Abortion clarified

[BrightShinyGirl]

Well, I have my strong opinions and commentary on both those ideas, but perhaps another time.

Oh absolutely. The left has gone batshit crazy about abortion as far as I'm concerned, and they have extremely weak arguments/positions on the issue overall. And that's with me being mostly on their side, though not quite down the same path they take.

That said, the Right is also guilty of some very flawed and even disingenuous arguments on the issue as well.

Though in current times, I always expect a much more civil and rational debate from the Right, whereas the left tends to break down quickly and go straight to emotional and heated mode.

The rational position is to let adults make healthcare decisions about their own bodies.

 

[TastySuckToy]

All you have to do is get into a conversation with the likes of Adrina, Laz, BnF2, Roarbags and a few others and watch the ADHOM fly. lol

Ya, exactly. And my position is that a woman can literally terminate a pregnancy at any time for any reason, without exception or hindrance.

But I still get lumped in as a supposed 'woman controlling and hating conservative'.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Ya, exactly. And my position is that a woman can literally terminate a pregnancy at any time for any reason, without exception or hindrance.

But I still get lumped in as a supposed 'woman controlling and hating conservative'.

Do you support scrapping all existing abortion laws and leaving the choice up to pregnant women?

 

[TrailerHitch]

Do you support scrapping all existing abortion laws and leaving the choice up to pregnant women?

How about putting as much effort into changing the law in states that banned abortion as you do whining about it here. Nothing will change by your pontificating here on this or any other topic. Add to that almost everyone that posts here has their mind made up before they ever turn their computer on and that is why most topics turn into playground battles of insults.

 

[TastySuckToy]

The rational position is to let adults make healthcare decisions about their own bodies.

I absolutely agree, hence why I'm a vocal opponent to things like vaccine mandates.

As to the issue of abortion, I've repeatedly stated my position that a woman can terminate a pregnancy at any time, for any reason, without exception. This absolutely satisfies the bodily autonomy argument, and I defend it on the universal principles of owning one's own body and no one has the right to anyone else's body to sustain their own life.

Where I seem to differ from a lot of leftists is that I don't agree killing the fetus/baby is a requirement to meet that principle. If at all possible, remove the fetus/baby as safely as possible without harming or killing it, assuming reasonable viability and a time frame around 25 weeks. 25 weeks being the point at which a human brain has been formed and begins to start functioning. It's at that point I begin to assert we're dealing with a human being, not something that is simply alive and human.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Do you support scrapping all existing abortion laws and leaving the choice up to pregnant women?

Yes, with one caveat: the law is that every attempt will be made to preserve the life and well being of the fetus/baby as well, assuming reasonable viability and being roughly around the 25 week mark.

 

[tedsbeds]

To which adrina has strongly proposed a completely workable and easy solution: women don't have sex!

Can't deny the logic of her solution, and I'm rather impressed she's finally conceded women don't lose choice even if abortion is outright banned.

No woman can have sex, just with each other.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ya, exactly. And my position is that a woman can literally terminate a pregnancy at any time for any reason, without exception or hindrance.

But I still get lumped in as a supposed 'woman controlling and hating conservative'.

My point once again is that before a woman decides for abortion just make sure she's aware of all the other options available. Pro choice don't consider other options as a viable choice. Abortion is more of a cultist manifestation rather than a required medical procedure. Most intelligent people don't believe in an abortion ban. But it's not helpful to call a hysterical person hysterical.

 

[Lazaran]

All you have to do is get into a conversation with the likes of Adrina, Laz, BnF2, Roarbags and a few others and watch the ADHOM fly. lol

ineedhelp1, etc, voted for the king of “ADHOM” for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, but their fee-fees are hurt when others use the same level of adhom to make a point about their hypocrisy and their lack of morals and conscience.

ineedhelp1 is one impossibly slow and stupid POS.

Hope that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

 

[TastySuckToy]

My point once again is that before a woman decides for abortion just make sure she's aware of all the other options available.

A position I absolutely agree with and support.

 

[HisArpy]

It's fucking sarcasm dopey.

Apparently he doesn't know it's a real thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_on_Waves

 

[Lazaran]

My point once again is that before a woman decides for abortion just make sure she's aware of all the other options available. Pro choice don't consider other options as a viable choice. Abortion is more of a cultist manifestation rather than a required medical procedure. Most intelligent people don't believe in an abortion ban. But it's not helpful to call a hysterical person hysterical.

Everyone should read this ^ post.

JFC

ineedhelp1 is one impossibly stupid and intellectually dishonest POS.



ineedhelp1

 

[icanhelp1]

Everyone should read this ^ post.

JFC

ineedhelp1 is one impossibly stupid and intellectually dishonest POS.



ineedhelp1

Speaking of a hysterical person, right on time!

 

[TastySuckToy]

Speaking of a hysterical person, right on time!

You committed the crime of not being part of his group think.

 

[Lazaran]

You committed the crime of not being part of his group think.

Read ineedhelp1’s post that was referenced (post #158), and then honestly comment on the content of said post.

We’ll wait.



NastyFuckBoy

 

[TastySuckToy]

Read ineedhelp1’s post that was referenced (post #158), and then honestly comment on the content of said post.

We’ll wait.

You're so stupid you can't even check to see if I replied to that post already, which I did in the second post below it.

Please tell me you're trying to be that dumb.

 

[YDB95]

The problem with you is that you can’t except a court decision if it disagrees with your ideology.

You mean like your side refused to accept Roe for 50 years?

Trump’s appointments to the court was not the deciding factor, the constitution was.

Wrong. Roe laid out the rationale for an implied right to privacy. No matter how much you hate it, that doesn't make it incorrect.

 

[YDB95]

What I find is that pro choice are much more likely to radicalize against pro-lifers, sometimes to the point of violence.

When was the last time a Birthright clinic was firebombed? Or an anti-choice leader was murdered in his church (or anywhere else for that matter)?

 

[Lazaran]

You're so stupid you can't even check to see if I replied to that post already, which I did in the second post below it.

Please tell me you're trying to be that dumb.

NastyFuckBoy responded to a tiny portion of the content in ineedhelp1’s post #158, and did NOT honestly comment on the ENTIRE content of said post. (Especially the glaringly dishonest and stupid portion of said post.)



NastyFuckBoy

 

[Lazaran]

You mean like your side refused to accept Roe for 50 years?

Wrong. Roe laid out the rationale for an implied right to privacy. No matter how much you hate it, that doesn't make it incorrect.

They will never see their dishonesty or their hypocrisy.

A bunch of brainwashed cultists.

I literally hate them.

No apologies.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Despite left wing rantings I still stand by my original post.

BIRTH CONTROL, it's your body take control of your own Birth Control. In addition to what you are doing make your male sex partner wear a condom. Unless your method, and the condom failed, pregnancy cannot happen.

The other option is DON"T HAVE SEX, pregnancy cannot occur without sex, artificial insemination not included here. Frankly I think that's the best option we have too many liberals already.

 

[icanhelp1]

You mean like your side refused to accept Roe for 50 years? Wrong. Roe laid out the rationale for an implied right to privacy. No matter how much you hate it, that doesn't make it incorrect.

You mean like your side refused to accept Roe for 50 years? Wrong. Roe laid out the rationale for an implied right to privacy. No matter how much you hate it, that doesn't make it incorrect.

It's not the courts place to legislate law. If it was so important to make law then why didn't congress legislate. You're wrong! You're side insisted it was settled law, they were wrong.

atter how much you hate it, that doesn't make it incorrect.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The abortion debate is kind of strange. For over 50 years it was never codified into law at the federal level. Obama had the house and senate for part of his time as president and never made a move to make it law. WHY? Simple he knew it would alienate some democrat voters, perhaps even a majority. Kamala made abortion her major campaign issue and that's not what most people cared about. They cared about inflation, higher gas prices, higher food prices, higher cost to heat their homes, illegal immigration with the accompanying violent crime and drug trafficking. Let's face it abortion is a niche issue.

 

[icanhelp1]

When was the last time a Birthright clinic was firebombed? Or an anti-choice leader was murdered in his church (or anywhere else for that matter)?

We can go tit for tat all night. Both sides showed a propensity for violence. I never defended violence on either side.

https://www.catholicleague.org/pro-abortion-protesters-turn-violent/

June 24, 2022—Pro-abortion radicals attacked Life Choices, a crisis pregnancy center in Longmont, Colorado, causing fire and smoke damage. Additionally, the radicals spray painted “Bans off our bodies” and “If abortions aren’t safe neither are you” on the clinic.

June 24, 2022—Pro-abortion radicals spray painted “Pro Choice,” “Separation [sic] Btwn Church + State,” and “Keep Yu [sic] Laws Off My Body” on Guardian Angel Church in Brooklyn, New York.

June 24, 2022—Pro-abortion radicals defaced a statue and sanctuary dedicated to the unborn victims of abortion at the Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church in Algiers, Louisiana.

June 25, 2022—A pro-abortion mob of about 100 people damaged Mother + Child Education Center, a crisis pregnancy clinic, and several other businesses and vehicles in Portland, Oregon.

June 25, 2022— Pro-abortion radicals affiliated with Jane’s Revenge, a domestic terrorist network which uses violence to promote abortions, spray painted “Your time is up” and “We’re coming for U” on LifeChoice Pregnancy Center in Winter Haven, Florida.

June 25, 2022— Pro-abortion radicals affiliated with Jane’s Revenge broke several windows and spray painted the Tree of Life Pregnancy Center in Paso Robles, California.

June 25, 2022— Pro-abortion radicals broke windows and spray painted “If abortion aint safe you aint safe” on Blue Ridge Pregnancy Center in Lynchburg, Virginia.

June 25, 2022— Pro-abortion radicals caused nearly $30,000 in damages by breaking seven stained glassed windows and stealing money from several collection boxes at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Renton, Washington.

June 25, 2022— Pro-abortion radicals vandalized a memorial cross for aborted babies in South Bend, Indiana.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I absolutely agree, hence why I'm a vocal opponent to things like vaccine mandates.

As to the issue of abortion, I've repeatedly stated my position that a woman can terminate a pregnancy at any time, for any reason, without exception. This absolutely satisfies the bodily autonomy argument, and I defend it on the universal principles of owning one's own body and no one has the right to anyone else's body to sustain their own life.

Where I seem to differ from a lot of leftists is that I don't agree killing the fetus/baby is a requirement to meet that principle. If at all possible, remove the fetus/baby as safely as possible without harming or killing it, assuming reasonable viability and a time frame around 25 weeks. 25 weeks being the point at which a human brain has been formed and begins to start functioning. It's at that point I begin to assert we're dealing with a human being, not something that is simply alive and human.

Who pays for life support for these minimally viable fetuses?