Why?

[Senna Jawa]

There are millions of people (okay 100) who want to read poetry. So to have them published elsewhere is just to present them to a different group of people.

I remove my poems from lit when requested to do so out of respect for the group of people who are kind enough to publish them elsewhere. I feel like lit is not an end to poetry, not a graveyard, it is more of a breeding ground, where I get good feedback. I do not know if this makes me a hypocrite.

Yes, it makes you a hypocrite. And you don't remove poems from Lit out of respect for publishers but out of lack of respect for yourself.

 

[WickedEve]

I feel like lit is not an end to poetry, not a graveyard, it is more of a breeding ground

Lit's a breeding ground? It appears to be on occasion.

 

[TheRainMan]

Yes, it makes you a hypocrite. And you don't remove poems from Lit out of respect for publishers but out of lack of respect for yourself.

baloney.

Calli and Anna and everyone else are free to do whatever they wish with their words.

artistic efforts are owned by the person who creates them, legally and morally. they are copyrighted by law the second they hit the paper or screen, and are also copyrighted inside you.

they are yours.

and you are free to do what you wish with those copryrights, including grant others access to them for periods of your choosing, which may range from a blink to forever. you can stick them in a drawer for all time. you can staple them to telephone poles from coast to coast. you can burn them. no one here makes any agreement of any kind in regards to their writing.

Tess started this thread out of a concern for Calli's feelings and well-being. those concern me also . . . what anyone thinks about her choice to do what she wishes with her creations does not.

hope you're well, Calli.

 

[annaswirls]

Lit's a breeding ground? It appears to be on occasion.

more like an in-breeding ground you know, our gene pool here is kind of shallow, it is why all the fishes get so jumpy when new bait drops in


goodness, that sounds cynical, but I mean it in the most positive of ways

(I still think we are long lost cousins)

 

[annaswirls]

Yes, it makes you a hypocrite. And you don't remove poems from Lit out of respect for publishers but out of lack of respect for yourself.

hmm. Lack of respect for myself? Not quite sure what to make of that. How does that show lack of respect for myself? I am not embarassed to have work up at lit or I would not put work up at lit.

I leave the poems here if the editors do not mind that it can be found on the internet-- they are still on my new poems page. Or maybe that makes me a semi-hypocrite? OH well. C'est la vie.

 

[annaswirls]

And that's an ugly kind of prostitution (in a contrast to the physical, classical prostitution . Such lack of principles takes away something important from poetry.

Out of curiosity, when you post poems that were previously published elsewhere by other poets so that we can read them here... does that make you some kind of pimp?

It seems to follow the same logic. ?

I personally do not like when I see the same poem (or article) in several different poetry sites that are in the same circuit, or around the same time....but it is the poet's choice.

 

[annaswirls]

baloney.

Tess started this thread out of a concern for Calli's feelings and well-being. those concern me also . . . what anyone thinks about her choice to do what she wishes with her creations does not.

hope you're well, Calli.

I hope I was not disrespectful to Calli by my going down the tangents, I also hope you are well, but am not overly worried, as I know youhave pulled stuff before, and always come back with new gems for us to read! And just last night you were writing away, weren't you?

Hope you stick around

 

[annaswirls]

Exactly my take.

show me your boobs!


oop I am sorry I don't know where that came from....my mind is still on the nude beach

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I hope I was not disrespectful to Calli by my going down the tangents, I also hope you are well, but am not overly worried, as I know youhave pulled stuff before, and always come back with new gems for us to read! And just last night you were writing away, weren't you?

Hope you stick around

My intention never was to be disrespectful to Calli either, and TRM is correct in saying that she and all others are free - legally and morally - to do as they please with their words. I'd never interfere with those rights.

That doesn't mean I have to approve of it when it happens, though. I don't. I think Literotica and the readers here deserve more consideration. But that's only my opinion, of course.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

show me your boobs!

You first!

 

[annaswirls]

fair enough

(but I do intend to remove it as soon as I see yours )

oh wait it was too big (the photo not the boob)

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Damn, I was joking!

 

[annaswirls]

Damn, I was joking!

never kid a kidder my boob is having some uploading issues, so you have time to pull yours out...

 

[annaswirls]

:zipgone:

 

[WickedEve]

okay don't blink

Did that foliage give its consent?

 

[annaswirls]

Did that foliage give its consent?

no, I took it by force. but you know it really wanted it anyway

are you one of those vegatable rights people that is gonna give me trouble... I mean, I did not have sex with that plant, really.

 

[WickedEve]

no, I took it by force. but you know it really wanted it anyway

are you one of those vegatable rights people that is gonna give me trouble... I mean, I did not have sex with that plant, really.

Leafophilia is not illegal but posting a photo of someone, or some... thing, will not be tolerated. You need to photoshop a black bar, or something, over the leaf so it can't be identified.

 

[champagne1982]

I actually wrote a publisher for clarification over what constitutes published on the web. The reply stated that most publishers don't consider online discussion groups or forums (fora) as publishers. The same goes for workshopping etc. I think it's due to the transient nature of many of these vB servers, here today, gone tomorrow.

Your lit member page index is where your work is most accessible to the reading public, therefore, that definitely counts as published.

It's too much work to manually go back and find all of your posts. I'd imagine the best way to do so, is to ask the lit management team to go back and eradicate your presence off their server. I'm sure there must be an easy search option that laurel and manu can exercise to do so.

 

[annaswirls]

Leafophilia is not illegal but posting a photo of someone, or some... thing, will not be tolerated. You need to photoshop a black bar, or something, over the leaf so it can't be identified.

gosh I am so ashamed! I removed the post. I cannot believe Lauren wussed out like that.

does it matter that the leaf is dead? would that be like leafonecrophila? I mean, I love salad, but not in that way

 

[annaswirls]

I actually wrote a publisher for clarification over what constitutes published on the web. The reply stated that most publishers don't consider online discussion groups or forums (fora) as publishers. The same goes for workshopping etc. I think it's due to the transient nature of many of these vB servers, here today, gone tomorrow.

Your lit member page index is where your work is most accessible to the reading public, therefore, that definitely counts as published.

It's too much work to manually go back and find all of your posts. I'd imagine the best way to do so, is to ask the lit management team to go back and eradicate your presence off their server. I'm sure there must be an easy search option that laurel and manu can exercise to do so.

is it the transient nature or the spirit of the forum? It is like an internet version of sitting around a table with poems and working them out as a group. The only difference is that at the end of the night, the poet takes the copies with him or her, does not distribute the work. So to delete a poem after it has been workshopped or shared in a more social way, is like closing the door and saying goodnight, taking your stuff back home.

Did you say "exercise to do so?"

 

[annaswirls]

Your lit member page index is where your work is most accessible to the reading public, therefore, that definitely counts as published.

sigh, okay I will not submit any more poems here... just does not seem like being published as there is no selection process whatsoever...

 

[champagne1982]

is it the transient nature or the spirit of the forum? It is like an internet version of sitting around a table with poems and working them out as a group. The only difference is that at the end of the night, the poet takes the copies with him or her, does not distribute the work. So to delete a poem after it has been workshopped or shared in a more social way, is like closing the door and saying goodnight, taking your stuff back home.

Did you say "exercise to do so?"

I'm freakily archaic and formal in my verbal and written expression unless I purposely try to "go colloquial".

I mean that the electronic server space; rented, purchased or stolen; used by most vB forums, will, as a rule, be either dropped or lost, eventually. And I agree, you can take your poems home at the end of the night but the memory will still linger with the others sitting at the table with you.

 

[bogusbrig]

sigh, okay I will not submit any more poems here... just does not seem like being published as there is no selection process whatsoever...

Does anyone read poems on lit anymore? It appears that very few people really bother unfortunately.

 

[WickedEve]

sigh, okay I will not submit any more poems here... just does not seem like being published as there is no selection process whatsoever...

Okay, submitting a poem to lit is considered being published, but it doesn't feel that way. For me, it's like an extension of the forum, another step in getting more feedback. I usually rely on that feedback more than forum feedback. Like you said, there's no selection process. It's as easy as posting your poem on the forum. You submit. It's accepted. You get feedback... With other sites, you submit, then wait for an email that could easily be a rejection, which keeps you on pins and dildos. No pins with lit.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I don't think a poem submitted to Lit can be considered published. Lit is an archive, a repository without editorial control for poetry. It's an online shoebox where we keep all the poems together.