both. Doubtless it wasn't easy for him to talk about it at first or for you to play that way at first. I only bring up the fact that people should be careful because a nutcase could end up murdering someone who trusts him or her with their life if the two people don't know each other well enough.

 

[Netzach]

Well, then. I'm happy for you both. Doubtless it wasn't easy for him to talk about it at first or for you to play that way at first. I only bring up the fact that people should be careful because a nutcase could end up murdering someone who trusts him or her with their life if the two people don't know each other well enough.

Always a good consideration, whoever the players, whatever the motivations, a good thing to consider before you get yourself tied down.

And yes, if you are going to go playing with your most senstive personal down to the very bone issues, you'd better have put some thought into it, and some thought about who you're doing it with. Top or bottom, white or non-white party.

 

[Samuelx]

Always a good consideration, whoever the players, whatever the motivations, a good thing to consider before you get yourself tied down.

And yes, if you are going to go playing with your most senstive personal down to the very bone issues, you'd better have put some thought into it, and some thought about who you're doing it with. Top or bottom, white or non-white party.

Ok...now I'm curious....what exactly did YOU and your black sub do ? Femdom ? Strap-on play ? I'm not knocking it...to each his or her own. I'm just curious, that's all.

 

[OlderBiMan]

If somebody made a movie like that, they would retire rich !

I don't doubt it...lol. They'd also get sued to high heaven. Unless it's a lesbian movie.

 

[Netzach]

Ok...now I'm curious....what exactly did YOU and your black sub do ? Femdom ? Strap-on play ? I'm not knocking it...to each his or her own. I'm just curious, that's all.

Femdom is more noun than verb for me. Just some garden variety foot worship - it was all in the verbals.

I found that simply saying horrible slurs wasn't as hard for me, or as erotic for him, as when I dug down for fucked up attitudes. And oh, man, can I access those easily, thanks Gramma. You know statements that begin "you people..."

It's funny, just thinking about it is kind of "I want to take a shower" and yet, turned on by the intensity of it, just having a really intense experience with another person.

If anyone had the physical upper hand it was him and if anyone was likely to get killed because someone freaked out, it was me. Still, he was trusting me with his closest to the bone and most personal of shit, and asking me to tread as heavily as I could. It sounds weird, but in some ways it's only really profound respect that could allow me to go a place like this.

It takes all kinds though. I've met people who could ONLY go there if they really thought I was the most dedicated white supremacist racist fucknut who believed everything she was saying without conflict. I'm not kidding - they're out there. Men who are bored if they think you might not actively wish them dead, people so addicted to the fear rush.

I'm not their girl.

 

[Samuelx]

Femdom is more noun than verb for me. Just some garden variety foot worship - it was all in the verbals.

I found that simply saying horrible slurs wasn't as hard for me, or as erotic for him, as when I dug down for fucked up attitudes. And oh, man, can I access those easily, thanks Gramma. You know statements that begin "you people..."

It's funny, just thinking about it is kind of "I want to take a shower" and yet, turned on by the intensity of it, just having a really intense experience with another person.

If anyone had the physical upper hand it was him and if anyone was likely to get killed because someone freaked out, it was me. Still, he was trusting me with his closest to the bone and most personal of shit, and asking me to tread as heavily as I could. It sounds weird, but in some ways it's only really profound respect that could allow me to go a place like this.

It takes all kinds though. I've met people who could ONLY go there if they really thought I was the most dedicated white supremacist racist fucknut who believed everything she was saying without conflict. I'm not kidding - they're out there. Men who are bored if they think you might not actively wish them dead, people so addicted to the fear rush.

I'm not their girl.

Okay. I think I understand now. cool.

 

[Primalex]

Racism as a turn-on should be viewed as being in the same league as people who get off on torture of innocent people.

*scratches his chin*

So race play is fine?