2024 Democratic National Convention Thread
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So I was watching the main speeches (Doug, Michelle, and Barack) on PBS because I like their political team, and the PBS team was as moved by those speeches as everybody else. They actually lost their professional detachment - and I can’t blame them.
I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it in all my years watching politics.
Day One of the convention was amazing for longer stretches - and Joe’s and Hillary’s speeches were damn special (each in their own way) - but Day Two, with those three speeches back to back to back at the end of the night was equally amazing.
There is no need to recount the incredible individual moments of shade and light from each speech, because everyone watching knows. Right??? Right!!!
Doug, Michelle, Barack:
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!
I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it in all my years watching politics.
Day One of the convention was amazing for longer stretches - and Joe’s and Hillary’s speeches were damn special (each in their own way) - but Day Two, with those three speeches back to back to back at the end of the night was equally amazing.
There is no need to recount the incredible individual moments of shade and light from each speech, because everyone watching knows. Right??? Right!!!
Doug, Michelle, Barack:
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!
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Citation: Fact-Checking Incest Laws
"Fifteen of the 22 states with new or forthcoming limits on abortion after Roe do not permit exceptions for rape and incest. This suggests that anti-abortion advocates are no longer willing to go along with such exceptions despite their widespread adoption over decades. This position puts anti-abortion advocates and politicians on a collision course with public opinion, which strongly opposes forcing rape and incest survivors to carry pregnancies to term."
It was fixed under Roe v Wade for fifty years. The ruling of Roe v Wade was not incorrect; the reversal was.
Now, as you noted, we have to 'fix' it again via legislation. The 'bench' stooges swore, under oath, that they agreed that Roe v Wade was an established matter of record. They lied. They reversed the decision in support of Trump. Trump says he is responsible for that action.
The SC bench is no longer non-partisan. It has no guide rails to control it.
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Well, the referenced ex-first lady is a special case immigrant who was awarded citizenship. English is not her first language, so she is a bit uncomfortable speaking in public with that Russian background accent. When as a traditional role, she was placed in charge of decorating the White House Christmas Trees, she complained and called it 'fucking ridiculous' that she had to do it. So, things that require supporting the nation are a bit below her expectations.
Besides, if you found out your husband was out fucking a porn star while you were delivering his child and paid her to keep quiet about it... then got convicted as a felon over it... then it might not come as a surprise to anyone that she wouldn't speak up for him. If it were not for the pre-nuptial agreement, she would have skipped long ago.
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To sum this up in one word even that a slack-jawed mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging "perpetual victim" like Icanhelp1 can understand: ROVEMBER.
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The Obama speeches were exceptional. Beyond being effective—a lot of convention speeches are effective—they were at a level of analysis, and understanding, that you don’t generally see in convention speeches. Those two speeches are going to be taught in college classes some day. If it didn’t risk overshadowing Harris/Walz, I’d say the DNC should buy airtime and play them over and over again.
The rest of the convention has been fine, and fun, with strong speeches, but not truly memorable ones. For me, Biden’s speech wasn’t great. It’s not a speech that a man with dementia could give, so it served the purpose of showing everyone he would have done well in a second term, if only he could have won. But the recital of his accomplishments wasn’t right for the moment.
I may have heard 20 speeches better put together, and better delivered, than a single speech at the GOP convention. So far.
The rest of the convention has been fine, and fun, with strong speeches, but not truly memorable ones. For me, Biden’s speech wasn’t great. It’s not a speech that a man with dementia could give, so it served the purpose of showing everyone he would have done well in a second term, if only he could have won. But the recital of his accomplishments wasn’t right for the moment.
I may have heard 20 speeches better put together, and better delivered, than a single speech at the GOP convention. So far.
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Sec. 170A.002. PROHIBITED ABORTION; EXCEPTIONS. (a) A person may not knowingly perform, induce, or attempt an abortion.
(b) The prohibition under Subsection (a) does not apply if:
(1) the person performing, inducing, or attempting the abortion is a licensed physician;
(2) in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment, the pregnant female on whom the abortion is performed, induced, or attempted has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated by, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function unless the abortion is performed or induced; and
(3) the person performs, induces, or attempts the abortion in a manner that, in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment, provides the best opportunity for the unborn child to survive unless, in the reasonable medical judgment, that manner would create:
(A) a greater risk of the pregnant female's death; or
(B) a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant female.
I think a 12 year old child falls under one of these categories. “The court said the law’s exceptions, as written, are broad enough and that doctors would be misinterpreting the law if they declined to perform an abortion when the mother’s life is in danger.”
I do agree that Texas law is extreme and most Americans would disagree with Texas law, hell, if I disagree it must be extreme. It’s up to Texas legislators to make changes.
From 1810 to 2022 the Supreme Court has overturned precedent 235 times. Precedent ( stare decicis) is not an authority to maintain bad law. It is incumbent upon the courts to correct past bad decisions.
A few cases overturned;
1. Hammer v. Dagenhart (1918)
2. Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940)
3. Plessy v. Ferguson (1896)
4. Betts v. Brady (1942)
5. Bowers v. Hardwick (1986)
6. Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce (1990)
7. Baker v. Nelson (1972)
8. Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey (1992)
Then came Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization (2022), in which the justices ruled 6-3 to overturn both Roe and Casey in a decision that openly rejected the legal precedent set by the previous cases.
“Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey’s controlling opinion was based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe’s abuse of judicial authority,” wroteJustice Samuel Alito. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.”
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Cite your findings. I agree it is putting politicians on a collision course, Republican politicians better heed the growing acceptance to abortion or consider an early retirement. States can have abortions with limitations, not to, I believe, is political suicide. I’m trying to find what these states have for ballot issues. I’m against abortion for religious beliefs but don’t support a ban, period! But I also believe that every effort to assist a pregnant woman with all the necessary resources to come to full term and then set up for adoption should also be made available. There are many charities out there that will help.
The justices agreed that it was settled precedent, which it was. The ruling by the court stated that abortion decisions should be returned back to the states as it was before 1972. The court never decided that abortion was illegal or unconstitutional.
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Blame the Putin-supported fraudster for that, the Afghan Exit was pushed before President Biden was elected. All President Biden did was delay the withdrawal so that some sense of order could be included.
The British will tell you that going there in the first place made no sense, Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
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I’ve always agreed that we should have killed UBL and gotten the fuck out.
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Apparently, it doesn't apply at all. Your citation doesn't mention incestual rape. If there are no medical complications or risks to the child bearing the incestual embryo, then in Texas, the molested child would carry her baby to term.
Consider a recent patient under extreme life-threatening conditions in Texas. She had to go out of state for an emergency pregnancy termination. No Texas doctor wanted to risk jail over treating her out of fear of the poorly written terms. In Texas, anyone 'abetting' a pregnancy termination, such as a person who drives the woman across the state, can be sued for such support by anyone else in the state of Texas and collect money on it. [Bounty Hunter reminiscent]
Had Texas left the decision between the mother and the doctor without the Texas Governor/Legislature intervening, she could have been treated immediately the way women were before Texas' new law under the governor's instigation.
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So, it was like turning a child under court order protection to an abusive parent because the court didn't want to deal with the child's welfare and felt the parent might be a better choice. That was a poor choice for the SC to return the decisions to the states. The SC knew better. We now see and suffer from the draconian outcomes being implemented in numerous states by narrowminded legislatures.
The 'will of the people' now has to clean up the SC mess by voting the legislators and governors out of office and repealing the laws. Some justice system!
Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. We need one for the SC and government as well. IMHO.
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rotflmao. Let's not even pretend it was Biden. We all know it's not. It's whoever is running the US, and with Biden wandering around on vacation, and Harris swaning around campaigning, it's whoever the fuck has been fucking the USA over for the last 3.5 years, but let's not waste time pretending it was Biden. He barely knows what day it is these days. Anyhow, let's call it the Biden Admministration because he's still the puppet, and it's pretty blatant at this point, but whatever.
Funding going to Ukraine? My ass. The Biden Administration has about 16 billion left to use on Ukraine (most of the 61 billion was NOT for Ukraine!!!)
11 billion from the 61 billion was actually FOR Ukraine.
4 billion has been held over from 2023 because it WASN'T SPENT
2 billion "found"
The Biden Administration has actually spent about 1 billion in the last few months...
in August they spent 125 million.....
IF the Biden Administration keeps on track with current declining aid packages the current aid will last.....about 10 years (128 months) !!!
SPEND THE FUCKING MONEY that was budgeted for Ukraine!!!! The Biden Administrations is actively BLOCKING aid authorized by the American people’s representatives for Ukraine. Now, let's all remember that Trump was impeached for "delaying aid"!!!! Keep in mind that the lend lease act of 2022 that Cornyn (R-TX) got passed and Biden signed approved $33+ billion for weapons,,, and Biden refused to use it even when Ukraine was begging for it. And now Ukraine were and still are ok with paying back lend lease as well!!!
There is NOTHING to thank the Biden Administration for whatsoever. They kicked off this war by greenlighting Putin. They expected Ukraine to fall right away and offered Zelensky a ride out. They don't want Ukraine to win, and I think that's more than obvious now. The early intel leak when the orcs were N of Kyiv was a dead giveaway. The US model had predicted Russia would take all of the Eastern Ukraine up to the Dnipro River, then there'd be a ceasefire. Ukraine surprised them, and everything since then has been aimed at appearing to support Ukraine while ensuring Ukraine doesn't win. They've drip fed and slow walked aid the entire time. We have 3,500 M1 tanks sitting in the desert in storage and they send 30 or 40 odd. We have 2000 Bradley's sitting in the desert and they sent a couple of hundred. We have 100's of old F16's and they sent not one, and had slow walked pilot training and knee-capped Sweden sending Gripen's (engine licensing).
The Biden Administration kneecapped Polish Mig-29's going to Ukraine early on. We have literally hundreds of old 155mm howitzers sitting in storage and not one has been refurbished to send to Ukraine. The ZSU is crying out for IFV's, we have surplus Strykers out the ying yang, and what do we send. A couple of hundred. We have A10's we are getting rid of, and what do we send to Ukraine. Fucking nada. And spare me the bullshit about survivability. The ZSU has proved they know what they're doing and they can take losses to slaughter Russians. Nope, there is NOTHING to thank the Biden Administration for, and Zelensky and Ukraine KNOW they are being played now. It's obvious enough that everyone realizes it.
The Biden Administration knee-capped Ukraine and instigate the fall of Avdiivka by engineering the cutoff of 155mm ammo supply, a deliberate and artificial constraint designed to pressure the GOP on a US domestic political issue when there was billions of dollars of drawdown authority left. The Biden Administration deliberately killed thousands of Ukrainian soldiers to try and leverage an advantage in domestic US politics. The Biden Administration has 16 BILLION in funding available that has been approved that it has not, is not, and very visibly WILL NOT be used to aid Ukraine.
Why in the fuck not? I think with the Kursk offensive, we have just had that demonstrated to us in spades. The Biden Administration has leaked Ukrainian plans to the Russians. They have forbidden Ukrainian moves in the past. They have actively worked to limit what Ukraine does and how they can use US - and European - supplied weapons, and CONTINUE to do so. The US was very deliberately NOT advised of the Kursk offensive, and operational security was kept tighter than a nun's ass. Because if the US had known, Russian would have known. What does THAT say about the Biden Administration? And the US military for that matter.
No, this whole Kursk offensive has the Biden Administration shitting bricks, because it's outside the game plan and Ukraine is engineering a Ukrainian victory DESPITE the best efforts of the USA to leverage Ukraine into accepting a permanent loss of territory to Russia, a a ceasefire design to preserve Putin.
Yeah, there was a little pew pew and the perimeter around the RNC expanded. So glad his ear healed so quickly.
I applaud you trying to argue in good faith with Traitor Tater. He’s worse than a kid, takes his toys home from the playground when he gets mad.
@icanhelp1 Hashbrowns down!
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I couldn’t find anything that explains the function of the criminal courts for incest rape cases. People refusing to press charges for rape and incest surely complicates things.
Cleaning up the mess is not SCOTUS’s fault. Putting the responsibility on legislators is in my opinion the correct approach. Legislators need to legislate the will of the people. When citizens grow tired of their politicians they’ll vote them out. A national referendum needs to be debated by congress but unfortunately tribalism stops many good legislative agendas. Congress need to separate itself from party loyalty and back to representing their constituents. Leaders of each party have way too much power. Majority leaders can block good ideas like what Schumer did to HR-2 and McConnell with an up and down vote on Garland and Reed with the nuclear option. imho
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It isn't February yet.
Your poor research skills again, stick with the deep fryer Traitor Tater-it’s what you are good at.
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