Why it is important to doubt the gatekeepers....

[JaySecrets]

Donald Trump debated President Biden before he was the official nominee.

You clearly don't understand the distain normal, average Americans on both sides have for the way your party has been ignoring the will of the people in choosing its nominees. Until she is officially chosen, she doesn't deserve the debate. She has no accomplishments to claim. She is rather hated as a candidate if last primary is any indication. Even the people of Chicago are protesting the DNC in their city, and they are a Dem stronghold. Of course your gatekeepers can't let these bits out. They might lead to honest debate and discussion.

 

[JaySecrets]

Disproven? It’s been proven that Trump’s campaign manager for 2016 was a Russian asset but Trump supporters choose to ignore it.

Your claim here has in fact been disproven, not that you would know it with a Google search today. Kinda my point.

Is there any source for fact that you would believe if it spoke badly of your belief in Trump?

I don't have some blind belief in Trump. I'm just sick of the lies about him from your side and your constant double standards, protected by filtering any information the public has access to in any venue they would normally go to look. Let me be blunt. YOUR SIDE IS A GROUP OF ENTITLED ELITIST LYING DEMOGOGS ACCUSING THEIR OPPOSITION OF THE THINGS THEY THEMSELVES ARE DOING, THEN USING THEIR POWER TO HIDE TRUTH FROM THE PUBLIC! That clear enough?

Would discount a GOP lead Senate Intelligence Committee investigation?

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

See Findings page vi.

Investigation into the actual crimes and treason of Biden and his cronies? Sure. Wait, that doesn't exist because Google says so.

 

[AlexBailey]

Until she is officially chosen, she doesn't deserve the debate. She has no accomplishments to claim.

Harris is the elected VPOTUS. She is legally next in line if the POTUS is unable to continue with his duties.

Harris has been the President of the US Senate for the last 3 1/2 years.

Harris was an elected senator before that.

Harris was the elected Attorney General of the most populous state in the US.

Harris was the elected district attorney in San Francisco.

Harris became member of the California Bar Association in 1990.


Who is more qualified to be candidate for POTUS in 2024?

 

[AlexBailey]

Your claim here has in fact been disproven, not that you would know it with a Google search today. Kinda my point.

I don't have some blind belief in Trump. I'm just sick of the lies about him from your side and your constant double standards, protected by filtering any information the public has access to in any venue they would normally go to look. Let me be blunt. YOUR SIDE IS A GROUP OF ENTITLED ELITIST LYING DEMOGOGS ACCUSING THEIR OPPOSITION OF THE THINGS THEY THEMSELVES ARE DOING, THEN USING THEIR POWER TO HIDE TRUTH FROM THE PUBLIC! That clear enough?

Investigation into the actual crimes and treason of Biden and his cronies? Sure. Wait, that doesn't exist because Google says so.

So you ignore the Senate Intelligence Committee’s findings about Trump’s campaign manager and how he shared information during the campaign with Russian intelligence operatives?


You have no credible basis for determining what is and is not fact. Your self embraced impediment makes it impossible for you to evaluate what is and is not true.

If you think I am wrong answer this simple question: What sources of information do you trust?

 

[glamorilla]

So you ignore the Senate Intelligence Committee’s findings about Trump’s campaign manager and how he shared information during the campaign with Russian intelligence operatives?


You have no credible basis for determining what is and is not fact. Your self embraced impediment makes it impossible for you to evaluate what is and is not true.

If you think I am wrong answer this simple question: What sources of information do you trust?

certainly nobody that tells me joe biden is cogent.

 

[AlexBailey]

certainly nobody that tells me joe biden is cogent.

Who is telling you that?

You’re a source of fake new yourself.

 

[JaySecrets]

Harris is the elected VPOTUS. She is legally next in line if the POTUS is unable to continue with his duties.

Harris has been the President of the US Senate for the last 3 1/2 years.

Harris was an elected senator before that.

Harris was the elected Attorney General of the most populous state in the US.

Harris was the elected district attorney in San Francisco.

Harris became a meme we of the California Bar Association in 1990.


Who is more qualified to be candidate for POTUS in 2024?

If you think middle America, even the Dems, have any respect for California, their ideas, or their opinions, you seriously need to pay more attention. Hell, even Californians are flooding out of California. The US Senate, particularly the Democrat side, has been out of touch with the American public for more than a decade. Every role she has had in public has happened either in a highly unpopular state with bad ideas (and she comported herself badly in those roles) or in offices she was appointed to by liberal elites BECAUSE of her extremist views. When put to the vote of the majority of America, she has failed miserably. But again, this may be news to you given the bad information you get from Googling her name.

Trump actually won an election on his own merit, and did an amazing job while in. Again you might not have access to that information tho.

 

[glamorilla]

If you think middle America, even the Dems, have any respect for California, their ideas, or their opinions, you seriously need to pay more attention. Hell, even Californians are flooding out of California. The US Senate, particularly the Democrat side, has been out of touch with the American public for more than a decade. Every role she has had in public has happened either in a highly unpopular state with bad ideas (and she comported herself badly in those roles) or in offices she was appointed to by liberal elites BECAUSE of her extremist views. When put to the vote of the majority of America, she has failed miserably. But again, this may be news to you given the bad information you get from Googling her name.

Trump actually won an election on his own merit, and did an amazing job while in. Again you might not have access to that information tho.

well according to her cnn is fake news.

 

[AlexBailey]

If you think middle America, even the Dems, have any respect for California, their ideas, or their opinions, you seriously need to pay more attention. Hell, even Californians are flooding out of California. The US Senate, particularly the Democrat side, has been out of touch with the American public for more than a decade. Every role she has had in public has happened either in a highly unpopular state with bad ideas (and she comported herself badly in those roles) or in offices she was appointed to by liberal elites BECAUSE of her extremist views. When put to the vote of the majority of America, she has failed miserably. But again, this may be news to you given the bad information you get from Googling her name.

Trump actually won an election on his own merit, and did an amazing job while in. Again you might not have access to that information tho.

Harris has been elected to all of the positions I mentioned.

Do you realize that nearly one in eight Americans live in California? Nearly everyone who owns a home in California can sell it and buy far more in most other states. Cashing in on capital gains and buying something new is a very common way to upgrade your home. You know, playing the market? It’s a common capitalist concept.


What position was Harris appointed to besides the position she earned on merit at the beginning of her career? Again, the constitution describes how the VP is next in line, she already earned her spot.

Poling theoretical ideas is much different from polling reality. Check back on the polls in a week.

Do you understand what “elected” means? Probably not if you actually think Trump won 2020.

 

[JaySecrets]

So you ignore the Senate Intelligence Committee’s findings about Trump’s campaign manager and how he shared information during the campaign with Russian intelligence operatives?

The SIC is a pathetic parody of what it claims to be. They ARE the establishment. What is it you think normal Americans are sick of? The very people you are citing.

You have no credible basis for determining what is and is not fact. Your self embraced impediment makes it impossible for you to evaluate what is and is not true.

Sure I do. I go to independent research places that have a history of not lying and of getting predictions right because they had good sources. You of course call them slanted and hate them. But they keep getting proven right.

If you think I am wrong answer this simple question: What sources of information do you trust?

Here's a few, whether or not you like their worldview:

InfoWars
WorldviewWeekend
CrossTalk
American Family Counsel
Eagle Forum

There's a few start points. But you will reject them because they don't spew your lefty views.

Side note. In answering, my point was proven again. I was drawing a blank on Eagle Forum's name and Googled "Conservative Resources". I have no history of searching any environmental resources. Yet I got nothing of what I was clearly looking for , and a list of Conservation, environmentalist orgs. I Googled Democrat resources and got an extensive list and a lot of easy lists.

You STILL going to deny bias?!!!

 

[Bn2f]

I think you meant Trump, but let me tamp this talking point down. It makes for a good sound bite but what’s been reported is they’re waiting for Harris to be the official nominee.

Spin it however you like!

I'll spin it.
NEITHER was the official nominee during the first debate.

 

[JaySecrets]

Harris has been elected to all of the positions I mentioned.

Elected by a group in a state mocked by most of us in America. Let me guess.... You live in or around New York, CA, or some other East or West Coast state. You guys have no clue what normal Americans in the bulk of the nation believe. Y'all really are clueless as to real life.

Do you realize that nearly one in eight Americans live in California? Nearly everyone who owns a home in California can sell it and buy far more in most other states. Cashing in on capital gains and buying something new is a very common way to upgrade your home. You know, playing the market? It’s a common capitalist concept.

People and businesses are leaving your overtaxed, insane cost of living, poor quality of life, godforsaken CA in drives. Drop the propaganda, Nancy. Again Google is hiding information from you.

What position was Harris appointed to besides the position she earned on merit at the beginning of her career? Again, the constitution describes how the VP is next in line, she already earned her spot.

VP... And her appointment at he begining of her career was based on the worst kind of merit in one of the most Socialist states in the country.

And you Really don't want me to cite her prosecution of churches, Christians, pro lifers, and her attacks on individual liberty while she was AG.

Poling theoretical ideas is much different from polling reality. Check back on the polls in a week.

Do you understand what “elected” means? Probably not if you actually think Trump won 2020.

You gotta stop getting your information from the "legacy" media and Google. You are getting more ignorant by the day.

 

[Bn2f]

If you think middle America, even the Dems, have any respect for California, their ideas, or their opinions, you seriously need to pay more attention. Hell, even Californians are flooding out of California. The US Senate, particularly the Democrat side, has been out of touch with the American public for more than a decade. Every role she has had in public has happened either in a highly unpopular state with bad ideas (and she comported herself badly in those roles) or in offices she was appointed to by liberal elites BECAUSE of her extremist views. When put to the vote of the majority of America, she has failed miserably. But again, this may be news to you given the bad information you get from Googling her name.

Trump actually won an election on his own merit, and did an amazing job while in. Again you might not have access to that information tho.

Oh yes, now I remember why I have particular distaste for you. You are the so called devout Christian who has forsaken the word of the lord and savior Jesus to cowtow and suck up to the false idol worship of trump. GFY again if I never told you that before which I'm sure I did.

 

[JaySecrets]

Oh yes, now I remember why I have particular distaste for you. You are the so called devout Christian who has forsaken the word of the lord and savior Jesus to cowtow and suck up to the false idol worship of trump. GFY again if I never told you that before which I'm sure I did.

Ad hominem attacks not based on anything I said (I have never blanketly followed any man, let alone Trump, and you are only hearing what you want to hear if you think otherwise) do not disprove the point being made. Still waiting for a real response to the challenge in the actual topic on this thread.

 

[AlexBailey]

The SIC is a pathetic parody of what it claims to be. They ARE the establishment. What is it you think normal Americans are sick of? The very people you are citing.

You are literally anti-American. You are saying you are sick of the elected American government while saying the left “hates America”.

You just earned clown status.

Sure I do. I go to independent research places that have a history of not lying and of getting predictions right because they had good sources. You of course call them slanted and hate them. But they keep getting proven right.

Here's a few, whether or not you like their worldview:

InfoWars

Alex Jones? Really?

WorldviewWeekend

• Overall, we rate Worldview Weekend Far-Right Biased and a tinfoil hat conspiracy and quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of right-wing propaganda and numerous false or unproven claims.

CrossTalk

Overall, we rate The Duran (crosstalk) as a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.

American Family Counsel

• Overall, we rate the Family Research Council (FRC) Questionable based on the promotion of far-right conspiracy and propaganda, a lack of transparency with funding, poor sourcing, numerous failed fact checks, and 3rd party designation as a hate group.

Eagle Forum

More far right propaganda with questionable facts.

There's a few start points. But you will reject them because they don't spew your lefty views.

Side note. In answering, my point was proven again. I was drawing a blank on Eagle Forum's name and Googled "Conservative Resources". I have no history of searching any environmental resources. Yet I got nothing of what I was clearly looking for , and a list of Conservation, environmentalist orgs. I Googled Democrat resources and got an extensive list and a lot of easy lists.

You STILL going to deny bias?!!!

And you discredit peer reviewed science?


Holy fuck dude. You want google to link to garbage sources.

You will always be disappointed.

 

[Bn2f]

Ad hominem attacks not based on anything I said (I have never blanketly followed any man, let alone Trump, and you are only hearing what you want to hear if you think otherwise) do not disprove the point being made. Still waiting for a real response to the challenge in the actual topic on this thread.

Ya fuckin right I'm fuckin cursing your ass. I know the word of Christ and any follower of trump is a fuckin piece of shit heathen in mine and the Lord's eyes. Burn in hell for your treason against America and the teachings of Christ.

 

[JaySecrets]

Harris has been elected to all of the positions I mentioned.

Do you realize that nearly one in eight Americans live in California? Nearly everyone who owns a home in California can sell it and buy far more in most other states. Cashing in on capital gains and buying something new is a very common way to upgrade your home. You know, playing the market? It’s a common capitalist concept.


What position was Harris appointed to besides the position she earned on merit at the beginning of her career? Again, the constitution describes how the VP is next in line, she already earned her spot.

Poling theoretical ideas is much different from polling reality. Check back on the polls in a week.

Do you understand what “elected” means? Probably not if you actually think Trump won 2020.

Here's a song real Americans actually understand and agree with to a great degree. If you don't get it, you are out of touch.

 

[Lazaran]

You are literally anti-American. You are saying you are sick of the elected American government while saying the left “hates America”.

You just earned clown status.




Alex Jones? Really?

• Overall, we rate Worldview Weekend Far-Right Biased and a tinfoil hat conspiracy and quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of right-wing propaganda and numerous false or unproven claims.

Overall, we rate The Duran (crosstalk) as a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.

• Overall, we rate the Family Research Council (FRC) Questionable based on the promotion of far-right conspiracy and propaganda, a lack of transparency with funding, poor sourcing, numerous failed fact checks, and 3rd party designation as a hate group.

More far right propaganda with questionable facts.




And you discredit peer reviewed science?


Holy fuck dude. You want google to link to garbage sources.

You will always be disappointed.

We don’t even have to discredit JaySecretions - that idiot is doing a fine job of it all on their own.

 

[AlexBailey]

We don’t even have to discredit JaySecretions - that idiot is doing a fine job of it all on their own.

He discredited himself in brilliant fashion.

He’s a right wing hack who distrusts the government of the United States so much that he even bashed the GOP Senate from during the Trump administration.

There is no truth he will accept unless it confirms his bias and he wants to demand that Google links to propaganda.

 

[JaySecrets]

Ya fuckin right I'm fuckin cursing your ass. I know the word of Christ and any follower of trump is a fuckin piece of shit heathen in mine and the Lord's eyes. Burn in hell for your treason against America and the teachings of Christ.

Again, not a Trump follower, and you haven't answered one actual challenge of this thread. You apparently can't or don't have the courage of your claims.

 

[Bn2f]

Again, not a Trump follower, and you haven't answered one actual challenge of this thread. You apparently can't or don't have the courage of your claims.

I.
Don’t.
Respect.
You.
Therefore your challenge means nothing to me. I’m here to call you a fraud. Others appear to agree.

 

[Bn2f]

It’s 2024. If ya votin for the convicted bastard now then you’re a follower.

 

[Bn2f]

Here's a song real Americans actually understand and agree with to a great degree. If you don't get it, you are out of touch.

Great. I ain’t even listening to this but your post is Coded racism too.
You’re a fuckin failure all around.

 

[JaySecrets]

You are literally anti-American. You are saying you are sick of the elected American government while saying the left “hates America”.

You just earned clown status.

When Socialists gain power by dishonesty and theft, yep, I 'm sick of that government. So is middle America. You know, those farmers and rednecks you write off as ignorant flyover country. But WE, not you, are the makeup of the bulk of this nation. We love her. We would die for her. We love the Constitution as it was written. We love and respect the Flag. We honor our police officers. We are the people of "Try That In a Small Town". And we consider government a necessary evil that needs to be seriously put into check and rolled back, not expanded. The founders believed the same thing. That you don't understand that shows how anti-America you really are.

Alex Jones? Really?

• Overall, we rate Worldview Weekend Far-Right Biased and a tinfoil hat conspiracy and quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of right-wing propaganda and numerous false or unproven claims.

Overall, we rate The Duran (crosstalk) as a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.

• Overall, we rate the Family Research Council (FRC) Questionable based on the promotion of far-right conspiracy and propaganda, a lack of transparency with funding, poor sourcing, numerous failed fact checks, and 3rd party designation as a hate group.

More far right propaganda with questionable facts.

And WHO is the "we" in "we rate". I'm guessing another liberal, borderline Socialist gatekeeper organization.

And you discredit peer reviewed science?


Holy fuck dude. You want google to link to garbage sources.

You will always be disappointed.

The role of Google, and other search engines, is not to filter out the sources based on what they view as true or false. That's using the engine to direct the user to your point of view. Their role is to get the user to what they are clearly looking for and leave the user alone. I'd have the same problem with them if they rigged it so if you searched Trump and you got a slew of Trump is the greatest president of all time sites. The point is that they filter out information at all. Information does not need gatekeepers. It's your side, not mine that is enemy of the free press. Our press has forfeited the any right to claim the word "free".

 

[Lazaran]

He discredited himself in brilliant fashion.

He’s a right wing hack who distrusts the government of the United States so much that he even bashed the GOP Senate from during the Trump administration.

There is no truth he will accept unless it confirms his bias and he wants to demand that Google links to propaganda.

JaySecretion apparently "thinks" sane, decent, intelligent individuals want to be, need to be, and should be, exposed to garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation, sites, and that garbage propaganda sites and misinformation/ disinformation sites should receive the same priority in the search queue as high quality sites.



I’m all good with the way things currently are. I have no problem finding balanced reporting and competing viewpoints from credible and accredited sites when researching a political topic.

Full stop.