A positive about Trump: he permanently damaged hypocritical American evangelicals.

[Hypoxia]

Christians forgive

Bullshit.
Xians beg to be forgiven for their crimes.
They don't forgive opposition, apostasy, heresy.
Cf inquisition, forced conversion, holy wars.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The more moderate church goers are having discussions, arguments, friendships lost, etc. Their minds and compassion are working. The "racism part" is where most of them say Trumpy-poo is losing them, and I obviously have respect for that.

However, the dumbest - and thus most destructive - of the evangelicals are losing their shit re: their hypocrisy getting the marquee, and their public image going in the toilet. Mr. and Ms. Morality In Your Face 24/7 are getting laughed at if they even whisper Trump's name. They're, of course, doubling down (what do you expect - denying truth is in their DNA), but this particular group of shitheads will never be the same. The renard_ruse's are spending every waking minute on damage control, and failing. The home of television evangelism, the campus of Trinity Broadcasting, is empty and rotting away. These folks REALLY want their guns now, because they're scared.

It feels somewhat like the Catholic church abuse scandal in terms of current reaction, and I suspect that, like that scandal, it'll come up in almost every conversation about ultra-devout Christianity 10 years from now, and beyond: but did you support him?

This day of reckoning has been a long time coming...

You're way too premature. It's going to take a decade or two before Christian-ist Evangelicals (these people are NOT Christians by Jesus' definition) will appreciate the damage.

Their numbers will remain strong until those middle aged white trash finally die off. Until then the public relations damage will be very minimal. But when that die-off starts and the POC/female majority kicks in, well, there's a scene in that disaster movie "Day After Tomorrow" that serves as a GREAT analogy for what happens next to the Christian-ist Evangelicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJn261UAdaA

 

[phrodeau]

Christianity has a lot more to answer for than supporting Trump.

 

[Hypoxia]

Christianity has a lot more to answer for than supporting Trump.

Horrible repetitive XMas carols ringing through retail outlets for months are just the tip of that iceberg. Can you count the new pet bunnies and ducklings abandoned to die after Easter? How much of Earth's electricity is wasted powering evangelical media? How unsanitary is Communion?

Good sides of Xianity: Community; inspired arts & crafts; charity, when it happens. Bad sides of Xianity: All that blood. All those lies and slaves and unpaid taxes. And don't forget the bad math.

 

[about_average]

Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, also came to the president's defense on Tuesday, saying Trump deserves a second chance.

They are always willing to give people a second chance, provided they push an anti-choice view.

Two of the premier evangelical leaders in the country said over 3,000 Americans deserved to die on 9-11, yet there was nearly complete silence on how despicable the two of them were, and one is still an evangelical leader, referred to as a "Great American" by Sean Hannity, another ultra right poster child that conservatives revere.
The other, who is, thankfully, dead now, got to have his ass kissed by McCain in order to win the evangelical vote.

What's funny is Trump isn't even really anti-choice.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Christianity has a lot more to answer for than supporting Trump.

Modern civilization?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The issue is he will get them all back because his crusade this year is to make abortion illegal and most likely try and make Birth control almost impossible to get. Church goers have the same goal with women as conservatives do, keep them barefoot and pregnant.

And they will deal with his racism and other issues if they can get that from him.

I'll state what I do whenever I discuss church/Gov. The president who makes it so churches pay taxes, especially the catholic church will be the greatest president in history.

Agree with both points.

I honestly thought the government had struck a fair balance with churches (Don't publicly endorse a candidate, keep your tax exempt status. Publicly endorse a candidate, lose your tax exempt status.) Once the baby boomer ethos ("I want it ALL and I want it NOW") took hold of churches, they began to feel entitled to having it both ways: endorsing candidates and keeping tax exempt status).

The church has ALWAYS been about tax exempt status.

Remember, Roe v. Wade was decided way back in 1973, and Christians didn't blink an eye. Then in 1978 President Carter attempted to revoke Bob Jones University's tax exempt status for naked political posturing, and their PR department decided abortion was the best mechanism for public victimhood.

 

[Hypoxia]

Modern civilization?

Interviewer: What do you think of Western civilization?
Mohandas Gandhi: I think it would be a very good idea.

Euro-Xianity a millennium ago was pretty ignorant. Took a bunch of Muslim info (original, and retrieved Graeco-Roman classics) and Jewish translators to kick things off. Stealing the Indian idea of zero (independently invented by Mayans) helped with calculating. Xians had this habit of burning people who knew stuff. Sad.

 

[phrodeau]

Modern civilization?

Christianity put the brakes on modern civilization for 1,200 years.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Christianity put the brakes on modern civilization for 1,200 years.

There would be no modern civilization.

 

[William_James]

There would be no modern civilization.

You seem awfully confident with that.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Rub those 2 mighty brain cells together and dispute me, George.

 

[Hypoxia]

Aztec and Inca civilizations were rapidly advancing technologically when Cortés arrived in MesoAmerica. Incas were Pacific-oriented and would have colonized the Californias. With Europe at Dark Ages level, Aztecs would have crossed the Atlantic and conquered the subcontinent. Ritual pyramids would dot the landscape, with European heads rolling from the top altars, and bodies tossed down for cannibal feasts.

The cross is nothing without the sword behind it.

 

[about_average]

Modern civilization?

Christians invented the wheel, writing and math?
Wow, who knew?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Christians invented the wheel, writing and math?
Wow, who knew?

Welcome to the Land of George.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Christians invented the wheel, writing and math?
Wow, who knew?

Modern civilization doesn't start until after the middle ages and Christianity had a lot to do with it as did Islam. Religion in general is responsible for keeping people together to form civilizations in the first place.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The more moderate church goers are having discussions, arguments, friendships lost, etc. Their minds and compassion are working. The "racism part" is where most of them say Trumpy-poo is losing them, and I obviously have respect for that.

However, the dumbest - and thus most destructive - of the evangelicals are losing their shit re: their hypocrisy getting the marquee, and their public image going in the toilet. Mr. and Ms. Morality In Your Face 24/7 are getting laughed at if they even whisper Trump's name. They're, of course, doubling down (what do you expect - denying truth is in their DNA), but this particular group of shitheads will never be the same. The renard_ruse's are spending every waking minute on damage control, and failing. The home of television evangelism, the campus of Trinity Broadcasting, is empty and rotting away. These folks REALLY want their guns now, because they're scared.

It feels somewhat like the Catholic church abuse scandal in terms of current reaction, and I suspect that, like that scandal, it'll come up in almost every conversation about ultra-devout Christianity 10 years from now, and beyond: but did you support him?

This day of reckoning has been a long time coming...

I think Trump is going to double down on his religion con. He is going to "see the light" in some over the top way. Maybe he will be born again for the SOTU and the Apostle Mike Pence will dunk him in a bathtub.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I think Trump is going to double down on his religion con. He is going to "see the light" in some over the top way. Maybe he will be born again for the SOTU and the Apostle Mike Pence will dunk him in a bathtub.

If Donald could just win over Jeremiah Wright, America's chickens would be coming home to roost.

 

[William_James]

Rub those 2 mighty brain cells together and dispute me, George.

Why do you think Christianity was/would be a necessary precondition to civilization?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Why do you think Christianity was/would be a necessary precondition to civilization?

Wrong account, George.

 

[William_James]

Why do you think Christianity was/would be a necessary precondition to civilization?

Wrong account, George.

 

[Hypoxia]

Modern civilization doesn't start until after the middle ages and Christianity had a lot to do with it as did Islam. Religion in general is responsible for keeping people together to form civilizations in the first place.

I'll say again: The cross is nothing without the sword behind it.

Religions are not unified. They schism, with murderous competing factions. Islam's glory days followed the Sunni-Shiite split. We can date the 'modern' European age from the Reformation, Counter-Reformation, and centuries of war. Or maybe from the Vatican's split with Orthodoxy a half-millennium prior.

Believers are only civilized when they're killing each other.

 

[richard_daily]

Christians invented the wheel, writing and math?
Wow, who knew?

Let's put together a list of christian inventors who have had great influence for a more positive society...





There. That was easy.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Let's put together a list of christian inventors who have had great influence for a more positive society...





There. That was easy.

Let's extrapolate where society would be today without the inherent checks and balances that religion has provided.

 

[richard_daily]

Religion is a tool for the rich to control gullible people and control them. Ken is apparently one of those gullible people.