A woman's rights to her own life, her own body

[gotsnowgotslush]

After it reached the Senate, Perry did some rewriting on HB 3994 to address two of the bill's most controversial provisions on which both Democrats and some conservatives had raised concerns.

As expected, he gutted a provision that would have required all doctors to presume a pregnant woman seeking an abortion was a minor unless she could present a “valid government record of identification" to prove she was 18 or older.

The ID requirement — dubbed “abortion ID” by opponents — raised red flags because it would apply to all women in the state even though the bill focused on minors.

Under Perry's new language, a physician must use “due diligence” to determine a woman’s identity and age, but could still perform the abortion if a woman could not provide an ID. Doctors would also have to report to the state how many abortions were performed annually without “proof of identity and age.”

Perry said the revised language “gives physician more latitude” to determine a woman’s age.

But Democratic state Sen. Kirk Watson of Austin, who spoke in opposition to the bill and questioned Perry for almost an hour, challenged the ID requirement altogether.

“I can't think of another instance where we presume women are children,” Watson said. “I certainly can’t think of any situation where we presume a man is a child.”


http://www.texastribune.org/2015/05/25/senate-clears-bill-restricting-minors-seeking-abor/

Though HB 3994 is focused on judicial bypass, it could affect all Texas women seeking an abortion. Among the most contentious provisions of HB 3994 is a requirement that doctors presume a pregnant woman is a minor unless she presents a “valid government record of identification.”

 

[LadyVer]

Don't the statistics prove that the majority of women who have gotten abortions are adults? I am sick and tired of the GOP obsessing about women's reproductive health while people can't find decent jobs and the state is floating away.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Congratulations, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, and Sarah Palin, and other Right Wing Extremists.

You have turned the United States of America over to cults.

Could you tell me, again, Gov. Scott Walker, how lovely and cool it is, to be coerced by law, into enduring a rape from an ultrasound wand ?

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/scot...-a-cool-thing/

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker defended a bill he signed that required women to undergo ultrasound examinations before seeking an abortion, saying the medically unnecessary procedures were a “lovely” and “cool thing.”

 

[Busybody]

Congrats to all DUMZ and LIBZ and PROGZ for killing BABIES, especially teh COLORED ONES

 

[Boxlicker101]

Congratulations, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, and Sarah Palin, and other Right Wing Extremists.

You have turned the United States of America over to cults.

Could you tell me, again, Gov. Scott Walker, how lovely and cool it is, to be coerced by law, into enduring a rape from an ultrasound wand ?

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/scot...-a-cool-thing/

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker defended a bill he signed that required women to undergo ultrasound examinations before seeking an abortion, saying the medically unnecessary procedures were a “lovely” and “cool thing.”

First, I think you are misquoting him and quoting him out of context. He did not say the procedure was cool; he said the video itself was a cool and lovely thing. Second, "rape" is a bit strong, unless it is done by insertion in the vagina, which should not be necessary.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-abortion-ultrasounds-cool

"The thing about that, the media tried to make that sound like that was a crazy idea,” Walker said. “Most people I talk to, whether they’re pro-life or not, I find people all the time who’ll get out their iPhone and show me a picture of their grandkids’ ultrasound and how excited they are, so that’s a lovely thing. I think about my sons who are 19 and 20, and we still have their first ultrasounds. It’s just a cool thing out there.”

Third, I agree that ultrasounds should not be required, once the girl or woman has decided to get an abortion. They just cause a delay, make the process more expensive and require a wait before the AB can be done. I don't know exactly, but I a pretty sure most AB are done before anything would show up on an ultrasound.

 

[Busybody]

A baby can be seen 6 weeks in

Purpose of ultrasound sound is to show the killer what she is killing

Doesnt delay anything but for 3 days

So what

But the party of death loves to kill

 

[LadyVer]

Congratulations, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, and Sarah Palin, and other Right Wing Extremists.

You have turned the United States of America over to cults.

Could you tell me, again, Gov. Scott Walker, how lovely and cool it is, to be coerced by law, into enduring a rape from an ultrasound wand ?

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/scot...-a-cool-thing/

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker defended a bill he signed that required women to undergo ultrasound examinations before seeking an abortion, saying the medically unnecessary procedures were a “lovely” and “cool thing.”

Guess he would know how lovely and cool the wands are.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

What was the law in Arkansas, for the consent to marry, before the 2005 Mid-West interstate scandal?

After months of embarrassment for the state, the law was finally corrected in April 2008, making the minimum age 17 for boys and 16 for girls.

http://www.womansday.com/relationsh...46/10-obscure-marriage-laws-in-the-us-110196/

August 18, 2007

LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS — A law passed this year allows Arkansans of any age -- even tots -- to wed if their parents agree, and the governor may have to call a special session to fix the mistake, lawmakers said Friday.

The law was intended to establish 18 as the minimum age to marry but an extraneous "not" in the bill allows anyone who is not pregnant to marry at any age if the parents allow it.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-08-18/news/0708170847_1_marry-law-parents

A law passed this year allows Arkansans of any age—even infants—to marry if their parents agree, and the governor may have to call a special session to fix the mistake, lawmakers said today.

The legislation was intended to establish 18 as the minimum age to marry but also allow pregnant teenagers to marry with parental consent, bill sponsor Rep. Will Bond said. An extraneous “not” in the bill, however, allows anyone who is not pregnant to marry at any age if the parents allow it.

“It’s clearly not the intent to allow 10-year-olds or 11-year-olds to get married,” Bond said. “The legislation was screwed up.”

http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/but_can_gay_babies_get_married


11 July 2007
LITTLE ROCK – The Arkansas Code Revision Commission on Wednesday clarified legislation approved this year concerning the age of consent for marriage.

Rep. Will Bond, D-Jacksonville, said the measure he co-sponsored during the legislative session, which was later approved and signed into law as Act 441, was designed to set the minimum age for marriage without parental consent at 18 for both men and women.

The act is to go into effect July 31, raising the minimum age for girls from the current 16-years-old and boys from 17. The measure allows an exception for pregnant women younger than 18.

Questions about the minimum age, however, were raised recently by county clerks and in an attorney general’s opinion, which said that the new law inadvertently left out the minimum age for marriage and would allow anyone under 18, including children, to get married with parental consent.

At the request of Bond and the Senate sponsor, Sen. Jim Luker, D-Wynne, the Code Revision Commission on Wednesday removed the word “not” from two places in Act 441 to clarify that 18 is the minimum age to get married without parental consent.

Bond said the decision to ask the commission to change the act was made because the legislation goes into effect at the end of the month and because of timing concerns about printing new laws and statutes before the end of the month

http://archives.arkansasnews.com/se...ooking-to-snap-slide-in-starkville/page/7145/

Beebe mulling options to address marriage law snafu
Posted on 21 August 2007
LITTLE ROCK – Gov. Mike Beebe said Tuesday a special session and other options are on the table to address problems with Arkansas’ age of consent to marry law.

If a special session is necessary, correcting the marriage statute likely would be the only item on the agenda, the governor said.

Beebe said he hopes to decide within a week on how he plans to address the problem, caused when the Legislature this year passed a bill intended to make 18 the minimum age at which a person in Arkansas can get married without parental consent. The minimum age had been 16 for women and 17 for men.

Attorney General Dustin McDaniel later issued an opinion saying the wording of the new law would allow a minor to get married at any age with parental consent, which a co-sponsor of the bill has said was never the intent.

“I think there are options that obviously include a special session, but then we’re looking at other options to see if it’s absolutely necessary,” Beebe told reporters Tuesday before a speech to economic developers.

If a special session is called, he said, other issues such as immigration, a statewide trauma system and increasing the severance tax on natural gas, would not be on the agenda.

“Neither one of those things currently are what I call ripe,” he said.

Act 441 was an effort to make the age of consent for teenagers uniform, though it allowed exceptions for pregnant women younger than 18, said Rep. Will Bond, D-Jacksonville, a co-sponsor of the measure.

However, county clerks later raised questions about the minimum age, and the attorney general issued an opinion saying the new law inadvertently left out the minimum age for marriage and would allow anyone under 18, including young children, to get married with parental consent.

At the request of Bond and the Senate sponsor, Sen. Jim Luker, D-Wynne, the Arkansas Code Revision Commission last month removed the word “not” from two places in Act 441 to clarify the law to provide that 18 is the minimum age to get married without parental consent.

On Friday, the Legislative Council voted to ask the commission to reverse the clarification. Legislators felt the change went too far and changed the meaning of the legislation. Several lawmakers, including Sen. Dave Bisbee, R-Rogers, said they did not like the idea of the commission changing the meaning of a law passed by the Legislature.

After the vote, some lawmakers suggested the governor could call a special session to correct the mistake. Others said a special session was unnecessary and that the problem could be corrected in the 2009 session.

Beebe said Tuesday he wants to know how the county clerks are handling the issue before he makes a final decision.

“First of all, I don’t think anybody disagrees that we don’t want minors marrying at the age at which some of the suggestions have indicated this new law would permit. I think then it becomes a question of whether or not the clerks have sufficient leeway to be able to deny that. So we’re looking into that,” Beebe said.

“They were trying to let parents permit it for 16-, 17-year-old girls if they were pregnant,” the governor said. “So I think what we’re trying to do is keep the intent of the Legislature … to restrict underage marriage to those situations.”

Other possible issues for a special session are still being debated and no decision on calling lawmakers back to the Capitol will be made on those until legislators reach come consensus, Beebe said.

Lawmakers ended this year’s regular session without agreeing to a funding source for a proposed $25 million statewide trauma system, and states are considering ways to curb illegal immigration in the absence of congressional action.

Also, Beebe has said he would support a ballot initiative to raise the state’s severance tax if the natural gas industry does not agree on an increase.

“One of the last things a governor wants to do is call a special session on a number of issues and not have it agreed to on the front end. You end up with an open-ended, long special session, which is not productive,” Beebe said


http://archives.arkansasnews.com/2007/08/21/beebe-mulling-options-to-address-marriage-law-snafu/

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

A federal appeals court on Wednesday upheld a judge’s ruling that struck down most of an Arkansas law that sought to ban most abortions at 12 weeks or later into a pregnancy.

Court: 12-week abortion ban unconstitutional

LITTLE ROCK — A federal appeals court on Wednesday upheld a judge’s ruling that struck down most of an Arkansas law that sought to ban most abortions at 12 weeks or later into a pregnancy.

A three-judge panel of the 8th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals upheld U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright’s March 2014 ruling that certain provisions in Act 301 of 2013, known as the Arkansas Human Heartbeat Protection Act, are unconstitutional.


The Center for Reproductive Rights and the Arkansas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit challenging Act 301 on behalf of two Little Rock doctors who perform abortions.

The 8th Circuit also noted that in the four decades since the Roe v. Wade decision legalized abortion, “scientific advancements have moved the viability point back.”

Judd Deere, spokesman for Rutledge, was asked Wednesday whether Rutledge intended to try to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

“The attorney general is reviewing the opinion from the 8th Circuit and will evaluate how to proceed,” he said.

Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Conway, who sponsored the legislation that became Act 301, said he was disappointed with the ruling.


http://arkansasnews.com/news/arkansas/update-court-12-week-abortion-ban-unconstitutional

 

[Busybody]

First, I think you are misquoting him and quoting him out of context. He did not say the procedure was cool; he said the video itself was a cool and lovely thing. Second, "rape" is a bit strong, unless it is done by insertion in the vagina, which should not be necessary.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-abortion-ultrasounds-cool

"The thing about that, the media tried to make that sound like that was a crazy idea,” Walker said. “Most people I talk to, whether they’re pro-life or not, I find people all the time who’ll get out their iPhone and show me a picture of their grandkids’ ultrasound and how excited they are, so that’s a lovely thing. I think about my sons who are 19 and 20, and we still have their first ultrasounds. It’s just a cool thing out there.”

Third, I agree that ultrasounds should not be required, once the girl or woman has decided to get an abortion. They just cause a delay, make the process more expensive and require a wait before the AB can be done. I don't know exactly, but I a pretty sure most AB are done before anything would show up on an ultrasound.

isnt it cute how they can just make THINGS UP!

 

[Busybody]

Lovely

Glory in KILLING BABIES


and yet

They think an ULTRA SOUND to show the LIVE BABY before its MURDERED is evil


Sick: Abortion Worker “Proud” Of Job Where “Tiny Arms and Legs” Float In “Baking Pans”…

babyhand

You’ve got to be disturbed to a whole other level to be proud of something like this.

Via Newsbusters:

If you want to learn how horrendous abortion is, go straight to the source: abortion clinic workers with a media platform.

In a May 24 story for Salon, Florida-based writer Amy Beeman wrote that “Working at an abortion clinic challenged my pro-choice views — and confirmed them.” In her piece, she wrote about her former job at a “women’s clinic” where she first saw “tiny arms and legs floating” in a pan. As time passed, she embraced her work’s mission of “removing unwanted growth” to learn the “bonds between all women” and discover that “grace can be found in the unlikeliest of places.”

During the first abortion Beeman witnessed, on a “young, petite blond,” Beeman’s trainer, an assistant, and the doctor “chatted” about “weekend plans, “The girl was quiet and kept her wide eyes fixed on the ceiling,” Beeman observed. “Before long the girl began crying out in pain as he did his work between her legs.”

Unabashed, Beeman continued her account of the “procedure” that “pulls the embryo from the uterus.”

“She was moving around a bit as if her body was rejecting the pain and discomfort and the doctor and assistant told her in serious tones that she needed to be still,” she said of the woman. With the vacuum turned on, “[t]he sucking noises during the aspiration sounded much like when they suck your spit at the dentist.”

“The girl lay still, sobbing softly,” she finished. Afterwards, the assistant, Beeman said, “made a point to show me the tiny arms and legs floating in the glass baking pan.”

 

[Busybody]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGEEY3cUsAAaiO-.jpg

destined for MURDER by the

LIBZ

PROGZ

DUMZ

 

[Busybody]

Sick: Abortionists Have Killed More Americans Than Lived In U.S. In 1880…

Planned Parenthood

But don’t worry, they are still “doctors.”

(CNSNews.com) – The number of American babies who have been aborted in the years since the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision has already exceeded the entire population of the United States as recorded in the 1880 Census.

This is according to numbers published by the U.S. Census Bureau and the Guttmacher Institute.

In 1880, according to the Census Bureau, there were 50,189,209 people in the United States. These included, the Census Bureau notes, Mark Twain, who had not yet written The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn; Thomas Edison, who would start his electrical company two years later; and Booker T. Washington, who would open the Tuskegee Institute the next year.

The Guttmacher Institute has estimated the number of abortions in the United States in each year from 1973 through 2011. They add up to 51,376,750—or 1,187,541 more than the entire population of the nation as of 1880. In each of the last 36 straight years for which Guttmacher has published an estimate of the number of abortions, the number has exceeded 1 million.

 

[Busybody]

SO MUCH FOR “MY BODY, MY CHOICE:” Report: NYC Cops Arrested Men for ‘Manspreading’ on the Subway.

 

[Boxlicker101]

SO MUCH FOR “MY BODY, MY CHOICE:” Report: NYC Cops Arrested Men for ‘Manspreading’ on the Subway.

I'd never heard of that expression before, although I have seen it done on busses, usually at night when somebody wants the seat to himself or herself, although I don't recall ever seeing women doing it. If the bus is not crowded, it is no big deal. I have never seen it on BART, but I have usually ridden that during commute hours when people are considerate enough of their fellow passengers to refrain from the practice.

I don't know why it has that sexist name because women do it too, although possibly not deliberately. I have seen women with such big asses (and a few men too) they take up the whole double seat just by sitting.

This might be detail on the arrest: http://jezebel.com/at-least-two-subway-riders-have-been-arrested-for-man-s-1707543734

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

It is not hard to feel yourself to be superior, if you stand on top of a pedestal built of people that you consider "beneath someone of your social standing, wealth, position, and "achievements."


http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

 

[about_average]

But Democratic state Sen. Kirk Watson of Austin, who spoke in opposition to the bill and questioned Perry for almost an hour, challenged the ID requirement altogether.

“I can't think of another instance where we presume women are children,” Watson said. “I certainly can’t think of any situation where we presume a man is a child.”

He must not drink. There are a lot of places in the US where you can't buy a beer without an ID.

 

[LadyVer]

It is not hard to feel yourself to be superior, if you stand on top of a pedestal built of people you that consider "beneath someone of your social standing, wealth, position, and "achievements."

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

Reminds me of a few billionaires a while back whining publicly about only the wealthy working hard and being misunderstood. I used to work for one of them. His chefs, bodyguards, and assistants did most of the hard work. His work was talking people out of their money and laying people off when his expenses increased.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gotsnowgotslush View Post

But Democratic state Sen. Kirk Watson of Austin, who spoke in opposition to the bill and questioned Perry for almost an hour, challenged the ID requirement altogether.

“I can't think of another instance where we presume women are children,” Watson said. “I certainly can’t think of any situation where we presume a man is a child.”

He must not drink. There are a lot of places in the US where you can't buy a beer without an ID.

Cigarettes too. I remember being in line behind a woman who was buying some in a store. She was about fifty years old, but the clerk carded her. When it was my turn, I asked if they carded everybody, and he said they did, and that if I were buying tobacco they would ask me to prove my age. What little hair I had was gray then, but I was mostly bald, and obviously an adult, but I would have been asked to prove it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He must not drink. There are a lot of places in the US where you can't buy a beer without an ID.

To both you and Boxi. Let me start with this. As long as ID's are free, easy to get and once you have them you can vote where you please (since it's an electronic system you swipe it or run the numbers) I got no problem with going to ID. I think it's kinda crazy we don't, but I think it's insane we don't have National IDs. We're really a backwards nation.

That said you're examples don't hold up. Voting is considered a right in this country. Drinking and smoking are not. It's the same argument that the right likes to use about why we can't put even the most basic of training protocols in place on guns but we can on cars. Because the right to move around isn't actually a right but the right to own a gun is. Don't like it? Neither do I, in either case but I'm powerless to fix it if we're not going to get 75% of the states to jump on board.

Reminds me of a few billionaires a while back whining publicly about only the wealthy working hard and being misunderstood. I used to work for one of them. His chefs, bodyguards, and assistants did most of the hard work. His work was talking people out of their money and laying people off when his expenses increased.

Yep.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Scott Walker mansplains about how victims feel about being forced to bring a rape or incest fetus to term

Jun 3, 2015

Gov. Scott Walker said Monday he will sign a proposed 20-week abortion ban whether or not it includes an exemption for cases of rape or incest.


“I mean, I think for most people who are concerned about that, it’s in the initial months where they’re most concerned about it,” Walker said of pregnancies caused by rape and incest.

“In this case, again, it’s an unborn life, it’s an unborn child and that’s why we feel strongly about it,” Walker said. “I’m prepared to sign it either way that they send it to us.”

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/sl...ng-forced-to-give-birth-to-their-rapists-baby

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...xemptions-for-rape-incest-20150601-story.html

Under the Republican-authored bill, doctors who perform an abortion after 20 weeks in nonemergency situations could be charged with a felony and subject to up to $10,000 in fines or 3½ years in prison.


The fetus gets the best chance to survive, and the woman is given second best chance to come out of the situation alive, because God/ god and or Jesus the Christ...

 

[about_average]

To both you and Boxi. Let me start with this. As long as ID's are free, easy to get and once you have them you can vote where you please (since it's an electronic system you swipe it or run the numbers) I got no problem with going to ID. I think it's kinda crazy we don't, but I think it's insane we don't have National IDs. We're really a backwards nation.

That said you're examples don't hold up. Voting is considered a right in this country. Drinking and smoking are not. It's the same argument that the right likes to use about why we can't put even the most basic of training protocols in place on guns but we can on cars. Because the right to move around isn't actually a right but the right to own a gun is. Don't like it? Neither do I, in either case but I'm powerless to fix it if we're not going to get 75% of the states to jump on board.



Yep.

I think you misread post #26, which the quote snippet I used is from.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Renaud View Post

To both you and Boxi. Let me start with this. As long as ID's are free, easy to get and once you have them you can vote where you please (since it's an electronic system you swipe it or run the numbers) I got no problem with going to ID. I think it's kinda crazy we don't, but I think it's insane we don't have National IDs. We're really a backwards nation.

That said you're examples don't hold up. Voting is considered a right in this country. Drinking and smoking are not. It's the same argument that the right likes to use about why we can't put even the most basic of training protocols in place on guns but we can on cars. Because the right to move around isn't actually a right but the right to own a gun is. Don't like it? Neither do I, in either case but I'm powerless to fix it if we're not going to get 75% of the states to jump on board.

I think you misread post #26, which the quote snippet I used is from.

I cited the same post, and it has nothing to do with voting. BTW, I agree with you about voting ID.

 

[Sean Renaud]

My bust. I saw the part about drinking and cigarettes and my brain engaged response alpha because nobody ever brings that up for any other reason. Like ever.

My bad. Happens.

 

[LadyVer]

Scott Walker mansplains about how victims feel about being forced to bring a rape or incest fetus to term

Jun 3, 2015

Gov. Scott Walker said Monday he will sign a proposed 20-week abortion ban whether or not it includes an exemption for cases of rape or incest.

“I mean, I think for most people who are concerned about that, it’s in the initial months where they’re most concerned about it,” Walker said of pregnancies caused by rape and incest.

“In this case, again, it’s an unborn life, it’s an unborn child and that’s why we feel strongly about it,” Walker said. “I’m prepared to sign it either way that they send it to us.”

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/sl...ng-forced-to-give-birth-to-their-rapists-baby

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...xemptions-for-rape-incest-20150601-story.html

Under the Republican-authored bill, doctors who perform an abortion after 20 weeks in nonemergency situations could be charged with a felony and subject to up to $10,000 in fines or 3½ years in prison.


The fetus gets the best chance to survive, and the woman is given second best chance to come out of the situation alive, because God/ god and or Jesus the Christ...

What Walker doesn't get is that a man will never be in the position of being pregnant. And yet, he speaks for women, their reproductive systems, and their lives. Women have abortions for a lot of reasons. What women will do, and are doing, especially the poor, is go back alley to do what they need to do. Whether it's buying or finding abortifacients to take at home, or going to someone who will provide an abortion, which is what women were doing for thousands of years before Roe vs. Wade.