Winter Holiday 2024 Contest Support and Seasonal Story Discussion Thread

Ah, an opportunity to show how old I am, and that my memory only hangs on to things that are useless. "Nevermind" was the tagline of a different Gilda Radner character on SNL's Weekend Update, Emily Litella.
Yup! I just googled it. I used to watch all the old SNL skits on YouTube (now, showing how young I am, I guess!). Either way, I would always watch them and really only see Gilda. The character names were pretty much irrelevant to me. It was always Gilda!
 
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That is true, although the leading stories sometimes attract a flurry of late one bombs and do get significant boosts when those are swept out.

But, yes, lower scoring stories can not be counted out until the final results come in. I once had a story bounce fro around 4.55 to

Yep. I had one that went from 4.36 to win. THAT surprised me.
 
My pennies worth on the votes to views ratio. In a spell of madness I plonked three stories into the Christmas bowl of punch we've all made called Winter Stories. These run at 26 per vote down to 16 and an odd bit per vote running bottom to top. Looking at my other works, a time goes by the view/vote ratio starts to creep steadily upwards over time. I have published in a couple categories outside of LW and as shown below, the number of times a story has been opened in a category like Romance is dwarfed by LW. invisibles has been about the longest here , but even looking at my last Romance entry, from early August ,that topped out at just over 10k views so I'll be surprised if Killer Chris below hits more than 6k before the new year.

What i would say, if you have lurked around in this thread and are thinking of publishing in any up and coming compo or challenge - do it! You'll pick up followers quicker than plugging away way normally. Think of them as a periodical advertising display for your work!
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If my math is correct, my Holiday Contest Entry is working at a 0.0034% vote rate (81 votes 23.7K views).
My comment ratio is 0.0005%.

23.7k / 81 views is about 1 vote / 300 views - I have a few around there - and at least one of them won a competition, so you're in the bell curve norm, just a little towards the low end, but if the score is good, no worries.
 
Within minutes of the Halloween contest being announced all of my stories took a hit with 1s straight down the list. If you don't see the results as they are announced, you might not see the final scores as they were tallied.

Ohhhhh yeah. I won the April Fools comp last year with "American Dream" - 4.9x after the sweeps and aiyaaah, did that get whacked like a mole in the middle of a croquet lawn after the comp - it's sitting at 4.52 now. LOL
 
Ohhhhh yeah. I won the April Fools comp last year with "American Dream" - 4.9x after the sweeps and aiyaaah, did that get whacked like a mole in the middle of a croquet lawn after the comp - it's sitting at 4.52 now. LOL
What!?!? In the contest, you won with 4.9x and now, eight months later, it's at 4.52? You must have a ton of die-hard fans that just pummeled your entry with 5s!!! My contest entries are always right around my usual scores (or a little lower) and then VERY slowly creep up from there over the course of months.
 
I’ve lost 10 votes but mine is still 4.49. “Snowed Incest” has more votes and views than all of my other stories combined. While I did get my hopes up of making the top 3, I’d be happy with simply getting that red H back at this point.

At the end of the day though, I gained a bunch of followers and a lot of positive private feedback, which is the true purpose of these contests. Many of those who sent the feedback also enjoy my Tiafell series, which is my passion project. I do enjoy writing contest entries too, I have three in the works for the Valetine’s Day contest.
 
Ohhhhh yeah. I won the April Fools comp last year with "American Dream" - 4.9x after the sweeps and aiyaaah, did that get whacked like a mole in the middle of a croquet lawn after the comp - it's sitting at 4.52 now. LOL
Mine is still managing a 4.81. Every time it creeps back up to 4.82 it gets another vote or so within a short period of time that drops it back to 4.81. But it's also got 609 votes, so it's getting harder to raise and lower the score by much.

The rest of my stuff has between 10 and 35 votes, much easier to tank those scores at this point than the contest win.

I find the whole thing amusing because the only stories I have on here now are ones I was just fucking around with and never expected to go over a 4.5 to begin with.

Hell, even after the sweeps, I looked at my score and thought, "Ooh 4.9, probably in the top 5 again, but not high enough to win, that's awesome!"

I was wrong and still don't quite understand how that happened. But it has solidified my idea that scores don't always equal writing quality. 'Cause my writing quality is iffy at best and nothing I've written should fall above a 4.5 yet it regularly does. Voters have been very generous to me and I'm not quite certain why.
 
I was wrong and still don't quite understand how that happened. But it has solidified my idea that scores don't always equal writing quality. 'Cause my writing quality is iffy at best and nothing I've written should fall above a 4.5 yet it regularly does. Voters have been very generous to me and I'm not quite certain why.
To describe three metrics briefly:

views = traffic
score = popularity
favorites = nobody knows

None of the metrics are about writing quality.
 
To describe three metrics briefly:

views = traffic
score = popularity
favorites = nobody knows

None of the metrics are about writing quality.
Favorites seem to be split between actually really liking a story and saving it to read later.

And yeah, clearly none of the metrics are about writing quality, lol.
 
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At the end of the day though, I gained a bunch of followers and a lot of positive private feedback, which is the true purpose of these contests. Many of those who sent the feedback also enjoy my Tiafell series, which is my passion project. I do enjoy writing contest entries too, I have three in the works for the Valetine’s Day contest.
You've hit the nail firmly on the head! :nana:
 
I only lost 3 votes in the sweep.
It’s early in the process so don’t worry about it for now; the “sweeps” are appropriately named like sweeping with an old broom. You don’t pick up all the dust without going over an area a few times, so you’ve lost three now but that doesn’t mean more won’t be found in another pass later. Good luck!
 
Then you have comments = sing your praises or torch you!
To describe three metrics briefly:

views = traffic
score = popularity
favorites = nobody knows

None of the metrics are about writing quality.
Favourites are a classification of reading list so Screenshot 2024-12-12 134727.pngmeans that your story is on 31 reading lists of which (AFAICK) 14 are favourites - oh and there are 4 comments!
 
Favourites are a classification of reading list so View attachment 2444009means that your story is on 31 reading lists of which (AFAICK) 14 are favourites - oh and there are 4 comments!
The favorites list is often used by old-timers for a reading list. It's a carry over behavior from before reading lists were a separate thing here. So the 14 favorites could actually be any number of a mix of actual favorites and favorites lists being used as a placeholder reading list because they either don't know how to make a separate list, or can't be bothered to.

The statistics here aren't exactly a true measure of anything beyond "The majority of readers liked/loathed your story" why it falls on either side? What they like or hate about it? Who knows.

Comments can help a little, but they are so much scarcer than votes and tend to skew positive outside of loving wives.

The metrics used to rank stories here are probably no more accurate than a coin toss on quality, content, or hotness.

Basically: everything is made up and the points don't matter.
 
Someone upthread was curious about stories getting high scores, so I clicked through all of them just now. Of the 180, there are 12 at 4.8 or higher (I’m not going to list them to avoid the trolls). There’s a bunch more in the 4.75-4.79 range. I didn’t see any pushing 4.9, but that really is tough to do.

I have no idea how that compares with previous years.
Today’s update (I think the winners are announced tomorrow):

There are 11 stories at 4.8 or above.
There are another 18 at 4.75 or above.

It’s 6F (with an -11F windchill) where I live, so maybe I’ll use these stories to stay warm.
 
Don't number of followers matter? Whether or not someone rated, favorited, reading listed, commented, if they read your work and decided to follow you, that's the real number, I think.
They can, but then you have people who follow literally hundreds of authors. Those people are unlikely to actually see when the authors they follow put out new stuff as every update to a bio and new release will flood their feed and things get pushed off before they can even see it. A follower with under 100 other authors on the list is a better metric as they are being selective in who they follow, so they are more likely to see the updates of the authors they follow and care about those updates.
 
Comments can help a little, but they are so much scarcer than votes and tend to skew positive outside of loving wives.
I don't always know what to make of comments.

I have an older story in I/T that's doing well by rating, but if you read the comments it sounds like it might be worth a good 3. Despite the very mixed comments, that story generated about 1/3 of all my followers at the time. I think something about the story -- possibly the very odd, very emotional ending -- motivated people to comment. Most people don't have much to say, so what came out was pretty random.


Don't number of followers matter? Whether or not someone rated, favorited, reading listed, commented, if they read your work and decided to follow you, that's the real number, I think.
Unless they're following you to hate on all your stories. KeithD used to claim that happened, and it seems inevitable that someone would do it. Also, people can follow you instead of adding your story to a reading list and then un-follow you when they're done reading.

In an older user interface, you would get a heart when people followed you, and a broken heart when they unfollowed you. Now you have to keep track of the numbers to find out.

Otherwise, yeah. I keep track of followers. The results are sometimes head-scratching.
 
Well a nice little sweep just happened and I lost about 20% of my votes. Speaking of trolls lol 😆
 
I lost four votes. They appear to all be in the range of 3-5, and my score didn't change.

edit: Spoke to soon. Lost four more votes and the score went up by 0.01.
 
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The sweeps are like coming downstairs on Christmas morning to see what Santa left under the Christmas tree. The same anticipation, the same excitement, the same "what did you get?"
 
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