2008 News & Views: Discussion and Announcements for the Survivorphile

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

20,000 words

Actually, Boxlicker, the story is over 20,000 words but I broke it into 8 chapters. Each chapter is a stand alone chapter so that if someone has no interest in the non-erotic category, they could skip chapter 1 and read the incest that appears in chapter 6.

 

[KarennaC]

Erin, work's going all right. I missed three days this past week, though; two of them, my daughter was ill, and the third was a snow day. I'm lucky; I'm a teacher's aide, so don't have to deal with the lesson plans and paperwork.

Did another sweep go through last night? I got up this morning to discover I've lost three H's, and one of the stories that clung to an H lost .17 on its score.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[PrincessErin]

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[KarennaC]

There's definitely something weird going on, because when I checked my scores again a few minutes ago, all of them were back up to, or higher than, they had been, and the H's were back.

Maybe Literotica is haunted... LOL.

 

[Darkniciad]

There's definitely something weird going on, because when I checked my scores again a few minutes ago, all of them were back up to, or higher than, they had been, and the H's were back.

Maybe Literotica is haunted... LOL.

It's a result of the Earth Day Contest sweeps. Those vote sweeps target suspect votes on everything, not just the stories in the contest.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There's definitely something weird going on, because when I checked my scores again a few minutes ago, all of them were back up to, or higher than, they had been, and the H's were back.

Maybe Literotica is haunted... LOL.

It is haunted. By trolls.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Well, this certainly isn't fair.

I've never complained about anyone's story, but after reading sr71plt's report on PrincessErin's story, it should be moved from Exhibitionist/Voyeur to the Non-erotic category. I just don't see anything exhibitionistic or voyeuristic about this story but for one brief line where he looks down her blouse and can see her bra.

Now, I had a story where the girl completely undressed in front of a guy who tricked her into undressing. Accurately, I posted the story beneath exhibitionist and voyeur and it was moved to non-erotic. Unbelievable. Whatever.

There will be those who will write that I have sour grapes. Whatever. I setup a bashing thread and you can bash me there, bostonfictionwriter bashing thread in the author's hangout.

Nonetheless, after seeing so many of my stories juggled from one category to another category because some 'anonymous' posted accused me of cheating, I believe that this story should be moved based on that logic.

What's fair is fair, after all. I wasn't allowed to use my stories, stories that were posted on Literotica but were totally rewritten and never entered in the Survivor or any other contest. I feel that I'm being unjustly handicapped, so what applies to me should apply to all.

Thank you and have a nice day.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Just to clarify

Just to clarify my position. Normally, I really wouldn't give a shit if someone posted a story in the wrong category, but the last time I inadvertently posted something in the wrong category, I had certain people writing mean and nasty things about me on the Author Hangout thread accusing me of cheating and trying to pad my scorecard. Really, what nonsense.

Then, when I tried to repost my stories that I totally rewrote, I had two certain individuals that I won't mention their names who wanted to ban me from the site for cheating. What cheating? Because I rewrote my stories, stories that I had withdrawn the previous year, stories that were never entered in any contest, and that I wanted to enter in this year's contest. Well, you can imagine my indignation.

So...I only think it fair that this story be moved to where it more appropriately belongs, as all my stories last year were moved to non-erotic and reviews and essays.

Now, I freely admit that I am the bigger person by not calling anyone or accusing anyone of cheating, as they called me a cheater and accused me of cheating. I just think what's fair for one should be the rule for all.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

I've never complained about anyone's story, but after reading sr71plt's report on PrincessErin's story, it should be moved from Exhibitionist/Voyeur to the Non-erotic category. I just don't see anything exhibitionistic or voyeuristic about this story but for one brief line where he looks down her blouse and can see her bra.

It doesn't belong in Non-Erotic. There's sex in it. I do have to agree however, that it doesn't really belong in Exhibitionist/Voyuer category. Just because it's outside sex doesn't make it exhibitionist. The couple was not performing for anyone, nor was anyone watching.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Just to clarify my position. Normally, I really wouldn't give a shit if someone posted a story in the wrong category, but the last time I inadvertently posted something in the wrong category, I had certain people writing mean and nasty things about me on the Author Hangout thread accusing me of cheating and trying to pad my scorecard. Really, what nonsense.

Then, when I tried to repost my stories that I totally rewrote, I had two certain individuals that I won't mention their names who wanted to ban me from the site for cheating. What cheating? Because I rewrote my stories, stories that I had withdrawn the previous year, stories that were never entered in any contest, and that I wanted to enter in this year's contest. Well, you can imagine my indignation.

So...I only think it fair that this story be moved to where it more appropriately belongs, as all my stories last year were moved to non-erotic and reviews and essays.

Now, I freely admit that I am the bigger person by not calling anyone or accusing anyone of cheating, as they called me a cheater and accused me of cheating. I just think what's fair for one should be the rule for all.

Authors, including you and includng me and including Erin, DO NOT choose the category in which a story will be placed. We make suggestions and they are usually accepted, but they are just suggestions. One of mine, for instance, involves a TS as the central character, but it is in the Fetish category, instead of TS & CD. ("I Call on Jill & Mary" is the name of it.") I have others that I thought were incorrectly placed, and sometimes I have complained, but usually I just accept it.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Thank you, Boxlicker

Thank you, Boxlicker, for explaining this. I'm so glad you pointed this out for everyone to read. Of course, you and I know this. However, when I submitted my stories and they found their way to other categories of not my choosing, I was deemed a cheater and lambasted all over the Author Hangout pages by a certain someone who you'd think would know better as she is a moderator here.

PrincessErin and KarennaC took it so far as to write that I should be banned not only from the contest but from the site.

Now...where is my sense of fair play when someone else, sr71plt writes in his story that PrincessErin's story is in the wrong category.

Have I called her a cheater? No. Have I demanded that she be banned from the contest and banished from the site? No. I just want her story moved to a more appropriate category as so many of my stories have been moved.

Then, whenever I complain, I'm called a whinner or that I have sour grapes. What's fair for one is fair for all.

I removed all my stories from the Survivor thread when I was accused of cheating by reposting stories that were rewritten. You, at the time, had a story that you rewrote and was told by Crimsonmaiden that it was okay to repost your story. How is that fair.

In fairness, she contacted me later and suggested that I have Lauren make the judgement. I just pulled the stories rather than have anyone suggest that I cheated to win a contest.

Thank you for responding to my post.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Ah, CrimsonMaiden, the key word is that the story must have sex in it not to be considered Non-Erotic. I see. Well, then, that's certainly is good to know, since this is an erotic story site. Now, that would explain it, one would think. Only...

Okay, then, perhaps you can humor me and explain to me why my stories New Year's Eve Resolution #2, Transsexual Sex With Vinnie & James, Panty Man, Ch. 01, and Duct Tape Avenger, Ch. 03, which all have sex in the story were all relegated to the Non-Erotic Category.

Surely, by the titles of the story alone, one would think that not any of those stories are Non-Erotic. Now, I didn't write any of these stories as Non-Erotic.

New Year's Eve #2 was about a man who talked a woman into changing her clothes in front of him. That doesn't appear to be non-erotic. I thought it was Exhibitionism/Voyeurism when I submitted it in that category, but someone changed it. He ogled her in her underwear and naked. Then, she ogled him.

Surely, I thought that Transsexual Sex With Vinnie and James was, well, Transsexual Sex. You could have fooled me when that story found it's way to, guess where, yep, you guess it, Non-Erotic. Hey, at least put it in gay sex. But non-erotic? C'mon.

Do you see a pattern here? I do.

Panty Man, Ch. 01 was written as a fetish story. Hell, it not only has a guy who has a panty fetish, it has a woman who shares his fetish for panties. Gees, I thought surely, that story is a fetish story. Nope, Non-Erotic. I'm really confused now, especially with your latest explanation of categories.

Finally, Duct Tape Avenger, ch. 03 about two men who drugged a couple that were having extra-marital relations. They tied them to the bed, stripped them naked, and pushed their bed out to a public place. Now, where would you post this story? Bondagage? How about Nonconsensual/relucatance where I submitted it as. Nope. Non-Erotic. Does this story sound like a Non-Erotic story to you?

Now, perhaps, you can understand my consternation about where to place which story where and why some stories for some writers are deemed sexual in content and many of my stories are deemed Non-Erotic and/or Reviews and Essays.

It's very confusing.

I don't know, maybe it depends on who writes the stories. I'd really hate to think that. Now, that would explain it, though. I see said the blind man to the deaf mute. The light dawns. When I write something erotic it is really non-erotic.

If it's fair to have many of my erotic stories shoved in Non-Erotic and Reviews and Essays as many of them were last year, as well, then it is fair to do that with everyone and not just me.

Thank you for your help.

By the way, I'm not angry, I'm just frustrated (but not sexually). Maybe, I should add (lol's) all over the place so people will understand that I'm not standing up red faced while typing (lol).

 

[starrkers]

I've read a couple of those. I remember Panty Man Ch 1 has no sex. It's a lead up chapter to what comes (pun intended) later. I guess that's why it got moved.

Before you go off at me for reading it, I was looking through Fetish trying to get a feel for what those readers look for and read your story because I know your stuff is written in English, with real grammar and punctuation and all that good stuff. Sadly at the time, it had no comments, so I couldn't judge if it was liked or not. I guess if it got shunted to non-erotic, they didn't like it.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Well, let's see. I just read New Year's Resolution #2. There's sex in that story? I surely didn't see any. All I saw was a two way conversation that lasted the entire story.

Okay, off to check Transsexual Sex With... I see no actual description of sex. Just because you have one line saying the character hears sounds of sex does not make it belong in an erotic category.

Now on to Panty Man Ch. 01... I'm guessing it's in Non-Erotic and not in Fetish because there's no erotic content whatsoever. Just because it states the guy has a panty fetish does not mean it fits into the erotic Fetish category.

Okay, what's left? Oh yes, Duct Tape Avenger Ch. 03. Nope, sorry, but I didn't see any sex in that chapter either.

I'm beginning to wonder what you consider to be "sex" since you state all of the previous stories have sex in them and I see none.

Just because other chapters in a series have an erotic sexual act in them, that does not mean that the chapters without an erotic sexual act still belong in that category. They don't, and we've stated this three or four times this year already. Each separate chapter must have an erotic sexual act in it in order for it to be placed in an erotic category. Any story/chapter that is found in an erotic category that does not have an erotic sexual act in it will be reported.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I'm just trying to understand the rules

Now, Starkers, why would I go off on you? I love people from Down Under, especially women who have big tits and who are not afraid to show them.

I'm just trying to understand the rules here. I feel whenever I submit a story, I'm walking on egg shells. Besides that was really no need for people to accuse me of cheating and to write on the forum pages that I should be kicked out of the Survivor Contest and banned from the site because my story, a story that I have no control where it gets posted, as stated by Boxlicker, get posted to a category that someone takes objection.

What's the weather like there? We're supposed to hit 60 on Tuesday. It may be safe to remove my snow tires (lol).

 

[starrkers]

It's still warm enough for my dog to be lying upside down in the driveway warming his undercarriage. But last night he was sharing my son's bed. Winter is coming.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

I don't mean to be brash, but isn't this Literotica? Now, if this was sexerotica or Litersexica, then I could see your point about my stories lacking deep penetrating sex with cum ozing from out of every orafice.

I couldn't help but notice that you kept saying the 'sex' word and not the 'erotic' word. I thought this as an erotic site, ergo erotic stories that are sexual in content but not sex stories that are only about sex, sex, and more sex.

Since there is no category for erotica, all erotic stories are relegated to the Non-Erotic category or to Reviews and Essays. I get it now.

I guess that's my problem. I write erotica. I hint at sex. I dance around it to heighten the flame, whereas you just want sex stories. Fuck the background and character development, just pull out your prick and fuck me.

Now, maybe to you my stories do not have enough sex to fit in a certain category but surely they are not Non-Erotic. It just doesn't make sense.

Maybe, we should have a category called Erotic or Erotica or Literotica. What do you think? I may be onto something here. To call my stories Non-Erotic is an insult. On the other hand, even though they may not contain enough sex to satisfy the perverts who obviously drive this site to a frenzy, they definitely are erotic.

I think that's it. We should have an Erotic Category for those writers like me who are not just about sex but who are about the story and the hint of sex. I dare say that both Madam Bovary and Lady Chatterly would have found their stories banished and hidden and confined in the Non-Erotic part of this site. Those erotic writers were just not sexual enough to pidgeon hole into any category.

So...what started all of this is, why do you define PrincessErin's story as not fitting into the Non-Erotic category. Where in that story was there any sex?

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Sorry, but I saw nothing erotic in any of those chapters either, so I can totally understand why they are in Non-erotic.

Yes, there was sex in Erin's story.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Thank you

Well, I think my definition of erotic is different than the definition of others.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. Your time is much appreciated.

 

[starrkers]

You are talking about her Earth Day story, aren't you?

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Of course, you could write a very cut & dried, tab A into slot B sex story that is totally not erotic and I'd bet it's not going to get put into the Non-erotic category because it includes a sexual act.


BFW, keep in mind, I'm not talking about those stories as a whole (including every chapter together). I'm only talking about those particular chapters that are in the Non-Erotic category. The story taken as a whole may very well be erotic (I wouldn't know. I haven't read any as a whole.), but since you have them submitted as separate chapters, then each separate chapter should have erotic content in order to be put into an erotic category.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

You are talking about her Earth Day story, aren't you?

That's the story I took him to mean since it is in the Exhibitionist category and a guy does look down a girl's bra. I do agree with him that it's in the wrong category, but it clearly doesn't belong in Non-Erotic either.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

BFW, keep in mind, I'm not talking about those stories as a whole (including every chapter together). I'm only talking about those particular chapters that are in the Non-Erotic category. The story taken as a whole may very well be erotic (I wouldn't know. I haven't read any as a whole.), but since you have them submitted as separate chapters, then each separate chapter should have erotic content in order to be put into an erotic category.

I disagree a bit. I have to admit, I cheated with my Montana Summer series, it started off in the Incest/Taboo category. The last 3 or 4 chapters had no incest, and the final chapter had no sex at all, and I still but it into the Incest/Taboo category. I like keeping things together, and not spread it all over the site in multiple categories.

 

[starrkers]

That may be OK in Lit generally, Drk, but for the Surivivor contest, all chapters must be in the correct category for that chaper, not the story as a whole.