Who do you think will win?

[Rightguide]

I'm sure you've already seen this but for those who haven't yet;

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...ounce-and-rfk-jrs-impact-on-the-race-n4932023

We haven't even gotten to the first debate yet (the one Kommie Kammie isn't going to show up for) and she's already in trouble. We'd see it clearly if the pollsters and media weren't in the tank for the D's, but Rassmussen knows what's what.

Yep. the key to these polls that favor Harris is "oversampling Democrats." They can't be trusted as they are designed to propagandize the public, just like the rest of the legacy media.

 

[HisArpy]

Yep. the key to these polls that favor Harris is "oversampling Democrats." They can't be trusted as they are designed to propagandize the public, just like the rest of the legacy media.

As the article alluded to, there is some underground manipulation being done. The pollsters aren't polling or releasing the results. The aggregate numbers are being manipulated (surprise!) by leaving out reputable polling outfits whose poll results don't fit the narrative, and the betting market is somehow getting flushed with cash and bets all at once in huge numbers.

All of this speaks of manipulation by unseen forces with huge amounts of untraceable money and influence at work. The question is why? The answer is TDS and hate.

 

[ll74]

Yep. the key to these polls that favor Harris is "oversampling Democrats." They can't be trusted as they are designed to propagandize the public, just like the rest of the legacy media.

There are various methodologies used in each poll. Generalizing an oversampling of Democrats across multiple unrelated polls is laughable on its face.

 

[HisArpy]

There are various methodologies used in each poll. Generalizing an oversampling of Democrats across multiple unrelated polls is laughable on its face.

Except that's what the internal crosstabs in the polls show.

Laugh at that.

 

[ll74]

Except that's what the internal crosstabs in the polls show.

Laugh at that.

In one or two polls, of course. Harris is leading in more polls than that. She was even leading in a Rasmussen poll earlier this month. Her lead is not due to oversampling in polling.

Funny enough, that's the same bullshit I got from the left before Biden dropped out.

 

[HisArpy]

In one or two polls, of course. Harris is leading in more polls than that. She was even leading in a Rasmussen poll earlier this month. Her lead is not due to oversampling in polling.

THAT is NOT what the article I linked to concluded. Stop gaslighting yourself.

 

[ll74]

THAT is NOT what the article I linked to concluded. Stop gaslighting yourself.

I'm specifically talking to Reichy's bullshit about polls all being oversampled.

Whether you agree with him is your own issue

Harris has a sizeable lead at the moment. Any suggestion that the polling is erroneous is bullshit

 

[Pad_Foot]

I absolutely hate him but I think Trump will win easily. All the people who are excited about Harris don't vote. Well, Trump says we will never have to vote again so that should make them happy.

Yup.. all those women who have been putting abortion rights into state constitutions. They won’t vote
Or unions

 

[Escierto]

Yup.. all those women who have been putting abortion rights into state constitutions. They won’t vote
Or unions

Union members are a tiny segment of the population but even then half of them support Trump. Minorities don't vote. People under 30 don't vote. Old white people? They vote!

 

[Pad_Foot]

Unions vote
Women vote
No union should support a scab
Union boss? Bribed

 

[Escierto]

Unions vote
Women vote
No union should support a scab
Union boss? Bribed

Good luck with that!

 

[coati]

Trump, as an incumbent President, was defeated in 2020.

The "Red Wave" predicted for the midterm elections in 2022 never came.

And this year, the Democrats have even more enthusiasm.

I think this will be the third consecutive election failure by the MAGAts. It was their choice to triple down on a proven loser.

 

[YDB95]

That’s not my point, more power to loopholes. trump’s a poor man’s version of a billionaire. His empire is built on staggering debt, and that’s probably why some of his businesses failed-he was pulling cash out to fund other things…his casinos came to mind.

Specifically with his casinos, what happened is that his investors' terms were that he had to clear a certain level of revenue on a regular basis. The threshold in question would have been easy to meet with just one casino, but he opened three of them in a relatively small market (Atlantic City is not Vegas), which not only diluted his market share but also cannibalized it. Anyone with any business acumen at all could have seen that coming - but Trump didn't.

Another thing about that "staggering debt" is that he famously doesn't even try to pay it off. He's always used the courts as a weapon, running his creditors out of money or patience or both so that they simply give up on ever getting the money he owes them. He has ruined more than one small business that way.

Yep. the key to these polls that favor Harris is "oversampling Democrats." They can't be trusted as they are designed to propagandize the public, just like the rest of the legacy media.

The Democrats (or the progressive side of various referenda) have consistently overperformed the polls since 2022. But keep telling yourself that, by all means.

 

[YDB95]

As Trump pointed out on stage, all he did was use the existing laws, and Hillary had voted aggressively not to repeal those laws.

It'd be closer to the truth to say he abused the existing laws.

Socialism is just as destructive and dishonest as Crony Capitalism.

Then it's a good thing Harris is no socialist, isn't it?

The issue is not which one, the issue is getting rid of both liberals and conservatives.

There is a valid alternative.

It's amazing how consistently people who say things like that still usually - if not always - vote Republican in the end.

 

[YDB95]

Why would any honest person hire a thug to steal from their neighbors?

All I can say to this is, if you ever had the experience of living in a place with no governmental infrastructure, you'd see immediately that it's not "stealing" - you get just what you need in return, in the form of safe and comfortable living conditions.There is a better alternative.

There is a better alternative.

So you keep saying, but you never identify it.

 

[YDB95]

Yet you choose to dodge / ignore the FACT that the very laws he used, you say abused, were used by Hillary personally and all of her supporter donors.

That's because it's not a fact, it's wishful thinking on your part.

 

[SevMax2]

Something you and the rest who "absolutely hate him" should think about is why he won in 2016 and why he might win again.

Hint: Hate isn't really a winning strategy for anyone.

He's been living rent-free in the Democrats' heads for nine years, ever since he entered politics. All that they talk about is "Trump will destroy the Republic," "vote for so and so to save Democracy from Trump," etc. I swear that they are obsessed with the guy. I used to believe the hype about him being the fascist threat to freedom, the Constitution, etc. The dude has done some seriously wild things that I don't approve of, but he never became a dictator. I'd sooner fear the ones trying to jail their political opponent these days. Hint: it's not Trump.

 

[YDB95]

By all means, show us the published voting record of Hillary NOT supporting her cronies.

Asking me to prove a negative, really?

She did NOT repealing the laws that both Trump and her cronies took advantage of.

Trump did not "take advantage" of any law, he simply made a really stupid business decision.

She voted against repeal of those laws because in the end it's all about money, including her millions.

I don't believe you're even referring to any particular laws here.

 

[Bn2f]

I'd sooner fear the ones trying to jail their political opponent these days. Hint: it's not Trump.

Um.
Where have you been?
He literally campaigned on locking his opponent up.

 

[SevMax2]

Um.
Where have you been?
He literally campaigned on locking his opponent up.

That was a campaign slogan. He didn't actually weaponize the Justice Department to do it.

 

[Bn2f]

That was a campaign slogan. He didn't actually weaponize the Justice Department to do it.

I like how easily you dismiss his shit for your convenience. Many of his followers believed him. Glad to see you’re not one of the gullibles. You could distinguish between that silly claim and his pledge for giving Americans better healthcare on day one.

 

[SevMax2]

I like how easily you dismiss his shit for your convenience. Many of his followers believed him. Glad to see you’re not one of the gullibles. You could distinguish between that silly claim and his pledge for giving Americans better healthcare on day one.

Whatever, dude. I'm not a big fan of Trump or Biden or Harris. I'm an independent who just plain finds the weaponizing of the Justice Department revolting, plus the failed border policy (and don't give me that business about the bill that Trump discouraged, clearly, it was deemed too little, too late by some...which might have been a mistake, but it was pretty late in the game), though I'm more centrist on border policy than left or right, the failed energy policy (we went from near energy independence back to dependence), the continued inflation (and if you believe the news about that, pay attention to your grocery bill), the gun control push, the constant warmongering, the ineffective Afghan pullout (it could really have been handled better), the misuse of the IRS against smaller bank accounts, and the confused foreign policy to be outright shameful. I'm just generally not a fan of this Administration.

This doesn't make me a MAGA, either. I voted for Clinton in 2016 and actually left the GOP, registered as a Democrat in opposition to Trump, voted for Biden in the 2020 general election (despite my loathing of Harris, who already struck me as grossly incompetent and corrupt), and backed the blue in 2018 mid-terms (I even voted for a Democrat in AZ who was to the left of Sinema in the primaries). I didn't support Biden in the Democratic primaries, largely because I thought him too close to Wall Street and the credit card companies, among others. I left the Democratic Party formally after voting in the primaries in AZ and became independent, but again, considered him the least offensive choice I had out of the three presented me in AZ (Trump, Biden, and Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian). I was a Never Trump Republican, I was a left-leaning Democrat (except on guns, Israel, and some other issues). Now, I'm an independent with strong antiwar and anti-interventionist views in general. I'm very anti-Establishment and hostile to the neoliberal, managerial elites, the national security state, and the military industrial complex. I'm also much more keen on personal merit, not collective responsibility, and I reject linear history for cyclical.

Basically, I'm politically homeless. I certainly don't plan to vote for Harris in any case. They might have forgotten that she was a political laughingstock until very recently, and with good cause, but I haven't. Then again, I'm not buying into the Nine Year Obsessive Hate for Trump. Not when he failed to become a dictator first time around.

 

[Bn2f]

Whatever, dude. I'm not a big fan of Trump or Biden or Harris. I'm an independent who just plain finds the weaponizing of the Justice Department revolting, plus the failed border policy (and don't give me that business about the bill that Trump discouraged, clearly, it was deemed too little, too late by some...which might have been a mistake, but it was pretty late in the game), though I'm more centrist on border policy than left or right, the failed energy policy (we went from near energy independence back to dependence), the continued inflation (and if you believe the news about that, pay attention to your grocery bill), the gun control push, the constant warmongering, the ineffective Afghan pullout (it could really have been handled better), the misuse of the IRS against smaller bank accounts, and the confused foreign policy to be outright shameful. I'm just generally not a fan of this Administration.

This doesn't make me a MAGA, either. I voted for Clinton in 2016 and actually left the GOP, registered as a Democrat in opposition to Trump, voted for Biden in the 2020 general election (despite my loathing of Harris, who already struck me as grossly incompetent and corrupt), and backed the blue in 2018 mid-terms (I even voted for a Democrat in AZ who was to the left of Sinema in the primaries). I didn't support Biden in the Democratic primaries, largely because I thought him too close to Wall Street and the credit card companies, among others. I left the Democratic Party formally after voting in the primaries in AZ and became independent, but again, considered him the least offensive choice I had out of the three presented me in AZ (Trump, Biden, and Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian). I was a Never Trump Republican, I was a left-leaning Democrat (except on guns, Israel, and some other issues). Now, I'm an independent with strong antiwar and anti-interventionist views in general. I'm very anti-Establishment and hostile to the neoliberal, managerial elites, the national security state, and the military industrial complex. I'm also much more keen on personal merit, not collective responsibility, and I reject linear history for cyclical.

Basically, I'm politically homeless. I certainly don't plan to vote for Harris in any case. They might have forgotten that she was a political laughingstock until very recently, and with good cause, but I haven't. Then again, I'm not buying into the Nine Year Obsessive Hate for Trump. Not when he failed to become a dictator first time around.

I would’ve respected you more if you had said that you were a MAGA trumper. I find people on this board, declaring themselves to be free thinking independents to be among the most clueless politically. I am glad that my question allowed you to spew your grievances. I don’t want you to feel insulted ok? I have no beef with you if you are not going to vote for trump.

 

[YDB95]

I find people on this board, declaring themselves to be free thinking independents to be among the most clueless politically.

I agree, and not just here. No matter where you go, when people feel the need to tell you they're not a Republican, they're almost always more partisan than those who actually are Republicans.

 

[jomar]

Whatever, dude. I'm not a big fan of Trump or Biden or Harris. I'm an independent who just plain finds the weaponizing of the Justice Department revolting, plus the failed border policy (and don't give me that business about the bill that Trump discouraged, clearly, it was deemed too little, too late by some...which might have been a mistake, but it was pretty late in the game), though I'm more centrist on border policy than left or right, the failed energy policy (we went from near energy independence back to dependence), the continued inflation (and if you believe the news about that, pay attention to your grocery bill), the gun control push, the constant warmongering, the ineffective Afghan pullout (it could really have been handled better), the misuse of the IRS against smaller bank accounts, and the confused foreign policy to be outright shameful. I'm just generally not a fan of this Administration.

This doesn't make me a MAGA, either. I voted for Clinton in 2016 and actually left the GOP, registered as a Democrat in opposition to Trump, voted for Biden in the 2020 general election (despite my loathing of Harris, who already struck me as grossly incompetent and corrupt), and backed the blue in 2018 mid-terms (I even voted for a Democrat in AZ who was to the left of Sinema in the primaries). I didn't support Biden in the Democratic primaries, largely because I thought him too close to Wall Street and the credit card companies, among others. I left the Democratic Party formally after voting in the primaries in AZ and became independent, but again, considered him the least offensive choice I had out of the three presented me in AZ (Trump, Biden, and Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian). I was a Never Trump Republican, I was a left-leaning Democrat (except on guns, Israel, and some other issues). Now, I'm an independent with strong antiwar and anti-interventionist views in general. I'm very anti-Establishment and hostile to the neoliberal, managerial elites, the national security state, and the military industrial complex. I'm also much more keen on personal merit, not collective responsibility, and I reject linear history for cyclical.

Basically, I'm politically homeless. I certainly don't plan to vote for Harris in any case. They might have forgotten that she was a political laughingstock until very recently, and with good cause, but I haven't.

Good for you about not being a lemming sheeple. Or is that a sheeple lemming.

Then again, I'm not buying into the Nine Year Obsessive Hate for Trump. Not when he failed to become a dictator first time around.

Well, he was a novice who was sort of surprised he won and didn’t really know what he was doing even though he gave it the good old college try at the end to stay in power. He continues to discredit media and election results/integrity just like a junior authoritarian wannabe, and if reelected has project 2025 which just could make him president for life if they tee it up right.