Why aren't male subs taken more seriously?

[Ebonyfire]

laughs........hey Aeroil you forgot humble dude

That was probably on purpose since humble is not in his vocabulary.

 

[Ebonyfire]

We aren't that erotically attractive. We have to work to make ourselves loved or useful for other reasons.

Oh I am not so sure about that. Individuals are attracted to others on many different levels. Much of that isn't necessarily tied to the exterior. There are attributes that can be intangible, that draw us to others.

Looks can only carry you so far.

As for being attractive, one man's/woman's a-hole is another man/woman's prince/ss. Sooner or later the fog of lust falls from your eyes and you have to get out of bed and talk to the person.

I will take intelligence, wit, humor, and the right smell over looks ANY day.

I have seen men who were outwardly handsome turn into Quasimoto in less than 30 seconds after they opened their mouth.

Eb

 

[Lilee]

I have seen men who were outwardly handsome turn into Quasimoto in less than 30 seconds after they opened their mouth.

Eb

Too funny, and too true.

 

[RisiaSkye]

Pure sent me an invite to this thread. I read over some of it.
It is amusing that "I can't find it on Google" seems to equate to "it doesn't exist" to some people.

On the subject of the historical existence of male submission to female dominance:
You would do well to consider the sexual liaisons of female monarchs--particularly Catherine the Great, who infamously kept male slaves, and Elizabeth the first, whose relationships (particularly that with Francis Drake) were widely speculated about at the time.

~~~
Edited to add:

Having just read over more of the thread, I remember why I left. Is it really still a debate that male submission exists? Because, if so, y'all can't have too much life experience--or at least haven't been to many play parties. Every party I've been to (not *that* many, but enough) had an overabundance of Mdoms, and a dearth of Fdoms compared to the demand. I've been solicited as a Domme at every single event, and it ain't like I'm something so ever-loving special.

Also, are we really still in a place where saying "all women want to be dominated" is treated as a serious statement? Oh, gods deliver me from banal misogyny.

 

[cuklet]

Ebonyfire;

You are right that people may be attractive on a number of levels-and thank goodness for that!

And so, the message for subs might be: we should come across with more than "abuse me, mistress!", because that isn't very attractive. Perhaps this is true across genders, I just suspect it is more true for male subs, as there aren't as many female dommes for every male sub, and wimpiness isn't as erotically attractive. (but being "wimpy" may be exactly what turns some male subs on)

Caveats:

-Some dommes are attracted to submissives
-Some dommes are attracted to submissiveness
-Some dommes are attracted to wimpiness
-Not all subs are wimpy
-Not all wimps are subs

 

[MorfeuV]

Hahaha!

Some people ASSUME to know things they have not the ability to comprehend... like the mind of ALL women.

No.

RJ Masters pretty much summed it up on page 4 of this discussion.


I'm honestly surprised you bought into my bullshit!!!!


I was only reverberating gender stereotypes back to the people who beleive in them.

*I'm just adding wood to the fire...... while sepparating the chaff from the wheat.

 

[MorfeuV]

Hahaha!

Also, are we really still in a place where saying "all women want to be dominated" is treated as a serious statement? Oh, gods deliver me from banal misogyny.

This lady knows!

 

[saw_man1]

I'm honestly surprised you bought into my bullshit!!!!

I was only reverberating gender stereotypes back to the people who beleive in them.

*I'm just adding wood to the fire...... while sepparating the chaff from the wheat.

What you did separate was yourself from those who have some intelligence.

 

[MorfeuV]

Oh...ok...

What you did separate was yourself from those who have some intelligence.

If someone gets offended by something so trivial, that's their problem; it will only make me think less of them.

 

[Aeroil]

That was probably on purpose since humble is not in his vocabulary.

heeeh, the over-arrogance persona that I so often do for comical purposes never works if you claim to be humble, it ruins the act.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Pure sent me an invite to this thread. I read over some of it.
It is amusing that "I can't find it on Google" seems to equate to "it doesn't exist" to some people.

On the subject of the historical existence of male submission to female dominance:
You would do well to consider the sexual liaisons of female monarchs--particularly Catherine the Great, who infamously kept male slaves, and Elizabeth the first, whose relationships (particularly that with Francis Drake) were widely speculated about at the time.

~~~
Edited to add:

Having just read over more of the thread, I remember why I left. Is it really still a debate that male submission exists? Because, if so, y'all can't have too much life experience--or at least haven't been to many play parties. Every party I've been to (not *that* many, but enough) had an overabundance of Mdoms, and a dearth of Fdoms compared to the demand. I've been solicited as a Domme at every single event, and it ain't like I'm something so ever-loving special.

Also, are we really still in a place where saying "all women want to be dominated" is treated as a serious statement? Oh, gods deliver me from banal misogyny.

Hey Risia, I hope life is treating you well. Lit is a good place still to waste time. As for taking it seriously, some do and some don't.

Take care.

 

[eroticspank]

Oh I am not so sure about that. Individuals are attracted to others on many different levels. Much of that isn't necessarily tied to the exterior. There are attributes that can be intangible, that draw us to others.

Looks can only carry you so far.

As for being attractive, one man's/woman's a-hole is another man/woman's prince/ss. Sooner or later the fog of lust falls from your eyes and you have to get out of bed and talk to the person.

I will take intelligence, wit, humor, and the right smell over looks ANY day.

I have seen men who were outwardly handsome turn into Quasimoto in less than 30 seconds after they opened their mouth.

Eb

Well put Ebonyfire!! Chemistry is very important!

ES

 

[Ebonyfire]

Well put Ebonyfire!! Chemistry is very important!

ES

There is something to be said for the right pheromone and/or the right smell. I pay a lot of attention to how someone smells to me. It is almost like the reaction one can have from the wrong perfume. It is not that the person is stinky or dirty, he just has to smell right to me.

 

[eroticspank]

There is something to be said for the right pheromone and/or the right smell. I pay a lot of attention to how someone smells to me. It is almost like the reaction one can have from the wrong perfume. It is not that the person is stinky or dirty, he just has to smell right to me.

That is big one for me too....smells. And I believe I am drawn to certain Dommes by their pheromones or on a sligthly deeper level their energy. I know it sounds corny but I really believe part of your chemistry with someone is really how your body chemistry and energy connects.

There are some people you are around and you just get a bad vibe from them, and they have not even talked to you. Some of it is the pheromones but some of it is just your auras or energy conflicting.

ES

 

[Ebonyfire]

That is big one for me too....smells. And I believe I am drawn to certain Dommes by their pheromones or on a sligthly deeper level their energy. I know it sounds corny but I really believe part of your chemistry with someone is really how your body chemistry and energy connects.

There are some people you are around and you just get a bad vibe from them, and they have not even talked to you. Some of it is the pheromones but some of it is just your auras or energy conflicting.

ES

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always thought that smell is important. I remember when my daughter was little she just smelled like she belonged to me, lol and vice versa. she still puts her face in my neck to get my smell. She says my smell is comforting to her and I still smell the same. LOL

 

[A Desert Rose]

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always thought that smell is important. I remember when my daughter was little she just smelled like she belonged to me, lol and vice versa. she still puts her face in my neck to get my smell. She says my smell is comforting to her and I still smell the same. LOL

Someone did a study some time ago about smell. I saw this on Nova and I think it was a Scandinavian group who did it.

Men's dirty, smelly Tshirts were put in shoe boxes with a hole cut in the end of it. The DNA of both the female smellers and the male smellees were then tested and it was found that women found the smell of men who were very genetically different from them, attractive.

Theory is: Women pick mates who will add new and different genes to the gene pool in order to insure the further existance of humankind. Makes sense to me, at least.

 

[RisiaSkye]

minor hijack

Hey Risia, I hope life is treating you well. Lit is a good place still to waste time. As for taking it seriously, some do and some don't.

Take care.

Hello there, Lady. Life is good, as I hope it is for you.
And I trust you've maintained your ability not to get caught up in B.S. You always were one of the best for calling it like you see it. An admirable trait.
Best,
RS

 

[Netzach]

Someone did a study some time ago about smell. I saw this on Nova and I think it was a Scandinavian group who did it.

Men's dirty, smelly Tshirts were put in shoe boxes with a hole cut in the end of it. The DNA of both the female smellers and the male smellees were then tested and it was found that women found the smell of men who were very genetically different from them, attractive.

Theory is: Women pick mates who will add new and different genes to the gene pool in order to insure the further existance of humankind. Makes sense to me, at least.

This is my idea of cruelty to humans. Ech.

 

[A Desert Rose]

This is my idea of cruelty to humans. Ech.

LOL, yea but it seems to have some basis in reality. Kinda.

 

[Pure]

RS Is it really still a debate that male submission exists? Because, if so, y'all can't have too much life experience--or at least haven't been to many play parties.

thanks for dropping in RS.

P: i haven't been to play parties. on the face of it, it's quite a stretch to see a parallel between the men who served/serviced Catherine ("submit to" sense 1); and the eager fellows, at a play party proposing to "submit to" (sense 2) an attractive female whom they've decided may act as domme. perhaps these latter fellows fantasize themselves as the former.

i see Catherine as having actual power and obtaining, i presume, actual submission; any number of monarchs of both sexes have obtained this. but, if i may go by the word of ebonyfire, the vast majority of candidate "subs" do not in fact propose actual "submission" (sense 1) at all.

i understood the thread to be about male 'subs' (self labeled); questioning what they often have in mind in the way of submission is not IMO the same as asking 'do any males actually submit to females?' that's a question which has an obvious 'yes' answer for all ages.

Risia, i'm not sure i understand the parallel you're intending to draw, except perhaps in fantasy; but thanks sharing your historical knowledge and practical experience. It's missed.

 

[eroticspank]

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always thought that smell is important. I remember when my daughter was little she just smelled like she belonged to me, lol and vice versa. she still puts her face in my neck to get my smell. She says my smell is comforting to her and I still smell the same. LOL

Wow! Now that is very touching!! Now I want kids!!


ES

 

[Ebonyfire]

Wow! Now that is very touching!! Now I want kids!!


ES

They try you day after day, but being a mother is my finest achievement in life. It is heady stuff be be able to give birth.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Theory is: Women pick mates who will add new and different genes to the gene pool in order to insure the further existance of humankind. Makes sense to me, at least.

Or when you get my age, you pick the best possible man blanket/slave for yourself.

[Yes, man blanket is a job task]

 

[Ebonyfire]

Hello there, Lady. Life is good, as I hope it is for you.
And I trust you've maintained your ability not to get caught up in B.S. You always were one of the best for calling it like you see it. An admirable trait.
Best,
RS

I have gotten perverse in my old age. I sometimes find myself feeding trolls. God, I must be bored.

And yes, life is grand.

 

[MorfeuV]