Abortion Rights in Former Slave States

[Boxlicker101]

YDB95 writes: "Seriously, Dumpington, have you ever even heard of an elective late term abortion?"

You will loyally support WHATEVER the abortion-industry providers ask for, including infanticide - just so long as they give it a nice-sounding name! The Nazi Germans, for example, didn't use the word "Holocaust" - far too brutal - and so they instead called their systematic murder of six-million Jews "the Final Solution!"

And the folks at Planned Parenthood did NOT want to admit to being "PRO-ABORTION" - as that phrase just sounded way too horrific - and so instead they came up with the much nicer-sounding "pro-choice" moniker.

"It was a clear sign that even if the Republicans succeed in making The Handmaid's Tale come true elsewhere, it won't be happening in NY."

That's an EXCELLENT example of somebody writing a story designed to make murdering unborn babies appear to be a POSITIVE THING for our society, YDB95! Yes, infanticide can actually be made to appear like something that's empowering to women, can't it?

"No, Dumpington. He was talking about a hypothetical example..."

Maybe you can write a pleasant little book titled "The Handmaid's Tale II" - all about Virginia's Democratic Party governor Northam delivering a baby and then discussing with the mother how they'll let it die of exposure on a mountainside. And it can be all about empowering women!

"He was an active member of his local Christian Coalition chapter. That does sound an awful lot like you, whether you like it or not! Think about it."

And what's THAT got to do with her murdering her two small children? I don't care if he was the former vice-president of the United States under Barack Obama, and he used to smell her hair at night while fondling her! Susan Smith took the lives of two innocent little kids - and WITHOUT the services of Planned Parenthood!

"...obsessed with ending abortion."

And there were people in Europe during the Nazi occupation who were "obsessed with saving the lives of Jews!"

"Do you have any idea how distasteful it sounds the way you talk about RBG as if she's already dead?"

WHO SAYS that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has to die? Brett Kavanaugh replaced a STILL-LIVING Justice Anthony Kennedy in the summer of '18! Why must you focus on DEATH all of the time time? Could it be because of your ongoing enthusiastic support of late-term abortion?

"I'm Catholic and I sure as heck don't agree with the Pope on everything."

I'm Catholic, too - a pro-life Catholic - and it's not like the church only began opposing abortion after Francis became Pope! By the way, the ONLY reason why Pelosi, Biden, Tim Kaine, and the many other pro-abortion Catholic Democrats still call themselves Catholics is to attract Catholic-votes at election time. They all abandoned the church several decades ago!

"Yes, and I'll be damn glad to see him go. That's a Democratic district, it ought to elect a real Democrat."

Thank you for ADMITTING that Planned Parenthood & the abortion-providers OWN the modern Democratic Party, hook, line, & sinker!

"Well, I can't deny you're an expert on what's happening inside the progressive movement, Dump. You've got me there."

I'm going to ask you AGAIN: why not have one UNI-SEX athletics team for every sport - where men, women, & transgendered guys can all compete together? I know it's a terrible idea, but I want to hear why YOU think it is! You can't be honest here without admitting that you're either a hypocrite or full of sh*t!

What you suggest would be contrary to federal law, like it or not. I believe the law is known as Title Nine. Having a single athletic team for men and women would eliminate most women's sports because, with some exceptions, women cannot complete with men on the same level. The exceptions would include diving, figure skating and gymnastics.

For example: Stanford and Tennessee U. have two of the best women's basketball teams in the country. Both schools also have men's basketball, and the men would mop up the court with the women if they ever played against them. The difference is even more pronounced in the WNBA and the NBA.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Seriously, Dumpington, have you ever even heard of an elective late term abortion?"

You will loyally support WHATEVER the abortion-industry providers ask for, including infanticide - just so long as they give it a nice-sounding name! The Nazi Germans, for example, didn't use the word "Holocaust" - far too brutal - and so they instead called their systematic murder of six-million Jews "the Final Solution!"

I'll take that as a tacit admission that, no, you've never heard of a woman getting eight months into her pregnancy and suddenly deciding to abort. Neither has anyone else, because it simply doesn't happen. You're entitled to your opinion about abortion, but you really ought to try to educate yourself about it at least.

And the folks at Planned Parenthood did NOT want to admit to being "PRO-ABORTION" - as that phrase just sounded way too horrific - and so instead they came up with the much nicer-sounding "pro-choice" moniker.

I could say the same thing about "pro-life", which is a gross misnomer to boot. But the thing is, no one is "pro-abortion". What we are in favor of is a woman's right to make that decision for herself, because it's HER body, not ours and certainly not the government's. That is why we say "pro-choice".

"It was a clear sign that even if the Republicans succeed in making The Handmaid's Tale come true elsewhere, it won't be happening in NY."

That's an EXCELLENT example of somebody writing a story designed to make murdering unborn babies appear to be a POSITIVE THING for our society, YDB95! Yes, infanticide can actually be made to appear like something that's empowering to women, can't it?

No, not in any way I can think of. But since no one except you is talking about legalizing infanticide, the point is moot.

"No, Dumpington. He was talking about a hypothetical example..."

Maybe you can write a pleasant little book titled "The Handmaid's Tale II" - all about Virginia's Democratic Party governor Northam delivering a baby and then discussing with the mother how they'll let it die of exposure on a mountainside. And it can be all about empowering women!

If I were going to do that, I would most likely just string together all your commentary on that one little quote, which you've pulled so far out of its context that the rest of us could be forgiven if we never even knew it had any.

"He was an active member of his local Christian Coalition chapter. That does sound an awful lot like you, whether you like it or not! Think about it."

And what's THAT got to do with her murdering her two small children?

Ask Newt Gingrich. He's the one who brought politics into the mix in the first place.

"...obsessed with ending abortion."

And there were people in Europe during the Nazi occupation who were "obsessed with saving the lives of Jews!"

The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another, unless you factor in the fact that abortion was banned in Nazi Germany.

"Do you have any idea how distasteful it sounds the way you talk about RBG as if she's already dead?"

WHO SAYS that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has to die? Brett Kavanaugh replaced a STILL-LIVING Justice Anthony Kennedy in the summer of '18! Why must you focus on DEATH all of the time time? Could it be because of your ongoing enthusiastic support of late-term abortion?

No. It could be because no one who knows anything whatsoever about RBG expects her to retire before the next election. Since you've been referring constantly to the inevitability that Trump will appoint her replacement, that only leaves one possibility.

"I'm Catholic and I sure as heck don't agree with the Pope on everything."

I'm Catholic, too - a pro-life Catholic - and it's not like the church only began opposing abortion after Francis became Pope!

No, but they did come to it later than you might think.

By the way, the ONLY reason why Pelosi, Biden, Tim Kaine, and the many other pro-abortion Catholic Democrats still call themselves Catholics is to attract Catholic-votes at election time. They all abandoned the church several decades ago!

For all our differences, Dump, I've really got to hand it to you: you've done a remarkable job of reading the minds of people you despise. How do you do that?

"Yes, and I'll be damn glad to see him go. That's a Democratic district, it ought to elect a real Democrat."

Thank you for ADMITTING that Planned Parenthood & the abortion-providers OWN the modern Democratic Party, hook, line, & sinker!

Or we just want a Democratic district represented by a Democrat. Shame on us.

"Well, I can't deny you're an expert on what's happening inside the progressive movement, Dump. You've got me there."

I'm going to ask you AGAIN: why not have one UNI-SEX athletics team for every sport - where men, women, & transgendered guys can all compete together? I know it's a terrible idea, but I want to hear why YOU think it is! You can't be honest here without admitting that you're either a hypocrite or full of sh*t!

Or that absolutely no one has ever suggested that in the first place. (Not to mention it was your end of the political spectrum that fought tooth and nail against Title IX in the first place. So whatever your feelings about women's sports, they wouldn't exist as we know them today if not for the liberal Democrats who supported that legislation back in the sixties and seventies.

 

[Dumpington]

Boxlicker101 writes: "Having a single athletic tea for men and women would eliminate most women's sports because, with some exceptions, women cannot complete with men on the same level. The exceptions would include diving, figure skating and gymnastics."

I fully agree. Women's bodies are not big enough, strong enough, or fast enough to compete with those of men in most sports. Your three exceptions are valid, as well - although men's gymnastics includes events (like the rings) where women wouldn't stand a chance!

At the OLYMPIC level, the ONLY sport I'm aware of where men & women compete directly with one another are EQUESTRIAN competitions, as everybody in those events is riding a horse.

"Stanford and Tennessee U. have two of the best women's basketball teams in the country. Both schools also have men's basketball, and the men would mop up the court with the women if they ever played against them. The difference is even more pronounced in the WNBA and the NBA."

Exactly right. But let's say that a player on the University of Tennessee MEN'S basketball never gets into any games, and instead finds himself sitting on the bench for an entire season. But then, over the summer he decides that he's REALLY a girl, and when he returns to school that autumn he's changed his name & grown his hair, and then he tries out for the Tennessee WOMEN'S TEAM! Not only does he make the squad, but he's a STARTER, and is quickly recognized as the best "female" player in the entire Southeastern Conference! And when the Vols play Stanford in the NCAA Tournament finals, his size, speed, & strength make him virtually unstoppable!

Would YDB95 cheer for this player as a profile in courage, or might he see this player as somebody helping to DESTROY college women's athletics with this modern-day version of twisted political-correctness? And DON'T say it will never happen because it already HAS - at the NCAA Division II women's track & field championships help late last month in Kingsville, Texas!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "You're entitled to your opinion about abortion, but you really ought to try to educate yourself about it at least."

You're pointing at something horrific, and then urging me the "educate" myself about it before bring critical. That's akin to me urging you to stop being so critical about what went on at Auschwitz until you've "educated yourself" more about it (as if that's somehow going to change your initial impressions!)

"I could say the same thing about "pro-life", which is a gross misnomer to boot."

And HOW EXACTLY is "pro-life" a gross misnomer? Some liberals like to argue that you CAN'T be pro-life unless you're ALSO pro-socialist - which is CLEARLY a gross misnomer! In any case. if somebody calls me "anti-abortion" I don't flinch and says that's not it at all - whereas pro-abortion "pro-choicers" often claim to be opposed to the horrific reality that is abortion, before then saying that they only support a woman's right to CHOOSE the grisly death of the unborn child living in her womb!

"But since no one except you is talking about legalizing infanticide, the point is moot."

Yes, right now you're insisting that you will NEVER support legalized infanticide - but, down the road, when Planned Parenthood & the abortion-industry comes up with some new phrase to describe terminating the lives of newborn babies to "benefit mankind" you will quickly acquiesce to whatever is politically correct. By now, YDB95, I know your type. Watch & see if I'm not right (as it WILL happen someday!)

"Ask Newt Gingrich. He's the one who brought politics into the mix in the first place."

So NOW you're saying that Newt Gingrich somehow played a role in Susan Smith's drowning her two young children? Wow!

"The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another, unless you factor in the fact that abortion was banned in Nazi Germany."

Hitler wanted ONLY white Aryan women to have children, and ONLY if those children had white Aryan fathers - but NO, Hitler & his Nazis were in NO WAYS "pro-life!" Nazi Germany was ALL ABOUT killing babies that were in any ways racially mixed! And yes, Hitler would have LOVED Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger and her idea of using abortion to destroy all "racially inferior species" from ever being born!

"Since you've been referring constantly to the inevitability that Trump will appoint her replacement, that only leaves one possibility."

Ruth Bader-Ginsburg is currently 86-years old! Justice Anthony Kennedy retired last year at the age of 82! But since you appear to be overly sensitive about Judge Ginsburg's leaving, why not instead talk about Stephen Breyer retiring (at age 80)? Or perhaps Sonia Sotomayor (who turns 65 later this month) or even Elena Kagan (who just turned 59) would like to leave and pursue other activities? I would wholeheartedly support their moving on to greener pastures, and would very much look forward to President Trump replacing any one of them with qualified candidates acceptable to our U.S. Senate, and I trust you'd feel the same way!

"No, but they did come to it later than you might think."

The U.S.A. didn't come to the full realization that slavery was evil until 1865, but that didn't mean that it was EVER a great thing!

"Or we just want a Democratic district represented by a Democrat. Shame on us."

Congressman Lipinski campaigned and ran as a pro-life Democrat, and he WON his seat on the U.S. House of Representatives as such! But now Planned Parenthood and the abortion-providers are ordering the Democratic Party to abandon him, and the Dems have clicked their heels together and rushed to obey!

"So whatever your feelings about women's sports, they wouldn't exist as we know them today if not for the liberal Democrats who supported that legislation back in the sixties and seventies."

The modern Democratic Party is BETRAYING its feminist allies by endorsing transgendered men competing in (and winning) competitions designed exclusively for WOMEN-ONLY! No doubt some liberal feminists will swallow their collective outrage and play along, but you KNOW that a great majority of them find this entirely unacceptable, and in the end it's only going to WEAKEN women's support of Democratic Party candidates nationwide!

 

[badbabysitter]

Hitler wanted ONLY white Aryan women to have children, and ONLY if those children had white Aryan fathers - but NO, Hitler & his Nazis were in NO WAYS "pro-life!" Nazi Germany was ALL ABOUT killing babies that were in any ways racially mixed! And yes, Hitler would have LOVED Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger and her idea of using abortion to destroy all "racially inferior species" from ever being born!

Not only was abortion banned in Nazi Germany, Margaret Sangers books on birth control were some of the very first books that were burned. She also personally sponsored many folks fleeing the Nazis

Her infamous " KKK rally" was anything but that. She was invited to speak on birth control once to a group of KKK men and women. She would describe it as one of the weirdest experiences in her life, in how she had to use the most basic of terms and felt as if she was explaining sex to children. She was invited back, but refused

She had a policy of hiring as many African American staff members in her cliics, and would tolerate no prejudice at the sites, often firing white employees for doing just that.

Racist is a term used to sling mud at her for two things

...one was her pre WW2 endorsement of eugenics ( though hers was based in the belief behaviour was genetic), which she abandoned with the rise of the Nazis.. oddly enough people like Churchill were legendary eugenics fans and are never judged

the second being one line in a paragraph in a letter on how she did not want her services to be perceived by the black community... this of course hasnt stopped low iq anti-choice mouth breathers from using it as their smoking gun


On other notes, Sanger was personally opposed to abortion but saw it as a medical issue and not a moral one

In addition she was given an award by MLK for her service to the black comunity, which is somehow also never mentioned by the anti-choice crowd

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "You're entitled to your opinion about abortion, but you really ought to try to educate yourself about it at least."

You're pointing at something horrific, and then urging me the "educate" myself about it before bring critical.

That's because, no matter how awful a late term abortion may be in reality, your characterizations of the whole situation are wildly off-base. Which I suspect is the whole point.

That's akin to me urging you to stop being so critical about what went on at Auschwitz until you've "educated yourself" more about it (as if that's somehow going to change your initial impressions!)

Factual accuracy matters, Dump. The truth about Auschwitz is indeed horrific. The reality about late-term abortion is that it only ever happens when absolutely necessary and the only alternative is infertility or death. There has NEVER been a case of a woman simply changing her mind at the last minute. That just isn't how it works.

"I could say the same thing about "pro-life", which is a gross misnomer to boot."

And HOW EXACTLY is "pro-life" a gross misnomer?

Because they don't care in the least about quality of life for the mother or the baby. All they care about is, by god, she IS going to give birth come hell or high water.

Some liberals like to argue that you CAN'T be pro-life unless you're ALSO pro-socialist - which is CLEARLY a gross misnomer!

And just who are these liberals?

In any case. if somebody calls me "anti-abortion" I don't flinch and says that's not it at all - whereas pro-abortion "pro-choicers" often claim to be opposed to the horrific reality that is abortion, before then saying that they only support a woman's right to CHOOSE the grisly death of the unborn child living in her womb!

If you don't like it, you ought to take steps to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. That means better and more affordable birth control and no roadblocks to getting it, comprehensive sex education in schools - and also accepting the reality that accidents do happen and it's not your place to force anyone to pay for it with a baby they don't want.

"But since no one except you is talking about legalizing infanticide, the point is moot."

Yes, right now you're insisting that you will NEVER support legalized infanticide - but, down the road, when Planned Parenthood & the abortion-industry comes up with some new phrase to describe terminating the lives of newborn babies to "benefit mankind" you will quickly acquiesce to whatever is politically correct. By now, YDB95, I know your type. Watch & see if I'm not right (as it WILL happen someday!)

Wow. I already knew you had a thing for outright dehumanizing your opponents because you just can't grasp that other people see things differently, but this...wow.

Again, Dump, the realities of late-term abortion are nothing like you think. That's why I told you to educate yourself. (As for the Holocaust, you've made it clear several times over that you don't know a whole lot about that either.)

"Ask Newt Gingrich. He's the one who brought politics into the mix in the first place."

So NOW you're saying that Newt Gingrich somehow played a role in Susan Smith's drowning her two young children? Wow!

Nope. Go back and look at my first comment about him. You'll see (if you bother to read it) that's not what I said at all.

"The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another, unless you factor in the fact that abortion was banned in Nazi Germany."

Hitler wanted ONLY white Aryan women to have children, and ONLY if those children had white Aryan fathers - but NO, Hitler & his Nazis were in NO WAYS "pro-life!" Nazi Germany was ALL ABOUT killing babies that were in any ways racially mixed! And yes, Hitler would have LOVED Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger and her idea of using abortion to destroy all "racially inferior species" from ever being born!

BadBabySitter has already covered this one. And so have I in the past. But you're going to believe what you're going to believe. Everyone here knows that!

"Since you've been referring constantly to the inevitability that Trump will appoint her replacement, that only leaves one possibility."

Ruth Bader-Ginsburg is currently 86-years old! Justice Anthony Kennedy retired last year at the age of 82! But since you appear to be overly sensitive about Judge Ginsburg's leaving, why not instead talk about Stephen Breyer retiring (at age 80)? Or perhaps Sonia Sotomayor (who turns 65 later this month) or even Elena Kagan (who just turned 59) would like to leave and pursue other activities? I would wholeheartedly support their moving on to greener pastures, and would very much look forward to President Trump replacing any one of them with qualified candidates acceptable to our U.S. Senate, and I trust you'd feel the same way!

You trust that I would look forward to Der Gropenfuhrer appointing more right-wing Supreme Court justices?! Ermkay...
But my point was, RBG clearly has no intention of retiring. Anyone who knows anything about her knows that (which explains why you don't).

"No, but they did come to it later than you might think."

The U.S.A. didn't come to the full realization that slavery was evil until 1865, but that didn't mean that it was EVER a great thing!

Apples and oranges. Besides, plenty of Americans knew slavery was evil long before the Civil War.

"Or we just want a Democratic district represented by a Democrat. Shame on us."

Congressman Lipinski campaigned and ran as a pro-life Democrat, and he WON his seat on the U.S. House of Representatives as such!

Actually, he got elected on the strength of a party machine and his last name, as his father was a longtime congressman before him.

But now Planned Parenthood and the abortion-providers are ordering the Democratic Party to abandon him, and the Dems have clicked their heels together and rushed to obey!

Nope. We've always wanted Democrats to vote like Democrats. By the way, how many pro-choice Republicans can you name? I mean ones who are currently in office. The only two I can think of are Susan Collins (and her vote for the rapist is going to cost her big time next year) and Lisa Murkowski, who has already been defeated in a Republican primary once.

"So whatever your feelings about women's sports, they wouldn't exist as we know them today if not for the liberal Democrats who supported that legislation back in the sixties and seventies."

The modern Democratic Party is BETRAYING its feminist allies by endorsing transgendered men competing in (and winning) competitions designed exclusively for WOMEN-ONLY! No doubt some liberal feminists will swallow their collective outrage and play along, but you KNOW that a great majority of them find this entirely unacceptable, and in the end it's only going to WEAKEN women's support of Democratic Party candidates nationwide!

Once again you are clearly just predicting what you want to happen. Don't count on it coming true.

Not only was abortion banned in Nazi Germany, Margaret Sangers books on birth control were some of the very first books that were burned. She also personally sponsored many folks fleeing the Nazis

Her infamous " KKK rally" was anything but that. She was invited to speak on birth control once to a group of KKK men and women. She would describe it as one of the weirdest experiences in her life, in how she had to use the most basic of terms and felt as if she was explaining sex to children. She was invited back, but refused

She had a policy of hiring as many African American staff members in her cliics, and would tolerate no prejudice at the sites, often firing white employees for doing just that.

Racist is a term used to sling mud at her for two things

...one was her pre WW2 endorsement of eugenics ( though hers was based in the belief behaviour was genetic), which she abandoned with the rise of the Nazis.. oddly enough people like Churchill were legendary eugenics fans and are never judged

the second being one line in a paragraph in a letter on how she did not want her services to be perceived by the black community... this of course hasnt stopped low iq anti-choice mouth breathers from using it as their smoking gun


On other notes, Sanger was personally opposed to abortion but saw it as a medical issue and not a moral one

In addition she was given an award by MLK for her service to the black comunity, which is somehow also never mentioned by the anti-choice crowd

Well said, thank you! For what it's worth, I've explained most of this to him before...but as you've probably already seen, Dumpington wouldn't know context if it bit him in the face.

 

[bodysong]

Basic Dishonesty of Forced Birth

"The religious right has wanted to talk about the rights
of unborn children for 40 years because unborn children
can never talk back."

"But we can’t let them talk about their concern for life
without asking why that concern is so lacking for people
after they are born."

Full grown women, with their own lives, member of communites,
American citizens. Attacked by old white men, using weapons
constructed by using women's own biology, against them.

It is a war against women.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Basic Dishonesty of Forced Birth

"The religious right has wanted to talk about the rights
of unborn children for 40 years because unborn children
can never talk back."

"But we can’t let them talk about their concern for life
without asking why that concern is so lacking for people
after they are born."

Full grown women, with their own lives, member of communites,
American citizens. Attacked by old white men, using weapons
constructed by using women's own biology, against them.

It is a war against women.

In what way is this concern lacking? Are you saying there are no anti-abortionists who are women or POC?

If so, you would be wrong:
https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

 

[YDB95]

In what way is this concern lacking? Are you saying there are no anti-abortionists who are women or POC?

There are, but that doesn't mean they're lacking in concern.
(You do, I concede, bring up a valid point about how the left tends to bring race into absolutely everything. But that's beside the point.)

 

[bodysong]

If Liberals Want to Change Minds on Abortion,
We Must Understand Why People Oppose It

Katie Herzog

May 15, 2019


The intention of laws like Alabama's is to provoke lawsuits—
which they already have. Not a day after Alabama lawmakers
passed this draconian legislation, the ACLU and other groups
announced they'd be taking the state to court. And if this case
makes its way to the Supreme Court, conservatives are hopeful
it will lead to the overturning to Roe v. Wade now that the bench
is stacked in their favor. Once a Moral Majority fever dream,
the criminalization of abortion is almost within conservative reach.

Liberals are terrified of this possibility, for good reason.

Abortion is a common and essential procedure in women's
health, and it always has been.

According to Gallup's 2018 survey, 71 percent of even pro-life
Americans support abortion if it protects the life of the mother.
Fifty-seven percent support abortion in cases of rape or incest.
This, if liberals want to change pro-life minds—and elect pro-
choice leaders—is where we need to start the conversation,
because this claim that the opponents of abortions are all
misogynistic men or brainwashed women attempting to control
women's bodies isn't just unsupported by the data; it's also not
going to help.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...on-we-must-understand-why-people-are-pro-life

OTOH, there are elected male officials that have concluded
that women should be condemned to die, in giving birth to
something that cannot live, and die in pain and fear, along
with the malformed fetus, or die with the medical condition
that the suffering woman has. As if medical science has not
developed a response to every emergency or crisis.

The opposition is not about medical care, the opposition
is about spending tax-payer money on medical care for
women and their fetus, baby, or child.

They gave money to Christian-based clinic and it was an utter
failure. The funding of Christian clinics was a way to funnel
money to a Christian network, and starve out a legitimate
source of sexual reproduction health care.

The reality of 2019 is the stark dividing line of wealth.

 

[Dumpington]

badbabysitter writes: "On other notes, Sanger was personally opposed to abortion but saw it as a medical issue and not a moral one"

Yes, OF COURSE Margaret Sanger said that she was opposed to abortion - it's a horrific procedure that involves tearing a tiny living unborn baby apart inside its mother's womb! Pro-abortion people call themselves "pro-choice" because saying you're "pro-abortion" almost sounds like you're pro-Nazi! And even the Nazis understood the importance of marketing, as they called the Holocaust "the Final Solution" (which, like "pro-choice," just sounds so much nicer!)

The film "Unplanned" does an excellent job of showing how actually witnessing an abortion being performed turned a young woman named Abby Johnson into a pro-lifer almost overnight! Abby was one of the youngest directors of a Planned Parenthood clinic in the U.S. until that fateful day when she actually watched a baby's life being terminated, at which point she said good-bye to the abortion industry altogether! Planned Parenthood sued her for allegedly leaking confidential information about their operations, but Abby WON that case and joined the pro-life cause, where she works to this day!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "The truth about Auschwitz is indeed horrific. The reality about late-term abortion is that it only ever happens when absolutely necessary and the only alternative is infertility or death. There has NEVER been a case of a woman simply changing her mind at the last minute. That just isn't how it works."

I'm glad that we can at least agree that Auschwitz was a terrible place where the value of human life had no meaning. And I should add that if congress was ever debating a bill prohibiting abortion to those women changing their minds at the last minute (which you claim NEVER happens), the abortion industry would DEMAND that all Democrats vote AGAINST it!

"Because they don't care in the least about quality of life for the mother or the baby."

That's NONSENSE! You're saying that unless we all support Barack Obama's enormously flawed & unpopular health care legislation, then we must NOT care about mothers or their babies? Were YOU born before 2009, YDB95? How is that even possible, as ObamaCare didn't exist before then? How is it you're alive today?

"If you don't like it, you ought to take steps to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. That means better and more affordable birth control..."

It's called taking responsibility for your actions & behavior! Sandra Fluke believed that it was impossible for her not to have sex every night without the federal government picking-up her contraceptives bill! Only the DEMOCRATIC PARTY thinks like that!

"Again, Dump, the realities of late-term abortion are nothing like you think. That's why I told you to educate yourself."

The difference between you & I is that I have principles while you do NOT! I am against terminating the lives of living babies with a heartbeat, and that includes infanticide. You claim to be pro-choice, but you would NEVER CONDONE INFANTICIDE, correct? Well, not so fast. Someday, when Planned Parenthood & the Democratic Party work out a plan for legalizing infanticide, YOU WILL SUPPORT THEM, as they will come up with a pleasant-sounding phrase like "pro-choice" or "the Final Solution" to label it with, at which point you'll agree that it's now acceptable in your view.

"Nope. Go back and look at my first comment about him."

We were talking about Susan Smith murdering her two small children (e.g. infanticide), at which point you turned it into an attack on former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

"You trust that I would look forward to Der Gropenfuhrer appointing more right-wing Supreme Court justices?!"

"Der Gropenfuhrer?" Who said anything about Joe Biden? I'm talking about President Trump replacing another U.S. Supreme Court justice sometime between now and the 2020 election! I'm simply saying that he'll have an easier time of it than he had last year with Brett Kavanaugh, as there are more conservatives serving in the U.S. Senate than was the case last summer!

"Nope. We've always wanted Democrats to vote like Democrats."

You're making my point that Planned Parenthood and the abortion lobby have taken over the Democratic Party at a time in our history when more Americans are growing UNCOMFORTABLE with the whole concept of destroying human life in the womb! And, surprisingly enough, one of the governors recently signing anti-abortion legislation is Louisiana's John Bel Edwards, a Democrat!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "The truth about Auschwitz is indeed horrific. The reality about late-term abortion is that it only ever happens when absolutely necessary and the only alternative is infertility or death. There has NEVER been a case of a woman simply changing her mind at the last minute. That just isn't how it works."

I'm glad that we can at least agree that Auschwitz was a terrible place where the value of human life had no meaning. And I should add that if congress was ever debating a bill prohibiting abortion to those women changing their minds at the last minute (which you claim NEVER happens), the abortion industry would DEMAND that all Democrats vote AGAINST it!

First of all, there's no such thing as "the abortion industry". Secondly, infanticide is already illegal. So if anyone were to vote against such a bill, it would be because it's completely unnecessary. Not to mention rather sexist, to assume any woman would ever choose to do such a thing.

"Because they don't care in the least about quality of life for the mother or the baby."

That's NONSENSE! You're saying that unless we all support Barack Obama's enormously flawed & unpopular health care legislation, then we must NOT care about mothers or their babies?

I didn't say anything about Obamacare. And yes, it is flawed in that it still leaves way too much power in the hands of insurance companies. But it was a good start. (Incidentally, it's based on a proposal originally floated by that noted left-wing organization, the Heritage Foundation!)

Were YOU born before 2009, YDB95? How is that even possible, as ObamaCare didn't exist before then? How is it you're alive today?

Your logic always makes my head hurt, but at least usually I can tell what your point is. This time, I'm stumped. But yes, I was born before 2009.

"If you don't like it, you ought to take steps to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. That means better and more affordable birth control..."

It's called taking responsibility for your actions & behavior!

Which doesn't contradict what I suggested in any way.

Sandra Fluke believed that it was impossible for her not to have sex every night without the federal government picking-up her contraceptives bill! Only the DEMOCRATIC PARTY thinks like that!

Only the likes of you believe that's what she said. I'm guessing you probably got that from Rush Limbaugh. He does not - and this is an understatement - have a good record with factual accuracy, Dumpington.

"Again, Dump, the realities of late-term abortion are nothing like you think. That's why I told you to educate yourself."

The difference between you & I is that I have principles while you do NOT! I am against terminating the lives of living babies with a heartbeat, and that includes infanticide. You claim to be pro-choice, but you would NEVER CONDONE INFANTICIDE, correct? Well, not so fast. Someday, when Planned Parenthood & the Democratic Party work out a plan for legalizing infanticide, YOU WILL SUPPORT THEM, as they will come up with a pleasant-sounding phrase like "pro-choice" or "the Final Solution" to label it with, at which point you'll agree that it's now acceptable in your view.

Once again you prove only that you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is typical of the anti-choice movement.

"Nope. Go back and look at my first comment about him."

We were talking about Susan Smith murdering her two small children (e.g. infanticide), at which point you turned it into an attack on former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

I brought up the FACT that Gingrich suggested Susan Smith's actions were the result of liberalism. If you interpret that as an attack on the man, that's your problem. (You asked upthread if I was born before 2009. Were you born before 1994? If so, you ought to remember that's what happened.)

"You trust that I would look forward to Der Gropenfuhrer appointing more right-wing Supreme Court justices?!"

"Der Gropenfuhrer?" Who said anything about Joe Biden? I'm talking about President Trump replacing another U.S. Supreme Court justice sometime between now and the 2020 election! I'm simply saying that he'll have an easier time of it than he had last year with Brett Kavanaugh, as there are more conservatives serving in the U.S. Senate than was the case last summer!

No, you're not. You have repeatedly zeroed in on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat as the next vacancy. If you knew anything about her at all, you'd know she's not going to retire before the next election. Which leaves only one possibility, and you know it.

"Nope. We've always wanted Democrats to vote like Democrats."

You're making my point that Planned Parenthood and the abortion lobby have taken over the Democratic Party at a time in our history when more Americans are growing UNCOMFORTABLE with the whole concept of destroying human life in the womb!

Actually, polls still show Americans overwhelmingly do not want Roe overturned. And you still haven't named any pro-choice Republican officeholders.

 

[YDB95]

A take on it from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (whom Dumpington no doubt thinks is bought and paid for by "the abortion industry", but whatever) :

Calling abortion bans 'fetal heartbeat bills' is misleading

“Arbitrary gestational age bans on abortion at six weeks that use the term ‘heartbeat’ to define the gestational development being targeted do not reflect medical accuracy or clinical understanding,” said Dr Ted Anderson, president of ACOG.

Anti-choicers don't understand science...and in other news, water is wet!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "First of all, there's no such thing as "the abortion industry". Secondly, infanticide is already illegal. So if anyone were to vote against such a bill, it would be because it's completely unnecessary. Not to mention rather sexist, to assume any woman would ever choose to do such a thing."

Liberals like to PRETEND that Planned Parenthood does hardly ANY abortions, claiming that those horrific procedures account for only 3% of their services, IGNORING the FACT that if they ever stopped performing abortions the Democrats in the House & Senate would immediately STOP funding PP with taxpayer money!

The abortion industry exists, and it's currently calling the shots for the modern Democratic Party. Those Dems who remain pro-life will no longer be assisted by their party's hierarchy, as the abortion industry bosses have ordered them to be abandoned.

"I didn't say anything about Obamacare. And yes, it is flawed in that it still leaves way too much power in the hands of insurance companies. But it was a good start."

We are in agreement here, but for entirely different reasons - I also viewed ObamaCare as a good start in destroying Democratic Party legislative power, immediately restoring the House to G.O.P. control in 2010, although it wasn't until 2014 that Republicans were able to win a majority in the U.S. Senate, as well! And it was thanks to the destruction of Democrat-power in the SENATE that President Trump was able to get both Neil Gorsuch & Brett Kavanaugh seated on the U.S. Supreme Court during his first two years in office!

"This time, I'm stumped. But yes, I was born before 2009."

So you are one of the VERY FEW Americans to survive to adulthood before ObamaCare was passed! To hear liberals, such a thing was next-to-impossible before Barack Obama stepped in to fix the problem that had plagued this nation since its founding!

"Only the likes of you believe that's what she said."

Sandra Fluke was having so much sex that she could no longer afford her contraceptives, and so she did what ANY liberal American college girl would do - she went to the capitol and complained to House Democrats, urging them to pass legislation to buy her more condoms! AND THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS LISTENED! And they even invited her to speak at their party's 2012 national convention!

"Once again you prove only that you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is typical of the anti-choice movement."

When the Democratic Party & its abortion industry allies eventually move to make infanticide legal, they'll label their opponents as "anti-choice," which will be more-than-enough to guarantee your support. Again, your moral principles are as shallow as black voter support was for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

"I brought up the FACT that Gingrich suggested Susan Smith's actions were the result of liberalism."

Susan Smith was practicing a form of "extreme-late-term abortion," which, at the time, was still very much illegal. But as the Democratic Party evolves, murderers like Susan Smith & Dr. Kermit Gosnell will soon be absolved & rehabilitated and shown to have been visionaries instead of killers.

"No, you're not. You have repeatedly zeroed in on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat as the next vacancy. If you knew anything about her at all, you'd know she's not going to retire before the next election. Which leaves only one possibility, and you know it."

I honestly DON'T CARE which liberal on our nation's highest court leaves next! I'm still assuming that it will be Ruth, but if it's Breyer, Kagan, or Sotomayor, I'll be just as pleased! The IMPORTANT thing is, President Trump currently has the necessary votes in the U.S. Senate to get his replacement pick easily confirmed! Why can't you at least share in my confidence?

"Actually, polls still show Americans overwhelmingly do not want Roe overturned. And you still haven't named any pro-choice Republican officeholders."

You're missing the point. Yes, the majority of Republican legislators are conservatives. But if you're a RINO (Republican-in-name-only) like McCain, Corker, Flake, or Mitt Romney, the national Republican Party won't ABANDON you by cutting off your funding! That's a uniquely Democratic Party thing!

"Anti-choicers don't understand science..."

Craig Telfer - man or woman? "Anti-choicers" will point to basic biology, and say that he's a guy. But liberal Democrats will argue that he only USED-to-be a guy, but now that he's changed his name to "Cece" she's a woman who still possesses a man's body! And "she's" now the best 400-hurdler in NCAA Division II track & field!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "First of all, there's no such thing as "the abortion industry". Secondly, infanticide is already illegal. So if anyone were to vote against such a bill, it would be because it's completely unnecessary. Not to mention rather sexist, to assume any woman would ever choose to do such a thing."

Liberals like to PRETEND that Planned Parenthood does hardly ANY abortions, claiming that those horrific procedures account for only 3% of their services, IGNORING the FACT that if they ever stopped performing abortions the Democrats in the House & Senate would immediately STOP funding PP with taxpayer money!

Where's your evidence that the 3% figure is wrong? (And PP already doesn't spend its tax-paid funding on abortions. That's illegal under the Hyde Amendment.)

The abortion industry exists, and it's currently calling the shots for the modern Democratic Party. Those Dems who remain pro-life will no longer be assisted by their party's hierarchy, as the abortion industry bosses have ordered them to be abandoned.

Or the Democrats just want members who actually vote like Democrats.

"Only the likes of you believe that's what she said."

Sandra Fluke was having so much sex that she could no longer afford her contraceptives, and so she did what ANY liberal American college girl would do - she went to the capitol and complained to House Democrats, urging them to pass legislation to buy her more condoms! AND THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS LISTENED! And they even invited her to speak at their party's 2012 national convention!

So you don't know how the Pill works, either. Imagine my surprise. (And no, that's not what Sandra Fluke said.)

"No, you're not. You have repeatedly zeroed in on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat as the next vacancy. If you knew anything about her at all, you'd know she's not going to retire before the next election. Which leaves only one possibility, and you know it."

I honestly DON'T CARE which liberal on our nation's highest court leaves next! I'm still assuming that it will be Ruth, but if it's Breyer, Kagan, or Sotomayor, I'll be just as pleased! The IMPORTANT thing is, President Trump currently has the necessary votes in the U.S. Senate to get his replacement pick easily confirmed! Why can't you at least share in my confidence?

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I believe Trump will lose and I hope Ginsburg can hang on until then. Besides, we now have the precedent of 2016: no voting on a supreme court nominee during an election year!

"Actually, polls still show Americans overwhelmingly do not want Roe overturned. And you still haven't named any pro-choice Republican officeholders."

You're missing the point. Yes, the majority of Republican legislators are conservatives. But if you're a RINO (Republican-in-name-only) like McCain, Corker, Flake, or Mitt Romney, the national Republican Party won't ABANDON you by cutting off your funding! That's a uniquely Democratic Party thing!

RINOs or not, everyone you named is/was anti-choice. You're dodging my question and you know it.

"Anti-choicers don't understand science..."

Craig Telfer - man or woman?

Woman, and her first name is CeCe.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Where's your evidence that the 3% figure is wrong? (And PP already doesn't spend its tax-paid funding on abortions. That's illegal under the Hyde Amendment.)"

It's this simple: Democrats want the federal government to give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood because PP is our nation's leading abortion provider. Planned Parenthood then gives that money BACK to the Democratic Party (via political-donations), expecting those Democratic Party legislators elected with their money to defeat things like the Hyde amendment, and ALSO to keep Republican presidents (like Donald Trump) from seeing his conservative nominees to our U.S. Supreme Court confirmed by the U.S. Senate (sadly, that's been a dismal failure thus far for the Dems). Should Planned Parenthood ever STOP providing abortion services, the Democrats in congress will STOP providing PP with taxpayer funding!

"Or the Democrats just want members who actually vote like Democrats."

And in 2019 the phrase "vote like Democrats" = being PRO-ABORTION at all times!

"And no, that's not what Sandra Fluke said."

That's EXACTLY what she said! Sandra Fluke became famous (and very popular with Democrats) because her enormous sexual appetite was draining money she needed for college into purchasing contraceptives instead! And the House Democrats were SO DEEPLY MOVED by her testimony that they invited her to speak at their party's 2012 national convention! I'm NOT making that up - she really DID that!

"...but I believe Trump will lose and I hope Ginsburg can hang on until then. Besides, we now have the precedent of 2016: no voting on a supreme court nominee during an election year!"

First, Trump's not going to lose in 2020. And second, "precedent" can easily be broken! Before Harry Reid was Senate Majority Leader, you needed sixty-votes to confirm a federal judge. Reid "BROKE" that precedent so that his party could confirm more of President Obama's judges, remember? And, thanks to Harry, President Trump confirmed BOTH Neil Gorsuch & Brett Kavanaugh WITHOUT either judge receiving the once-necessary sixty-votes! Reid invoked the so-called "nuclear option" - and since there's absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution against confirming a new Supreme Court justice in 2020, it will happen!

"RINOs or not, everyone you named is/was anti-choice. You're dodging my question and you know it."

I'm not dodging anything! The Republican Party does NOT defund pro-choice Republicans! Our party has NOT been taken over by the abortion lobby (as has the Democratic Party!)

"Woman, and her first name is CeCe."

And HOW EXACTLY did this Cece gal get a MAN'S body? And whatever happened to Craig Telfer - he was that hurdler on the 2018 Franklin Pierce University MEN'S track & field team? That guy never won any medals, did he? I wonder where he is today?

By the way, YDB95, I saw a story on the news last night about the U.S. Women's Soccer team (currently playing in the World Cup) wanting to be paid the same as our MEN'S World Cup team (who make considerably MORE money!) I can't help but wonder if there are any GUYS out there who got cut by our men's team, but who might someday play on our WOMEN'S national team, making the same amount on money as the guys? It could happen, couldn't it?

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Where's your evidence that the 3% figure is wrong? (And PP already doesn't spend its tax-paid funding on abortions. That's illegal under the Hyde Amendment.)"

It's this simple: Democrats want the federal government to give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood because PP is our nation's leading abortion provider. Planned Parenthood then gives that money BACK to the Democratic Party (via political-donations), expecting those Democratic Party legislators elected with their money to defeat things like the Hyde amendment, and ALSO to keep Republican presidents (like Donald Trump) from seeing his conservative nominees to our U.S. Supreme Court confirmed by the U.S. Senate (sadly, that's been a dismal failure thus far for the Dems). Should Planned Parenthood ever STOP providing abortion services, the Democrats in congress will STOP providing PP with taxpayer funding!

And you know this all...how?

"Or the Democrats just want members who actually vote like Democrats."

And in 2019 the phrase "vote like Democrats" = being PRO-ABORTION at all times!

Actually, Dumpington, Lipinksi's primary challenger is running into some roadblocks from the Democratic establishment: https://www.vox.com/2019/6/10/18629241/marie-newman-dan-lipinski-abortion-chicago-2020
I know you're going to believe what you want to believe, but those are the facts.

"And no, that's not what Sandra Fluke said."

That's EXACTLY what she said! Sandra Fluke became famous (and very popular with Democrats) because her enormous sexual appetite was draining money she needed for college into purchasing contraceptives instead!

No, that is not what she said. That is what Rush Limbaugh claimed she said, which I'm betting is the closest you ever came to actually listening to her testimony. (The giveaway: Rush didn't know how the Pill worked either.)

And the House Democrats were SO DEEPLY MOVED by her testimony that they invited her to speak at their party's 2012 national convention! I'm NOT making that up - she really DID that!

I know. I watched it, and I approved of it completely.

"...but I believe Trump will lose and I hope Ginsburg can hang on until then. Besides, we now have the precedent of 2016: no voting on a supreme court nominee during an election year!"

First, Trump's not going to lose in 2020. And second, "precedent" can easily be broken! Before Harry Reid was Senate Majority Leader, you needed sixty-votes to confirm a federal judge.

No, you didn't. What you are referring to is a parliamentary maneuver Reid used to overcome the Republicans' tendency to filibuster too many judicial nominations to death. In other words, the Dems often effectively needed 60 votes, but there was nothing official about it.

You are, however, right that precedent can easily be broken. That's exactly what the Republicans did with Merrick Garland, and I have every hope the Dems will return the favor if a seat becomes vacant next year. Turnabout is fair play, after all. (And yes, I know they'll probably fail because they're in the minority. But there are some Republican senators who will want to win re-election from purple or even blue states like Colorado and Maine, and it wouldn't be wise to be seen as under Trump's thumb.)

and since there's absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution against confirming a new Supreme Court justice in 2020, it will happen!

Nothing but the political reality that it could be fatal to some senators' re-election hopes.

"RINOs or not, everyone you named is/was anti-choice. You're dodging my question and you know it."

I'm not dodging anything! The Republican Party does NOT defund pro-choice Republicans!

As I showed above, neither do the Democrats. But my point stands: pro-choice Republicans are just as rare as anti-choice Democrats. Which is why you literally haven't even been able to name as many as I have.

"Woman, and her first name is CeCe."

And HOW EXACTLY did this Cece gal get a MAN'S body? And whatever happened to Craig Telfer - he was that hurdler on the 2018 Franklin Pierce University MEN'S track & field team? That guy never won any medals, did he? I wonder where he is today?

Asked and answered repeatedly. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it isn't true.

By the way, YDB95, I saw a story on the news last night about the U.S. Women's Soccer team (currently playing in the World Cup) wanting to be paid the same as our MEN'S World Cup team (who make considerably MORE money!) I can't help but wonder if there are any GUYS out there who got cut by our men's team, but who might someday play on our WOMEN'S national team, making the same amount on money as the guys? It could happen, couldn't it?

Given the amount of counseling, waiting periods, surgery, and sheer emotional and physical difficulty that goes with transitioning, no. I'm pretty sure it couldn't.

 

[badbabysitter]

The film "Unplanned" does an excellent job of showing how actually witnessing an abortion being performed turned a young woman named Abby Johnson into a pro-lifer almost overnight! Abby was one of the youngest directors of a Planned Parenthood clinic in the U.S. until that fateful day when she actually watched a baby's life being terminated, at which point she said good-bye to the abortion industry altogether! Planned Parenthood sued her for allegedly leaking confidential information about their operations, but Abby WON that case and joined the pro-life cause, where she works to this day!

Yet...Abby never once contacted the police concerning the illegal abortion as zero abortions were scheduled for the day she alleges to have witnessed, the day before or the day after....


Each time she has been asked why she didnt contact anyone concerning this illegal operation, Abby ends the interview

Like you, she is a fraud


The antichoice movement pays more

 

[dan_c00000]

The antichoice movement pays more

The whole "pro-life" movement has always been, and will always be, lead by men who hate women. Dump's bullshit religious right loons love making sure women are kept subservient.

Is it any wonder that there's a pro-life "fashion" line with Johnson as the brand's "ambassador"? Not really. The pro-life movement like most of the right has always been a front for grifters.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The whole "pro-life" movement has always been, and will always be, lead by men who hate women. Dump's bullshit religious right loons love making sure women are kept subservient.

Is it any wonder that there's a pro-life "fashion" line with Johnson as the brand's "ambassador"

Not really. The pro-life movement like most of the right has always been a front for grifters.

Actually, it's not. There are many women who are anti-abortion, and here are some examples. https://www.themarysue.com/anti-abortion-movement-white-women/ There are many more if I wanted to take the time to look them up. Conversely, there are many white men who are pro-choice.

Organized religion and politics have always been fronts for grifters.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "And you know this all...how?"

It's a very simple concept: JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY - the Democrats see to it that taxpayer dollars go to Planned Parenthood, with that major abortion-provider then contributing heavily to Democratic Party coffers, with the understanding that ALL Democrat legislators will support abortion (or else!) As long as the Democratic Party is pro-abortion, the Dems will receive hefty Planned Parenthood political donations; and so long as Planned Parenthood performs a multitude of abortions, the Dems will see to it that they continue to receive regular taxpayer funding!

"Actually, Dumpington, Lipinksi's primary challenger is running into some roadblocks..."

Dan Lipinski represents a pro-life congressional district, YDB95. Yes, the voters there may lean Democrat, but they clearly DON'T respect Planned Parenthood, or want the abortion industry calling the shots in their neighborhood! The Democratic Party is learning a sharp lesson that their pro-abortion agenda is NOT as popular as they seemingly believe it to be!

"No, that is not what she said."

WHY are we talking about Sandra Fluke? WHAT did she do that put her on the map, and caused the Democratic Party to invite her to speak at their 2012 national convention? The ANSWER: she was a college girl getting a LOT of sex, and found herself unable to afford her sizeable contraceptives bill, and so she asked the Democrats in congress for help! And they fell IN LOVE with her, just as they ALSO fell in love with Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford & Jussie Smollett!

"In other words, the Dems often effectively needed 60 votes, but there was nothing official about it."

Harry Reid ended that, and his party lived to regret it - "Precedent," as they say, was broken! Merrick Garland never got a confirmation vote (the G.O.P.-controlled Senate was NEVER going to confirm him anyway) - and, following the 2018 mid-term elections the Republicans are now even STRONGER in the U.S. Senate than they were when they confirmed Brett Kavanaugh last summer! If Ruth, Breyer, Sonia, and/or Elena should quit the U.S. Supreme Court sometime in 2020, President Trump's new appointment(s) should face a fairly simply confirmation procedure!

"Nothing but the political reality that it could be fatal to some senators' re-election hopes."

Opposing President Trump's appointment of Judge Kavanaugh last summer certainly proved fatal to the re-election hopes of Democratic Party U.S. Senators in Florida, Missouri, & North Dakota, didn't they? Meanwhile, not a SINGLE G.O.P. senator voting FOR Kavanaugh's confirmation lost his (or her) seat!

"...pro-choice Republicans are just as rare as anti-choice Democrats."

True, but Republicans don't deny funding over that one issue as do the Democrats. Also, being pro-abortion isn't the women-voters-magnet that the pro-choice Democrats seemingly believe it to be.

"Asked and answered repeatedly. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it isn't true."

"Answered repeatedly?" You mean DODGED repeatedly! In 2018, Craig Telfer was a college athlete with a MAN'S body, competing against other guys (and not doing all that great!) Jump ahead to 2019... and "Cece" Telfer is a college athlete with a MAN'S body, competing against FEMALE athletes and winning the NCAA Division II WOMEN'S track & field 400-hurdling title! I wonder WHY he did so much better competing against the GIRLS?

"Given the amount of counseling, waiting periods, surgery, and sheer emotional and physical difficulty that goes with transitioning, no. I'm pretty sure it couldn't."

What you're saying is that it PROBABLY won't happen, as WAY too many guys have their self-respect to consider. But hear me out... let's suppose that the U.S. women's soccer team WINS it's struggle to get equal pay with the men's team, okay? A soccer-playing guy (we'll call him "Craig") is a fairly talented male soccer play, but he gets CUT by the guy's team because he's not quite good enough! And so the very next year Craig becomes a woman and changes his name (to something like "Cece") and tries out for the WOMEN'S team, where he immediately earns a starting spot (thanks to his excessive size & speed) and ends-up leading the U.S. women's team to a World Cup Championship! Will YOU be cheering for Cece, YDB95? Yes or no?

 

[Dumpington]

badbabysitter writes: "Yet...Abby never once contacted the police concerning the illegal abortion..."

Abby witnessed a PERFECTLY LEGAL ABORTION - but was understandably HORRIFIED when she discovered firsthand what a legal abortion actually was! She watched as the abortion doctor ripped apart a tiny baby in its mother's womb! She saw the tiny infant actually trying to escape from the metal pincers that tore its body apart, to no avail. She felt as if she were watching Nazi doctors at Auschwitz calmly destroying human beings as part of the so-called "Final Solution" - which is what Hitler's genocidal regime called the Holocaust, as that phrase just sounds so-much-more pleasing! "Pro-choice" is another phrase that sounds a whole lot less monstrous than "pro-abortion," doesn't it?

dan_c00000 writes: "The whole "pro-life" movement has always been, and will always be, lead by men who hate women."

Hugh Hefner was a man who always loved women, Dan - just as long as they were beautiful, young, & naked - and Hefner's famed Playboy philosophy was ALWAYS fully-supportive of abortion! Hefner especially liked the idea of wealthy men (like himself) knocking-up pretty women with NO CONSEQUENCES! Get a young woman pregnant? - not a problem - just send her to Planned Parenthood for an abortion!

"Dump's bullshit religious right loons love making sure women are kept subservient."

Yeah, who needs Christianity when we've got bold feminist leaders like Hugh Hefner planning our world's agenda? You remind me of him, Dan! So long as women remain young & comely, wealthy men can keep them happy by buying them things in exchange for consequence-free sex! You're a visionary, Dan!

 

[dan_c00000]

Hugh Hefner was a man who always loved women

Well you just owned yourself on that one. There are legions of stories of Hugh treating women rather poorly.

So you're once again comparing yourself to someone who doesn't like it when women have their own agency.

Gee, I wonder where you learned that from?

wealthy men (like himself)

Prove it dump. Show us your bank account. Name, account number, and address. Until then you're a proven racist, anti-Semite, and liar.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "So you're once again comparing yourself to someone who doesn't like it when women have their own agency."

Hugh Hefner considered himself to be a proud feminist, Dan! He argued that if beautiful young women dreamed of posing nude in magazines, then it was HIS mission in life to make their dreams come true! And yes, he wholehearedly supported Planned Parenthood and ABORTION rights! Getting those girls pregnant was NOT in line with his Playboy philosophy! Hef preferred the idea of endless consequence-free sex!

"Prove it dump. Show us your bank account. Name, account number, and address. Until then you're a proven racist, anti-Semite, and liar."

You're on! My full name is "Daniel Cooooo" - my last name is pronounced like COO, and my bank account number is BR-945 at the First National Bank, and I live in Maxine Waters' own congressional district in Los Angeles! No, Dan, there's not as much human excrement on the streets here as there is in Nancy Pelosi's congressional district, but we're getting there! You need to come for a visit sometime!

Well, there you have it! This PROVES that I'm a good liberal Democrat JUST LIKE YOU, Dan, only without your neo-fascist political beliefs!