1-Bombing on Loving Wives

[SimonDoom]

90% of stories in that category is way more meaningful than an arbitary threshold. It's not an absolute measure of quality for the reasons already discussed, but it's something. Here's the table that I posted in that other thread:

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A 4.5 in LW is something like the 97% percentile, and in Romance it's less than 50th percentile. Or, down further into reality, my 3.92 rated story in LW is just less than 70th percentile (so I shouldn't feel too bad?) but my 4.28 in Romance for my St Valentine's entry is less than 30th percentile (I don't know why we single out LW to complain about bombers - they're just as bad in other categories.)

(for discussion on the Sci Fi scores and the effect of story series, please see the other thread)

How important is all this in the scheme of things? Not very, and particularly not outside Author's Hangout. Still, if Literotica started to award Editor's choice awards or Monthly prizes again, I'd hope that they look at something like a percentile measure as a way of shortlisting.

I agree with you. An across-the-board percentile would be equally unhelpful, because it would prejudice categories with lower scores. That's true of the system we have now.

Loving Wives is its own weird universe. It has voting patterns that no other category has.

 

[Lifestyle66]

When it comes to the LW 1-bombers, there is no "one size fits all" to describe the haters or the types of stories with monogamous wives they want.

One of my latest stories ("Fantasy Renewal") has a monogamous wife who merely delves into exhibitionism and light BDSM and bondage, discovering her new desire for her husband to spank her.

In my experience, people change over time, and some seek different stimulations. So, the story was to show how that might happen in a loving marriage and STILL remain monogamous. But "26thNC" is one of those dedicated haters who commented;

"Nasty, controlling bitch from hell."

So, I think some people receive their own pleasure out of just hating. They'll twist anything into a way they can hate it.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

But again, a common complaint here always defaults back to "But is it popular or actual quality" and that's where everything devolves. Lit is just not the kind of site to care about having that type of critique.

Changes to the scoring system would have nothing to do with quality vs popularity. The current scoring system does nothing to distinguish that and the proposed percentile system treats that exactly the same. There is nothnig that anyone can do to to equate a score to a level of quality. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for a better system to improve it in other ways.

 

[lovecraft68]

When it comes to the LW 1-bombers, there is no "one size fits all" to describe the haters or the types of stories with monogamous wives they want.

One of my latest stories ("Fantasy Renewal") has a monogamous wife who merely delves into exhibitionism and light BDSM and bondage, discovering her new desire for her husband to spank her.

In my experience, people change over time, and some seek different stimulations. So, the story was to show how that might happen in a loving marriage and STILL remain monogamous. But "26thNC" is one of those dedicated haters who commented;

"Nasty, controlling bitch from hell."

So, I think some people receive their own pleasure out of just hating. They'll twist anything into a way they can hate it.

26thNC is in a world of their own when it comes to hating.

Have to be good at something I suppose.

 

[SimonDoom]

On your last part, I think you summed it up well, 'unhealthy' fixation with certain things that have nothing to do with becoming a better writer and can be off putting to someone who is newish.

I've said before that I posted my first story here in May 2010 but did not come here until the end of 2011 when I already had 40+ stories and kind of found my own way to an extent I didn't feel I had to listen to the "Oh, no, you have to do this" crowd. On a whole, I think the forum isn't a good thing for people with no established footing here. Too much noise is how I'd word the point you made.

Totally agree.

My experience was a bit different from yours, since I joined this forum right after I began publishing, but I'd been an avid Lit reader for about 12 years before that, so I've always looked at things from the standpoint of the reader. Also, because of my nature and professional background, when I became a member of the site and began publishing I researched everything obsessively: all the guidelines, all the site rules, essays authors had written about stories and categories, you name it. So, I've never experienced the sense of "bafflement" that so many new authors seem to feel about how things work here.

Your point about the new folks is why I continue to get on my tiresome soapbox about not caring too much about scores and the system here, because I think the discussion in this forum sometimes trends toward a culture of neurosis and over-fretting, and I don't want the new folks to feel like they have to buy into that. They don't. There are many paths to "success" here at Literotica, and you have to find your own and not worry about others'.

This is all fun and free, after all. If you're all bolloxed up about the way the site is doing things, you should consider adjusting your perspective. Or find another site. The fretting and kvetching won't achieve anything. That's the one thing we know for certain.

 

[lovecraft68]

Totally agree.

My experience was a bit different from yours, since I joined this forum right after I began publishing, but I'd been an avid Lit reader for about 12 years before that, so I've always looked at things from the standpoint of the reader. Also, because of my nature and professional background, when I became a member of the site and began publishing I researched everything obsessively: all the guidelines, all the site rules, essays authors had written about stories and categories, you name it. So, I've never experienced the sense of "bafflement" that so many new authors seem to feel about how things work here.

Your point about the new folks is why I continue to get on my tiresome soapbox about not caring too much about scores and the system here, because I think the discussion in this forum sometimes trends toward a culture of neurosis and over-fretting, and I don't want the new folks to feel like they have to buy into that. They don't. There are many paths to "success" here at Literotica, and you have to find your own and not worry about others'.

This is all fun and free, after all. If you're all bolloxed up about the way the site is doing things, you should consider adjusting your perspective. Or find another site. The fretting and kvetching won't achieve anything. That's the one thing we know for certain.

Agreed.

I know it comes across as over simplifying things and easier said than done but I have tried to model anything I do after what I feel are the three most powerful words in advertising.

Just do it.

Keep writing, don't fret the score, don't worry about too long or too short, don't get dragged down by the minority of negative comments, don't pay attention to what does/does not work for others. Just keep doing what you're doing, that's what matters most.

I've done well here-in regard to what passes for success here-and I think part of it is that sure, I'll get caught up in some of these conversations, but in the end? I have never once lost sight of why I came here, to write stories and see what readers-not a small group of authors-think. Lot less complicated that way.

I don't get as crazy about things in the market where money is involved as people do here on a free site over voting and some other issues.

 

[Actingup]

26thNC is in a world of their own when it comes to hating.

Have to be good at something I suppose.

26th can at least be tamed with a BTB (it's okay - nobody died - it was quite a soft burn). The story scored 4.47, and a 1 ('horrendous') from St*cnash, which must mean I did something right.

 

[lovecraft68]

26th can at least be tamed with a BTB (it's okay - nobody died - it was quite a soft burn). The story scored 4.47, and a 1 ('horrendous') from St*cnash, which must mean I did something right.

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"I seldom praise his stories" at least he's honest.

I'd give him more credence then Stacnash at least he doesn't lie about authors and create stasi lists, he just bashes things.

I wrote a burn the bastard here in 2012, I think it was about a 4.18 or so in its 'prime' but over the years got up to an H. I think it would be eviscerated now.

But this made me look back and here he is: helping me out by telling everyone what would happen later

I want everyone here defending LW trolls to note, he is writing about killing both of the characters.

A true bad ass of a keyboard warrior

Three month later

by 26thNC on 10/04/2019
Three months after putting Greg in his place, a tired and sweaty Brenda and Chad rested after yet another marathon sex session. Brenda had not been able to get enough of Chad since using him for her revenge on Greg. They both laughed every time they thought of Greg's defeated look as he as he sat restrained, watching them have sex. Suddenly, all the lights in the room went dark. Two dark figures fell on Greg and a quick blow to the head rendered him unconscious. Brenda tried to scream, but a gloved hand covered her mouth as pressure on her carotids put her quickly out.
Brenda awakened slowly, trying to raise her arms, but found that she as bound tightly to a chair. Next to her slumped her Chad with a look of pain and horror in his wife open blue eyes. She looked for signs of life , but there were none. Standing over her, no longer with a defeated look in his eyes. Instead he glared at her with insane anger.
"You Loving Wives just have to take the revenge too far, don't you bitch?" snarled Greg. " Look at your boy toy there, he's not feeling too smug now. "
"Greg!" " What are you doing? What's wrong with Chad? What have you done, " she whimpered.
"Just restoring order to the universe dear," he whispered. " Try not to get too choked up over Chad now, " he said as he pinched her nose closed with swimmers clips.
She tried to scream as she saw the obscene object he was trying to force into her mouth. As she choked on Chad's bloody cock, Greg smiled and held up their wedding picture. "How did we look, baby?"

 

[lc69hunter]

Having been on the wrong end of those stars myself I have a theory that there is a strong, vocal cohort who want LW to remain faithful. (And I think there is some merit in that.)

I don’t read enough stories to be statistically accurate but I suspect this place has an excess of cheats and misbehaving and insufficient genuine married loving.

(I am as much the problem as anybody else.)

Thick skin definitely a solution. General acceptance of the interweb nastiness.

It is life, not just porn, as I have been in and out of the lifestyle since I was in my early 20's. As for the LW category, it is even labeled as extra-marital fun. I have been around here since 2008, and it mostly the late comers who are trying to drive the category into punishment of any who stray into any form of non-monogamy.

As for the anonymous trolls, my thought is that Laurel tolerates them, because it means clicks to the website

 

[lovecraft68]

It is life, not just porn, as I have been in and out of the lifestyle since I was in my early 20's. As for the LW category, it is even labeled as extra-marital fun. I have been around here since 2008, and it mostly the late comers who are trying to drive the category into punishment of any who stray into any form of non-monogamy.

As for the anonymous trolls, my thought is that Laurel tolerates them, because it means clicks to the website

Yup, whether its fingers of hooves clicking, they're still clicks.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Yup, whether its fingers of hooves clicking, they're still clicks.

Somebody needs to pay for the free site which hosts our shitty stories. They may as well make use of the trolls and give them a purpose in life.

 

[Statius]

Over all I think the current system works in the sites favor. Changing it would definitely discourage new, and often timid, writers from trying a second or third time. New writers are the life blood of Lit. To discourage new writers with the inevitable low scores (lack of red H) would prevent new ideas, new stories, and experimentation. You would end up with very few writers, although good, and therefore a limited audience. Same goes for making voters have an account. Most readers and probably voters don't have accounts l, the site knows this. Is the red H overly prevalent? Maybe, but it encourages new AMATEUR writers to keep writing and to keep posting, overall I think it's a positive and that's probably how the admin of Lit sees it as well. Not every reader is a StacNash, and most certainly some writers here are StacNash. They, both readers and writers, have a place here, but so do the writers you- and by 'you' I speak in general terms as I'm not calling anyone out for anything- think are poor at what they do. Some writers have great characters but poor plot; some just don't have the vocabulary to express in definitive terms what they want to say but the idea is there; others may have weak characters, weak story but the sex is hot! Why discourage them with bad ratings? Let them keep writing, we have no idea why some stories get high/low scores. All the above are reasons why readers score a story, no one can or should, control that.

The scoring allows a new unskilled writer to have confidence and encouragement to keep writing, and again I think that is why the admin will not tweak or change the rating/ voting system and I think overall it's fair and it works for what they (admin) wants for the site.

Post note: I will not participate in an argument if you choose to nit-pick. This is my opinion and my opinion only, I feel no need or desire to defend or explain it.

 

[Lifestyle66]

My latest story is written for the Pink Orchid challenge and posted to Loving Wives just last night. So, it's only been online for about 12 hours.

It's current rating is 2.59 with 101 votes.

But it has over 11K views (clicks)!

And that's what the site Admins are looking for to pay the bills! That 2.59 is not a deterrent in the LW category. It's like a magnet for the haters to add their own 1s!

 

[SmilingLez]

Over all I think the current system works in the sites favor. Changing it would definitely discourage new, and often timid, writers from trying a second or third time. New writers are the life blood of Lit. To discourage new writers with the inevitable low scores (lack of red H) would prevent new ideas, new stories, and experimentation. You would end up with very few writers, although good, and therefore a limited audience. Same goes for making voters have an account. Most readers and probably voters don't have accounts l, the site knows this. Is the red H overly prevalent? Maybe, but it encourages new AMATEUR writers to keep writing and to keep posting, overall I think it's a positive and that's probably how the admin of Lit sees it as well. Not every reader is a StacNash, and most certainly some writers here are StacNash. They, both readers and writers, have a place here, but so do the writers you- and by 'you' I speak in general terms as I'm not calling anyone out for anything- think are poor at what they do. Some writers have great characters but poor plot; some just don't have the vocabulary to express in definitive terms what they want to say but the idea is there; others may have weak characters, weak story but the sex is hot! Why discourage them with bad ratings? Let them keep writing, we have no idea why some stories get high/low scores. All the above are reasons why readers score a story, no one can or should, control that.

The scoring allows a new unskilled writer to have confidence and encouragement to keep writing, and again I think that is why the admin will not tweak or change the rating/ voting system and I think overall it's fair and it works for what they (admin) wants for the site.

Post note: I will not participate in an argument if you choose to nit-pick. This is my opinion and my opinion only, I feel no need or desire to defend or explain it.

Months ago I saw a bunch of stories with an Editor's choice tag attached. Perhaps that might be a solution for first-timers. This only works if actual human eyes read every story submitted..

 

[PapaRomantic]

26thNC is a piece of work. He hates my lowest-rated story in LW (the bitch got away with cheating) so much that he's commented four times on it! The last three have basically been different ways of saying, "I still hate the bitch." But he's also liked some of my other stories in there, so I appreciate that it's not about me, it just shows the type of story he likes.

I spent time in the LW category, and frankly, I got to the point where I didn't like the abuse I was getting from the commenters. My latest story that just published at midnight my time on Saturday morning is about two people in a sexless marriage who are placed randomly with each other at a crowded restaurant dinner table, and their interaction with each other for the rest of the conference they are attending leads them to enjoy sex with each other, the first time either of them had cheated on a spouse

I placed it in the "First Time" category because I think it fits there well. It certainly could have gone into LW because it's about cheaters. But I've read the comment "cuck fag shit" enough to know that I don't want to read it again. So if there's any other place where I could post a story that might otherwise go into LW, I'm choosing the other place.

 

[Britva415]

When I choose which category to publish my stories in, I'm not making that decision based on what will get me the most views or the highest ratings or the most comments.

Let me ask you a genuine question. Not some "Here's what I say you think in the form of a hypothetical question."

Do you think I think what you think I think because you think I'm lying when I say I don't think *what you're saying I think? Or do you think I think what you think I think because you think you understand me on a deeper level than I understand myself?

"What's the big thinkin' deal, bitch? It doesn't hurt anyone! Think thinkety thinkthinkthink!!"

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

But it has over 11K views (clicks)!

Got another click, but when I saw 14,000 words, I didn't go further.

This is why I wish word count was displayed along with the title and subtitle.

 

[bmeyem8]

I've had my share of less than stellar comments from 26thNC and commentors of his faction
and I actually got a good comnent
From him about a story that ended in a "moving on", not a BTB:

by 26thNC  on 12/07/2025

That, in the end, turned out to be a really good story.

https://www.literotica.com/s/03-a-btb-the-best-btb

I want to add that when the BTB/haters 1 bomb a story I take it that they were against the content, not the writing ability of the author. It's like publishing a pro-choice story on an anti'abortion site: they are gonna hate it and hate whoever submitted it.

 

[SmilingLez]

I want to add that when the BTB/haters 1 bomb a story I take it that they were against the content, not the writing ability of the author. It's like publishing a pro-choice story on an anti'abortion site: they are gonna hate it and hate whoever submitted it.

You are making the assumption that the person who rated one star and/or a negative review actually read your entire story

 

[lovecraft68]

I want to add that when the BTB/haters 1 bomb a story I take it that they were against the content, not the writing ability of the author. It's like publishing a pro-choice story on an anti'abortion site: they are gonna hate it and hate whoever submitted it.

I think a lot of one bombers don't read the story more than enough to see what its about.

 

[dct10538]

You are making the assumption that the person who rated one star and/or a negative review actually read your entire story

Which is a bad assumption to make when the one-star review comes in two minutes after the story drops.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Got another click, but when I saw 14,000 words, I didn't go further.

This is why I wish word count was displayed along with the title and subtitle.

In my signature, I place a link to my last three stories, along with the word count.

I would also like to know the word count ahead of time, so I wouldn't waste time on opening stories which are far longer than I feel like at the moment, or too short to bother with.

 

[IWroteThis]

You are making the assumption that the person who rated one star and/or a negative review actually read your entire story

Why would anybody read the entire story if they hate it? I really don't understand that kind of "thinking."

Logically speaking, a 1* rating after reading the entire story and a 5* rating without reading the entire story indicate the same kind of nefarious voting.

I'd agree that a 4* rating is suspicious if they didn't finish reading the story, but bailing early with a 2* or 3* rating makes perfect sense. After all, there are other stories on the site they might like better.

 

[SmilingLez]

Why would anybody read the entire story if they hate it? I really don't understand that kind of "thinking."

I was referring to troll bombers - they give a one-star rating without even reading the story. There's no way to distinguish who gave a honest rating and who did not. That is the problem with the rating system. If I can't give a five-star rating to a story/poem/audio, I do not rate it. Same with comments and I've never left an anonymous comment. That is so fucking cowardly. YMMV

 

[designatedvictim]

If I can't give a five-star rating to a story/poem/audio, I do not rate it.

Normally, I'd agree with you.

I rarely vote and even more rarely comment.

Many times I'll read a story and while I know it fills someone else's sails, it does nothing for me.

To those, I'd say 'Meh, move on' and ignore it.

One of the few times I ever rated/commented a story was one that, for some stupid reason, I couldn't let it go.

I read it, said 'Nah...' and moved on.

I somehow ran across it in the lists a couple of days later and thought, 'That's the story I hated. I'm gonna vote and comment on it.'

So I did.

In the days after reading it, I came to loathe everything about the story and its - to me - totally unlikeable characters.

If it hadn't seen it again, I would never have said anything else about it.

I left a low vote and a comment. Not a short 'These people all suck!' but a 300+ word semi-rant on what I hated and why I low-voted it.

I, of course, was the outlier. Everyone else who commented on it loved it.