Why it is important to doubt the gatekeepers....

[JaySecrets]

Great. I ain’t even listening to this but your post is Coded racism too.
You’re a fuckin failure all around.

If someone disagrees with you they are a "coded racist". The last refuge of a leftist losing a debate. You just lost any actual credibility by any actual debate standards. Thank you for proving my point once again.

And I don't really care how many leftists you get to agree with you against my position. Group Socialism and support for government tyranny doesn't make that group right. Just makes it a group of useful idiots.

 

[JaySecrets]

JaySecretion apparently "thinks" sane, decent, intelligent individuals want to be, need to be, and should be, exposed to garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation, sites, and that garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation sites should receive the same priority in the search queue as high quality sites.



I’m all good with the way things currently are. I have no problem finding balanced reporting and competing viewpoints from credible and accredited sites when researching a political topic.

Full stop.

You are happy to be brainwashed and lied to. Check. You are part of the problem. Check.

Any people that will trade their liberty and responsibility for convenience and security deserves neither and will soon lose it all.

 

[JaySecrets]

JaySecretion apparently "thinks" sane, decent, intelligent individuals want to be, need to be, and should be, exposed to garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation, sites, and that garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation sites should receive the same priority in the search queue as high quality sites.



I’m all good with the way things currently are. I have no problem finding balanced reporting and competing viewpoints from credible and accredited sites when researching a political topic.

Full stop.

By the way, you ever ask WHO accredited those sources and what their authority is? "Peers". But who are they and what are their credentials? What do they believe? What motivated them? What is their source of money? Why are they smarter and more qualified than you or I, so much so that they get to do your thinking for you? Are you really that much of a sheeple?

 

[Lazaran]

By the way, you ever ask WHO accredited those sources and what their authority is? "Peers". But who are they and what are their credentials? What do they believe? What motivated them? What is their source of money? Why are they smarter and more qualified than you or I, so much so that they get to do your thinking for you? Are you really that much of a sheeple?

JaySecretions is a fucking imbecile.



Comparing what is reported to what I see with my own eyes, hear with my own ears, and experience in my own life gives me a pretty good idea of who is credible. Accreditation requires a faaaaar more rigorous set of standards to be met.



But screw that ^ - let’s just listen to JaySeceetions and the non-accredited and non-credible sources that JaySecretions insists must be given equal credence and attention.



JaySecretions

 

[JaySecrets]

JaySecretions is a fucking imbecile.



Comparing what is reported to what I see with my own eyes, hear with my own ears, and experience in my own life gives me a pretty good idea of who is credible. Accreditation requires a faaaaar more rigorous set of standards to be met.



But screw that ^ - let’s just listen to JaySeceetions and the non-accredited and non-credible sources that JaySecretions insists must be given equal credence and attention.



JaySecretions

I'm not saying you even need to agree with my resources. I have a friend who is an Alex Jones crazy and who is borderline anti-semitic. I can't stand his position and consider his sources absolutely unhinged. But I believe that if he goes to Google or to research sites, or you do, or anyone, each person should be able to be directed to the information they are clearly looking for. It's not the information keepers' job to say what is equal or good. It's their job to organize and dispense the information being looked for. That's it. No more. Anymore is telling people how and what to think. Put ALL the information at anyone's hands, then let people debate, discourse, or just enclave. That's how a free society works. Anything less is a form of top-down control, manipulation and tyranny.

 

[PaxNurgle]

What's the over/under thar jay and glam are the same person?

Zero;
Jay Secrets = TrailerHitch/JoePepsiCo guy,
Glamorilla = Hisarpy/1-million-other-names guy.

The thing is, Jay Secrets is actually somewhat more likeable than the other guy because at least he is somewhat more rational and intelligent, though with the Hisarpy guy that's setting the bar pretty low, and I still find many of Jay/Trailer's opinions to be... problematic at best.

Here's the thing; I see this with a LOT of people. They stick to media sources to affirm their own preconcieved opinions, rather than use non-biased media to shape their opinions. Which allows them to be subject to manipulation and believing in outright falsehoods and flawed logic. And whenever a non-biased media source de-bunks their preconceived beliefs with "Facts" they then claim such media is "biased." Take snopes.com for example. The whole point of snopes.com is to fact-check and debunk- that's all it does. Donald Trump tells a lot of lies, and many news sources- the self-described "Pro-Trump News Media" (who will sometimes even advertise themselves as such!) will repeat those lies. Then Snopes debunks them- and, predictably, these people will falsely claim that snopes has a "Liberal Bias." It does not. It has an honesty bias. Should Kamala Harris start making blatantly egregiously false claims, which snopes then goes onto debunk, I suspect many liberals will likely start whining that Snopes has a "right wing bias."

 

[Lazaran]

I'm not saying you even need to agree with my resources. I have a friend who is an Alex Jones crazy and who is borderline anti-semitic. I can't stand his position and consider his sources absolutely unhinged. But I believe that if he goes to Google or to research sites, or you do, or anyone, each person should be able to be directed to the information they are clearly looking for. It's not the information keepers' job to say what is equal or good. It's their job to organize and dispense the information being looked for. That's it. No more. Anymore is telling people how and what to think. Put ALL the information at anyone's hands, then let people debate, discourse, or just enclave. That's how a free society works. Anything less is a form of top-down control, manipulation and tyranny.

JaySecretions

 

[glamorilla]

Harris has been elected to all of the positions I mentioned.

Do you realize that nearly one in eight Americans live in California? Nearly everyone who owns a home in California can sell it and buy far more in most other states. Cashing in on capital gains and buying something new is a very common way to upgrade your home. You know, playing the market? It’s a common capitalist concept.


What position was Harris appointed to besides the position she earned on merit at the beginning of her career? Again, the constitution describes how the VP is next in line, she already earned her spot.

Poling theoretical ideas is much different from polling reality. Check back on the polls in a week.

Do you understand what “elected” means? Probably not if you actually think Trump won 2020.

All outstanding accomplishments.

Putting aside your list how do you think she's performed throughout her career? Politics, entertainment, business, life is filled with people who fail upwards because we keep letting them, through luck, persistence, money and familial connections. There are examples everywhere. Trump.

Public opinion of her is not good. This is because even with all of those accomplishments she really doesn't have any. None that are positive. If she did why we don't know about them? Why haven't they been rolled out every time she makes an ass out of herself on camera? is she sharp as a whip behind the scenes like Biden?We do know about Trumps mistakes...but we also know about his successes. We had the for four...well three and a half years (Donny got Biden'd) of success.

You can actually look at our world and tell me we were not better off four years ago?

If she was truly presidential material leftist media would not be currently bombarding us with the message Kamala Harris is a mary sue.

 

[JaySecrets]

Zero;
Jay Secrets = TrailerHitch/JoePepsiCo guy,
Glamorilla = Hisarpy/1-million-other-names guy.

The thing is, Jay Secrets is actually somewhat more likeable than the other guy because at least he is somewhat more rational and intelligent, though with the Hisarpy guy that's setting the bar pretty low, and I still find many of Jay/Trailer's opinions to be... problematic at best.

Here's the thing; I see this with a LOT of people. They stick to media sources to affirm their own preconcieved opinions, rather than use non-biased media to shape their opinions. Which allows them to be subject to manipulation and believing in outright falsehoods and flawed logic. And whenever a non-biased media source de-bunks their preconceived beliefs with "Facts" they then claim such media is "biased." Take snopes.com for example. The whole point of snopes.com is to fact-check and debunk- that's all it does. Donald Trump tells a lot of lies, and many news sources- the self-described "Pro-Trump News Media" (who will sometimes even advertise themselves as such!) will repeat those lies. Then Snopes debunks them- and, predictably, these people will falsely claim that snopes has a "Liberal Bias." It does not. It has an honesty bias. Should Kamala Harris start making blatantly egregiously false claims, which snopes then goes onto debunk, I suspect many liberals will likely start whining that Snopes has a "right wing bias."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...es-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

Snopes is a very left leaning source that refuses to be fact checked themselves. You are proving my point by who you cite.

 

[Bn2f]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...es-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

Snopes is a very left leaning source that refuses to be fact checked themselves. You are proving my point by who you cite.

Well, I didn’t nail this prediction.

Usually it takes him at least 8 pages of circular and useless droning on and on before he shows himself to be a fraud.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You are happy to be brainwashed and lied to. Check. You are part of the problem. Check.

Any people that will trade their liberty and responsibility for convenience and security deserves neither and will soon lose it all.

YOu’ve repeatedly said that people don’t need to have sex to procreate and millions of people magically appeared on Earth.

While championing a convicted felon who wants to build a wall to take away liberty.

 

[YDB95]

If you think the MSM is biased towards CONSERVATIVES!!! God help us all if you represent any mainline thought, because you have moved WAAAAAAY to the extreme left to have them to the right of you.

No, it just looks that way from your extreme right perspective. The fact is, the media has always been center-right at best. Its liberal reputation is really based on nothing more than decades of bleating about it from the right. Repetition does not prove the truth, but it makes it a lot easier for ill-informed people to believe something is true.

 

[JaySecrets]

Well, I didn’t nail this prediction.

So Forbes is a terrible source of information too.... beeeeecause... Oh yeah, they disagree with you. And actually fact checked your fact checker. Bet they are coded racists too. Just like Tim Scott, Ben Carson, and Larry Elder.

Give me a break. You have bad information, biased sources, and don't want anyone to see any position openly available to be read, considered, and challenged on its own merit unless it agrees with yours. But y'all are all about free thought and individual liberty. Unlike those racist tyrants on the right who want access to all information on the information sources. Damn Nazis they are.

You are out your minds.

 

[JaySecrets]

Well, I didn’t nail this prediction.

In fact, let's just round up all these Nazi conservatives who dare take issue with your accredited sources and fact checkers, and put them in reeducation camps. That way they can become freedom loving free thinkers like you.

 

[PaxNurgle]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...es-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

Snopes is a very left leaning source that refuses to be fact checked themselves. You are proving my point by who you cite.

THIS...IS...EXACTLY...MY...POINT!
Which you clearly missed. Re-read my post. Snopes is NOT a very left leaning source, nor is it a very RIGHT leaning source. It is a truth-leaning source.

The very fact that you call it a "left leaning source" proves one thing- you cannot handle the truth.
It is, at best, intellectual dishonesty. At worst, it is intellectual immaturity.

"You mean the Easter Bunny isn't real? Well then Snopes is an adult leaning source, whaaaah!"

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

THIS...IS...EXACTLY...MY...POINT!
Which you clearly missed. Re-read my post. Snopes is NOT a very left leaning source, nor is it a very RIGHT leaning source. It is a truth-leaning source.

The very fact that you call it a "left leaning source" proves one thing- you cannot handle the truth.
It is, at best, intellectual dishonesty. At worst, it is intellectual immaturity.

"You mean the Easter Bunny isn't real? Well then Snopes is an adult leaning source, whaaaah!"

And the fact that he cites Forbes, a left leaning source to “disprove” a left leaning source.

 

[YDB95]

When Socialists gain power by dishonesty and theft, yep, I 'm sick of that government. So is middle America. You know, those farmers and rednecks you write off as ignorant flyover country. But WE, not you, are the makeup of the bulk of this nation. We love her. We would die for her. We love the Constitution as it was written. We love and respect the Flag. We honor our police officers. We are the people of "Try That In a Small Town". And we consider government a necessary evil that needs to be seriously put into check and rolled back, not expanded. The founders believed the same thing. That you don't understand that shows how anti-America you really are.

These are not the words of a person who values the truth or honesty in news reporting. I don't expect you to get that, but trust me, the rest of us do.

 

[AlexBailey]

So Forbes is a terrible source of information too.... beeeeecause... Oh yeah, they disagree with you. And actually fact checked your fact checker. Bet they are coded racists too. Just like Tim Scott, Ben Carson, and Larry Elder.

Give me a break. You have bad information, biased sources, and don't want anyone to see any position openly available to be read, considered, and challenged on its own merit unless it agrees with yours. But y'all are all about free thought and individual liberty. Unlike those racist tyrants on the right who want access to all information on the information sources. Damn Nazis they are.

You are out your minds.

Okay, let’s entertain your argument that you have good sources of information. Let’s see what you’ve got.

You don’t trust a Senate Intelligence Committee investigation report, you don’t believe peer reviewed science, you don’t believe any MSM sources…


Give a link to some actual news - some useful and valuable information, something that is verifiable that could help a person understand and appreciate your perspective on an issue.

What should Google be showing that it isn’t when we search for real news?

 

[glamorilla]

I've been living in new york forty years. its has never been like this. not since the biden/harris administration took office.
there has always been an influx of illegals but its like they stuffed ten million tons of shit into a five million pound bag and dumped it on us.

this applies across the board. every single thing the biden/harris administration has touched has been a failure. i do take a look at both sides. i've never been a fan of republicans. i'm not a republican. I go on record stating i've detested every president we've had in my lifetime that i could vote for. when i look at one sides facts and i look at the other sides facts and they contradict each other while both telling me to believe them...the deciding vote is up to me. Not what they tell me. Theres War. Inflation and insane utilities. Rents and home costs. lgbtqia+. race baiting and division. Corrupt courts. covid. an invasion of illegal aliens. Climate change. Voter fraud. These are things that have always been a problem. In the hands of the Biden/Harris administration these have become weapons being used on us. Its too dramatic a spike over the past four years for it to not be manufactured.

I want my vote to go to getting the people doing this out.

i know there is no magic do over button the vice president can hit to make everything okay instantly. why are we treating her like she just did? because they managed to get rid of a sick man they've been telling us is well for how many years until they couldn't hide it anymore? I'm expecting her and the entirety of the left to begin pinning everything on joe. you know. crazy ole gramps. "it wasn't us. it was him! we didn't push through insanity while his brain was disintegrating

If it wasn't for the biden/harris administration we wouldn't be involved in two wars. Russia would have never invaded the ukraine and october 7th would have never happened. The people you are mourning would have never killed the people you aren't. They would all be alive. The people who lost their lives in Afghanistan would be alive. The people killed by illegals would still be alive. They're pushing for a war with Iran. This is the result of weak and deceptive leadership. This is the result of the entire biden administration actively covering up his decline over the past six years.

Even if by some comedy of errors all the people pulling bidens strings managed to solve everything they still lied to us.

I am taking all of Kamala Harris accomplishments into account when I say I am voting for Donald Trump.

 

[AlexBailey]

I've been living in new york forty years. its has never been like this. not since the biden/harris administration took office.
there has always been an influx of illegals but its like they stuffed ten million tons of shit into a five million pound bag and dumped it on us.

this applies across the board. every single thing the biden/harris administration has touched has been a failure. i do take a look at both sides. i've never been a fan of republicans. i'm not a republican. I go on record stating i've detested every president we've had in my lifetime that i could vote for. when i look at one sides facts and i look at the other sides facts and they contradict each other while both telling me to believe them...the deciding vote is up to me. Not what they tell me. Theres War. Inflation and insane utilities. Rents and home costs. lgbtqia+. race baiting and division. Corrupt courts. covid. an invasion of illegal aliens. Climate change. Voter fraud. These are things that have always been a problem. In the hands of the Biden/Harris administration these have become weapons being used on us. Its too dramatic a spike over the past four years for it to not be manufactured.

I want my vote to go to getting the people doing this out.

i know there is no magic do over button the vice president can hit to make everything okay instantly. why are we treating her like she just did? because they managed to get rid of a sick man they've been telling us is well for how many years until they couldn't hide it anymore? I'm expecting her and the entirety of the left to begin pinning everything on joe. you know. crazy ole gramps. "it wasn't us. it was him! we didn't push through insanity while his brain was disintegrating

If it wasn't for the biden/harris administration we wouldn't be involved in two wars. Russia would have never invaded the ukraine and october 7th would have never happened. The people you are mourning would have never killed the people you aren't. They would all be alive. The people who lost their lives in Afghanistan would be alive. The people killed by illegals would still be alive. They're pushing for a war with Iran. This is the result of weak and deceptive leadership. This is the result of the entire biden administration actively covering up his decline over the past six years.

Even if by some comedy of errors all the people pulling bidens strings managed to solve everything they still lied to us.

I am taking all of Kamala Harris accomplishments into account when I say I am voting for Donald Trump.

Enjoy project 2025. I’m sure you’ll appreciate the government enforced Christian family values.

 

[glamorilla]

Enjoy project 2025.

I prefer it to sharia law.

 

[glamorilla]

I’m sure you’ll appreciate the government enforced Christian family values.

you mean like police showing up where i work to make sure we're all vaccinated?

 

[Bn2f]

In fact, let's just round up all these Nazi conservatives who dare take issue with your accredited sources and fact checkers, and put them in reeducation camps. That way they can become freedom loving free thinkers like you.

I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you’re referencing nazis. I’m attacking YOU. You only. Your fake Christianity, facts, and everything else. You’re a fraud. You’re nowhere close to being a truth seeker or teller.

 

[Bn2f]

Bet they are coded racists too. Just like Tim Scott, Ben Carson, and Larry Elder.

Meh.

This is about the closest in agreeing you and I may get. Tim Scott IS a racist. He has a voting power to perpetuate a system that victimizes minorities including women and he actively uses it. The other two are sell out opportunists who have profited off the system. There’s a nuance to it that I don’t think a shit person claiming to be a Christian like you would understand. Maybe, I dunno, diversify your reading material and the people you have in your wretched so called life.

Correction. Your life probably isn’t wretched. It’s in fact probably very privileged and exclusive judging from how you continually tell us how you view the world. GFY

 

[YDB95]

I prefer it to sharia law.

You are aware that absolutely no one is advocating for that in the USA, aren't you? Or is that the latest Fox News scare tactic?