A bit troubled by comments about Penn State

[Safe_Bet]

If it had happened here in my home state? I'd have drawn the concealed, put a stop to it and maybe let him live for the cops.

Thank you.

BTW, thank you Ladies for being willing to do what is right. (unlike a certain unnamed spineless individual... )

 

[Somehowyou]

If it had happened here in my home state? I'd have drawn the concealed, put a stop to it and maybe let him live for the cops.

No! You would have been arrested for carrying your concealed in a campus area so you would not of had it with you.

He did not see the act! If I would have seen it and been 100% sure I would hope I would have intervened on the boy's behalf. Of course I do not know how I would have reacted because this is a stressful unusua,l unprobable situation that I am not trained to deal with. One that I hope I never have to deal with. I imagine McQueary...he didn't see it. He heard something like skin slapping. With each step he is putting the peices together in his mind and trying to convince himself that his former coach is not a monster. Was the kid crying out for help? Did Mike have an inkling that Jerry is a pedofile? Was this all a shock to him?

I think about all those people that are witness murder and robbery and they refuse to help or refuse to testify?

In military history, I have read about men bragging about how brave they are going to be when they get their chance to fight and then they finally get in battle they shit thier pants and cower. Who knows for sure what they would do?

Talk is cheap

 

[boredVAwife]

I am going to quote the AP report out today about what McQueary told the grand jury he saw on the day in question. "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on." You can look that up for yourself as the first story under yahoo when you search his name. Ok now I ask you. He admitted he thought that intercourse was going on. IF a MAN "thinks intercourse is going on" with a CHILD, is he not obligated to do whatever is necessary to stop that from happening? Give me one rational statement that can make me believe that it is ok to walk away and clear your head before acting. His words were what I quoted. His admission of what he thought he saw. He was not in a war. He was not in a dark alley. And let's not forget that the rapist was an old man that was NAKED. Just how tough could Sandusky have been standing there buck naked? Could not a man as big as McQueary have taken him?

 

[Somehowyou]

He wasn't positive at the time. He thought something was fishy. He wasn't positive. He was probably in shock. Who could imagine someone can do that? Where there plausable explinations for the sound he thought her heard? He saw a man and boy naked in a public gang-shower in a loocker room? I have seen this before and I did not suspect rape. Did you ever walk away and think you saw something wrong and as you added things up in your head you were pretty sure something was wrong? McQueary didn't see the act. He put 2 and 2 together in the seconds he was walking away. Is McQueary the villian? Or does someone have to pay for this monster so you want more heads?

You don't know what you would have done because you were not there.

I am wonder when you are going to start your typical name calling like the other thread?




I DO know what I would have done because I walked into a bathroom of a club that was closed and an asshole was forcing himself onto a woman that was screaming and scratching him. I did not walk away. I did not go call someone to ask what I should do. I jumped right onto his back and did my best to rip his eyeballs out. I got my nose broken from his elbow but I would do it again in a heartbeat. Mcqueary has testified that they were naked and he saw Sandusky with his arms around the child's waist. You would not even do that to your own son in a public facility. He knew what he saw. He simply did not have the courage at that moment to take a stand against a popular figure. He chose to leave and think it over? Gimme a break. He was gutless. Period. Please don't assume you can think you know what I would or would not do. As for my "name calling" I am guessing you are referring to my calling you a half wit. If you react to this situation like the other one did I have a new name for you to cry over. Gutless

Good for you. I was infantry. I have been in 100's of scrapes and I have killed people.

But Mike's case wasn't as easy as your situation. It was not as cut and dry. You did the right thing and acted heroically given the circumstance. He did not catch his former coach in the act.

Now, put yourself in McQueary's shoes....Mike's former coach runs a major charity. Mike may have looked up to as a father figure for years when he played for him. He has no idea he is capable of this. He did not walk into the shower and catch him in the act. He heard (did not see) skin slapping. No one was screaming bloody murder or for help. His spider senses are tingling. He is putting the puzzle together in his head trying convince himself that this could not be happening.

BTW - I do not want to open old wounds but for the record, In that thread that you called me a half wit, I took offense to one woman who posted that no woman on this thread would ever have a need for a man. Do you feel that one person can speak for all of you? I know yourself that that is not true because you said that sometimes you miss your ex-husband.

We are human not perfect

 

[Somehowyou]

As a former athlete I have been in several showers with men. I have been in the shower while boys have been in the shower. I have never witnessed someone having sex in the mens shower. So just beacuse htere is a man and a boy taking ashower after a work out does not mean that they child rape is happening.

If he was 100% sure I hope he would have hit the guy over the head with a chair or at least got between the kid and the his ex-coach.

 

[Somehowyou]

I am going to quote the AP report out today about what McQueary told the grand jury he saw on the day in question. "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on." You can look that up for yourself as the first story under yahoo when you search his name. Ok now I ask you. He admitted he thought that intercourse was going on. IF a MAN "thinks intercourse is going on" with a CHILD, is he not obligated to do whatever is necessary to stop that from happening? Give me one rational statement that can make me believe that it is ok to walk away and clear your head before acting. His words were what I quoted. His admission of what he thought he saw. He was not in a war. He was not in a dark alley. And let's not forget that the rapist was an old man that was NAKED. Just how tough could Sandusky have been standing there buck naked? Could not a man as big as McQueary have taken him?

He "thought" he did not "know" it was going on. At what point did he "think" sex was going on. At what point did he convince himself of this? When he was i the locker room or when he stepped outside? I really don't know. I hoped he would have stepped in if he knew for sure before he walked out of the locker room.

 

[boredVAwife]

I get that he was as confused as hell about WHY he saw what he saw but my quotes are taken straight from the AP report about his testimony. I am no whiz I don't know how to link things but that quote is word for word accurate taken from HIS own words. "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on" In his own words he stated that it was very clear. Yeah his brain was probably buzzing over why it was happening and who was doing it but in that same article it quoted him as saying he thought the child was 10 years old. I know women feel stronger about this because so many of us have dealt with this in our lives and have kept quiet. I simply cannot fathom a man - no - anyone saying that "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on" and yet walking away to think it over. Sometimes things require actions first and thoughts second. I have learned that from my years and literally almost 1ook miles on a bike that you act out of instinct quite often. That is all I am trying to say - his first instinct was to walk away from a child in a terrible situation. How awful. True I probably was out of line to call you a half wit but I do hope that you and any man reading this would do the right thing if he ever finds himself in a situation where a woman or child is being taken advantage of because I promise you that it happens so many times it would tear your heart out to know how many women that you may even know have had a man force himself on her and no one even knows. A child makes it so much worse.

 

[Somehowyou]

I get that he was as confused as hell about WHY he saw what he saw but my quotes are taken straight from the AP report about his testimony. I am no whiz I don't know how to link things but that quote is word for word accurate taken from HIS own words. "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on" In his own words he stated that it was very clear. Yeah his brain was probably buzzing over why it was happening and who was doing it but in that same article it quoted him as saying he thought the child was 10 years old. I know women feel stronger about this because so many of us have dealt with this in our lives and have kept quiet. I simply cannot fathom a man - no - anyone saying that "it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on" and yet walking away to think it over. Sometimes things require actions first and thoughts second. I have learned that from my years and literally almost 1ook miles on a bike that you act out of instinct quite often. That is all I am trying to say - his first instinct was to walk away from a child in a terrible situation. How awful. True I probably was out of line to call you a half wit but I do hope that you and any man reading this would do the right thing if he ever finds himself in a situation where a woman or child is being taken advantage of because I promise you that it happens so many times it would tear your heart out to know how many women that you may even know have had a man force himself on her and no one even knows. A child makes it so much worse.

OK, I do agree with you. I also think maternal intincts may kick in for a woman and you may even be more likely to act on instinct in this situation then I would. You may need less evidence to jump into protection mode then a man would. I still say that there is a chance he putted all together after the fact (I can see that happening). Here is another possibility...Could it be posible that McQueary could modify his story to put the monster away for good?

 

[boredVAwife]

OK, I do agree with you. I also think maternal intincts may kick in for a woman and you may even be more likely to act on instinct in this situation then I would. You may need less evidence to jump into protection mode then a man would. I still say that there is a chance he putted all together after the fact (I can see that happening). Here is another possibility...Could it be posible that McQueary could modify his story to put the monster away for good?

Possible but it makes him look even worse. I find it implausible that he would say something to make himself look less manly just to make a stronger case against a rapist. I mean he makes it seem like he knew he was walking away from a crime. I know you are getting tired of that quote but wow he admitted he thought intercourse was going on. All of the back and forth in the world won't change the terrible fact that many kids were possibly hurt a lot by this cretin. (Sandusky) And lest I forget I am grateful for you to have served your country in the military. But we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on the extent of what his (McQueary) actions should have been. I am hot blooded and I want to think hell standing between this retched man and me would not have stopped me from gouging out his eyeballs.

 

[none2_none2]

Jesus, dude! You obviously don't know shit, so don't you dare criticize the opinions of somebody whose actually been through it.

Child abuse and rape IS fatal if untreated. If it doesn't kill you physically, by the perp or later through suicide, it certainly kills your soul and the person you COULD have been!

Also treatment doesn't necessarily mean counseling or seeing a shrink. In my case the best treatment was the closure of finally seeing the motherfucker thrown in prison.

BTW, there's nothing "fatalistic" about either of those things. They don't represent "victim hood" either. They represent facts and justice.

Why don't you come down off your cross? Others need the wood.

How dare you say I don't know anything about it when my family was greatly impacted by abuse. Both my only siblings and my significant other have been through it childhood sexual abuse -- starting way before puberty. My step-mother actually took the polorids of her husband molesting my half-sisters -- her own flesh and blood daughters. Up to the last few month her life she excused it as giving her on girls a taste of real life -- since her father had done it to her.

Neither my step-mother nor her husband spent even an hour in jail, but neither did they ever spend an hour with my sisters' children because my sisters knew they couldn't trust them. Nevertheless, they CHOOSE to not let them spoil their families' futures. They protected their children from abuse, and they went on with their lives. They are both wonderful people that I'm proud to be related to. When they get together or when I'm there we don't reminise about the good old days.

I don't personally classify myself as having experienced full blown sexual abuse because it didn't quite go that far, and I was eleven before my hell began. My father knew how to push my buttons. I had to go around the house nude while his prostitutes were around. He never forced me to have sex with them. He knew there was nothing more humiliating than being a 12-14 year old boy and forced to be naked around girls -- let alone adult female sex workers. If that wasn't enough to further humiliate me in a fit of rage he cut my hair short when he knew I wore it below my ears to keep my deformed ear from showing. Another time I was confused about pints vs quarts, so he hit me in the face with the measuring cup. There was even the time he woke me in the middle of the night when I was sound asleep (to follow him outside and unload the trunk). Unfortunately, I was in such a deep sleep that I fell back asleep. It was not defiance on my part. He was so angry that he came back into my room and slammed my bed against the other wall. Well that definitely work me up. I was terrified for the rest of the night. Another time when my foot kept slipping while holding something up for him, so he hammered my big toe until my toenail came off. Another time he made me stand in an ant pile so I could get bittten: He was teaching me a lesson about going barefoot. The only times he was nice at all to me was when he was drunk which wasn't nearly as often as I wished. Most troubled people have issues when they drink, he was simply evil when he was sober. He was mellow, talkitive, and harmless when he was drunk.

For the 3.5 years I was forced to live with him, I put up with daily verbal and sometimes physical abuse. I was always referred to as being retarted (though I was one of the top students in school) and socially backward. He said that I was an embarassment to the family, so I was forced to read a paragraph from a book on manners at the dinner table every evening in hopes I would stop being so backwards.

When I sought refuge by going to church, he forced me to take notes in church to bring back to him as proof that I was listening to what the minister said. My dad said I didn't honor him like a Christian son was supposed to do, so he wanted proof that when I went I was actually listening. My life ended every day in the afternoon when I would hear his vehicle pull into the driveway as I had no idea what he would do or say to me next. I would run to my bedroom, shut my door and pretend I had a lot of homework in hopes he would leave me alone that evening. It didn't always work.

I finally ran away as best as I could the summer after junior high. By that time (14.5 year old) he couldn't MAKE me live with him anymore.

I could go on and on with the stories, but there is no reason to relive blow by blow 3.5 years of living hell. I hated him for decades. in fact, my sexual fantasies during thsoe years were to fuck/rape my jailer -- my dad. I've heard that such fantasies aren't that bizarre even among straight adult men in prison.

Me, myself, and I finally had to let it all go for MY sanity. I finally had to admit that I am the person that I am each and every day -- I am not my past demons and I REFUSE to be a creation of those years of hell. It may have made me tougher, but if so, then so be it. When I decided to confront him in the 1990's, he didn't seem to remember any of it. I could have gotten angry about that too and given up about making my peace. However, I knew I had to get past the hate. I really don't know if he forgot or just said he did. However, I had to accept that perhaps sick people don't remember their evil insanity. Regardless, I had to let it ALL go. Thus we made our peace. I'd be lying to say we became best friends, but I no longer hated him. It was as if I had lost a heavy yoke. It was the best thing I did for MYSELF.

I won't go into my partners sexual past, but just note that there was plenty in his life since the age of five with adults. For whatever reason it did not bother him. In fact he is more of a decent and "normal" human being than most people that I have met in my life. I never did understand why it didn't bother him at all, but I had to accept what he said. I realized I was feeding him my own past victimization mentality when I tried to suggest it should have bothered him. So I leave it at that.

So the next time you think someone doesn't know what they are talking about, perhaps you should learn where they are coming from before loosing your cool. Just because my father didn't touch my penis, doesn't mean I don't know what a living hell can be like.

 

[Wyldfire]

No! You would have been arrested for carrying your concealed in a campus area so you would not of had it with you.

He did not see the act! If I would have seen it and been 100% sure I would hope I would have intervened on the boy's behalf. Of course I do not know how I would have reacted because this is a stressful unusua,l unprobable situation that I am not trained to deal with. One that I hope I never have to deal with. I imagine McQueary...he didn't see it. He heard something like skin slapping. With each step he is putting the peices together in his mind and trying to convince himself that his former coach is not a monster. Was the kid crying out for help? Did Mike have an inkling that Jerry is a pedofile? Was this all a shock to him?

I think about all those people that are witness murder and robbery and they refuse to help or refuse to testify?

In military history, I have read about men bragging about how brave they are going to be when they get their chance to fight and then they finally get in battle they shit thier pants and cower. Who knows for sure what they would do?

Talk is cheap

You obviously don't know the state I live in dude. Here if I'd had the gun even illegally and the cops found what I'd caught, they'd let me off with a warning and the child molestor would have tripped and fell a whole lot on the way out too.

And as to your talk is cheap, get real, unless you've been in the same places and instances, you have no idea what an abuse survivor is capable of.

And as to talk being cheap all you can bring to the table is what? Military history? LMAO!

 

[juan tractor]

allow me to say something nice about the guy...

bastard covered bastard with bastard filling...

and i'm being very generous when i say that...

 

[twister947]

His career probably factored into McQueary's hesitation and failure to act more assertively. Like it or not, whistle blowers are not rewarded, and in fact, are treated like pariahs. That doesn't excuse a failure to do the right thing, but it does make it a little more understandable, if not forgivable.

 

[Safe_Bet]

His career probably factored into McQueary's hesitation and failure to act more assertively. Like it or not, whistle blowers are not rewarded, and in fact, are treated like pariahs. That doesn't excuse a failure to do the right thing, but it does make it a little more understandable, if not forgivable.

Oh, I certainly understand "why" he did nothing (i.e. self serving asshole), but I will NOT forgive some one walking away and knowing leaving a child in the hands of a rapist.

 

[twister947]

Oh, I certainly understand "why" he did nothing (i.e. self serving asshole), but I will NOT forgive some one walking away and knowing leaving a child in the hands of a rapist.

Nor I, but it would certainly be a damned if you do, and damned if you don't moment. I wouldn't wish that choice on anyone, and only hope if it were ever thrust on me, I'd do the right thing. I'd like to think I would.

Another dilemma, do you beat the living shit out of the rapist, or tend to the victim? The answer is, "B", but I'd hate to let the opportunity to administer a bit of street justice get away from me.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Another dilemma, do you beat the living shit out of the rapist, or tend to the victim? The answer is, "B", but I'd hate to let the opportunity to administer a bit of street justice get away from me.

Better be careful, dude! There are some posters here (well, one anyways) who are afraid to physically confront a naked, 67 y.o., old man.

 

[juan tractor]

Better be careful, dude! There are some posters here (well, one anyways) who are afraid to physically confront a naked, 67 y.o., old man.

EW!!!

 

[Missouribiguy]

Better be careful, dude! There are some posters here (well, one anyways) who are afraid to physically confront a naked, 67 y.o., old man.

You know, I am sick of your mouth! Listen, you do not know what people are capable of. I know if it was me, I would probably kill the motherfucker, but people react to different situations.

But, still, you have NO FUCKING RIGHT to put down someone and call them a coward!

 

[Somehowyou]

Xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[boredVAwife]

Not sure where that came from but the above remark was NOT made by me. I have never been in the military but that makes it look like I said that. That was NOT cool at all. I would appreciate it if you would quote MY remarks and not make it look like I am a liar. Fuck this place. Now I am getting someone making remarks that they said, look like I said it and it looks like I am bragging about something I didn't do. Now I see why girlsmiley left and I am right behind her.

 

[boredVAwife]

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[Safe_Bet]

You know, I am sick of your mouth! Listen, you do not know what people are capable of. I know if it was me, I would probably kill the motherfucker, but people react to different situations.

But, still, you have NO FUCKING RIGHT to put down someone and call them a coward!

You're sick of my mouth? What are you my freakin' mother now?

Your just like the rest of the cock suckers here! The douche can say anything and everything to a woman (including implying that we are weak, helpless and need to run away = "he would pop you like a pimple on a mirror") and that's fine. But let somebody call him on his shit and all of a sudden it's a flame war!

Let me clue you in on sumthing, Bucky! You and your whiny ass ilk don't like hearing the truth you best put me on ignore cuz I ain't shutting up for the likes of your sorry ass!

 

[Missouribiguy]

You're sick of my mouth? What are you my freakin' mother now?

Your just like the rest of the cock suckers here! The douche can say anything and everything to a woman (including implying that we are weak, helpless and need to run away = "he would pop you like a pimple on a mirror") and that's fine. But let somebody call him on his shit and all of a sudden it's a flame war!

Let me clue you in on sumthing, Bucky! You and your whiny ass ilk don't like hearing the truth you best put me on ignore cuz I ain't shutting up for the likes of your sorry ass!

No, I'm not your mother, but you just seem a little arrogant when you don't need to be.

 

[Safe_Bet]

No, I'm not your mother, but you just seem a little arrogant when you don't need to be.

Way to address the issues!

Funny how I don't see any posts from you condemning him, even though he has spread his insults to other threads.

Like I said... You guys are all the same.

 

[Somehowyou]

Not boredvahousewifes quote

Not sure where that came from but the above remark was NOT made by me. I have never been in the military but that makes it look like I said that. That was NOT cool at all. I would appreciate it if you would quote MY remarks and not make it look like I am a liar. Fuck this place. Now I am getting someone making remarks that they said, look like I said it and it looks like I am bragging about something I didn't do. Now I see why girlsmiley left and I am right behind her.

OMG that did not come out right. That comment was not made by boardVAwife. I was refering to my prior military experience which I did not want to bring up again.

I will just say this one last time. It's not clear to me if McQueary was sure at what he saw at the time he saw it.

I can tell you from first hand experience, it's the biggest talkers that seem to be the ones that do not perform when the shit hits the fan.

Some of these people talk shit. Is it really a good thing to dole out instant justice? Do you know what it is like to be responsible for someones death and not know if you got the right guy?