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[Boxlicker101]

Thank you; just like I thought. Some pigs are more equal.

What happened to your rabid Nazi comparisons when it concerns a guy who opens concentration camps, puts children in cages, and whose family does not say 'Wir haben es nicht gewußt', but 'I don't care'?

The only guys I know of in the US who opened concentration camps were FDR and Earl Warren, and that was about 77 years ago.

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "I specifically use it for you, because of everything you write and share."

Yes, Ruben, I know. You call me a "racist" because I'm not a liberal Democrat, and also because I support President Trump. You're using the SAME childish name-calling tactics that used to work back when you were in the third grade and somebody didn't share your opinion on something that you felt was important. You don't cite any actual evidence other than the fact that we both disagree.

"I'm not comparing Trump with Hitler, I'm only pointing out some similarities."

"Some similartities?" Again, that is so incredibly immature! You could easily list similarities comparing Barack Obama with Hitler, or Hillary Clinton with Hitler (quite a few with Hillary!) It's just such a STUPID thing to say! Again, it's like we're both in the third-grade and you're calling me Hitler because I don't want to play a game that you want to play! For God's sake, GROW UP and stop throwing around words like "racist" for stupid-ass reasons!

"Seriously, dumb, if you want to compare Planned Parenthood with AUSCHWITZ, you really don't know what happened then and what happens now."

Both the Nazis at Auschwitz and the abortion services provided by Planned Parenthood are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent lives. Both claimed that those killed weren't really people. The major difference is that the abortion industry is STILL active in the killing business.

Boxlicker101 writes: "The only guys I know of in the US who opened concentration camps were FDR and Earl Warren, and that was about 77 years ago."

Ruben says that while Franklin Roosevelt wasn't exactly a Nazi, he was only pointing out the many SIMILARITIES between FDR's concentration camps and those run by Hitler. Also, Roosevelt was on very friendly terms with a world leader who murdered even MORE innocent people than Adolf Hitler (and THAT would be Joseph Stalin of the U.S.S.R.) He says that the "similarities" were numerous & everywhere!

 

[Boxlicker101]

RubenR writes: "I specifically use it for you, because of everything you write and share."

Yes, Ruben, I know. You call me a "racist" because I'm not a liberal Democrat, and also because I support President Trump. You're using the SAME childish name-calling tactics that used to work back when you were in the third grade and somebody didn't share your opinion on something that you felt was important. You don't cite any actual evidence other than the fact that we both disagree.

"I'm not comparing Trump with Hitler, I'm only pointing out some similarities."

"Some similartities?" Again, that is so incredibly immature! You could easily list similarities comparing Barack Obama with Hitler, or Hillary Clinton with Hitler (quite a few with Hillary!) It's just such a STUPID thing to say! Again, it's like we're both in the third-grade and you're calling me Hitler because I don't want to play a game that you want to play! For God's sake, GROW UP and stop throwing around words like "racist" for stupid-ass reasons!

"Seriously, dumb, if you want to compare Planned Parenthood with AUSCHWITZ, you really don't know what happened then and what happens now."

Both the Nazis at Auschwitz and the abortion services provided by Planned Parenthood are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent lives. Both claimed that those killed weren't really people. The major difference is that the abortion industry is STILL active in the killing business.

Boxlicker101 writes: "The only guys I know of in the US who opened concentration camps were FDR and Earl Warren, and that was about 77 years ago."

Ruben says that while Franklin Roosevelt wasn't exactly a Nazi, he was only pointing out the many SIMILARITIES between FDR's concentration camps and those run by Hitler. Also, Roosevelt was on very friendly terms with a world leader who murdered even MORE innocent people than Adolf Hitler (and THAT would be Joseph Stalin of the U.S.S.R.) He says that the "similarities" were numerous & everywhere!

Even though Stalin was one of the most evil persons in History, some people on this forum still believe we should emulate him.

 

[JackLuis]

Even though Stalin was one of the most evil persons in History, some people on this forum still believe we should emulate him.

Bullshit Box. You don't believe that, Dump does not believe that, you and he and MyI are just spouting Rethuglican talking points meant to keep us in the 19th century of scio/political thought. Wise up this is the 21st Century and things have changed.

I ask you to get on the net and read Eric From's "True Believer". He is not Left or Right he was a philosopher who spoke the truth about following bullshit artists like Lumpy Dumpling.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Even though Stalin was one of the most evil persons in History, some people on this forum still believe we should emulate him.

Bullshit Box. You don't believe that, Dump does not believe that, you and he and MyI are just spouting Rethuglican talking points meant to keep us in the 19th century of scio/political thought. Wise up this is the 21st Century and things have changed.

I ask you to get on the net and read Eric From's "True Believer". He is not Left or Right he was a philosopher who spoke the truth about following bullshit artists like Lumpy Dumpling.

Stalin and Hitler were both from the 20th Century.

Are you saying there are no people on this forum who call themselves Socialists, as Stalin did?

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "You don't know me."

I know you about as well as you know me.

"When was the last time I called you a racist?"

You never did? Good! I'm glad we got that straightened out.

"Clumps of cells are not really people."

I hate to break this to you, Ruben - but you ARE, in fact, a clump of living cells!

Boxlicker101 writes: "Even though Stalin was one of the most evil persons in History, some people on this forum still believe we should emulate him."

Yes, Boxlicker101, you are certainly right about that! The Antifa fascists in America today are largely made up of neo-Stalinists who don't respect human life OR human liberty! They hate the United States and everything that this nation represents.

 

[YDB95]

Wait a minute... you're telling me that YOU get this 63-genders bullsh*t? Seriously?

I don't claim to know everything about it. But I'm not the one denying that it exists, or arguing that people would risk being kicked out of their families, not allowed to use public bathrooms without severe risk to their safety, and identify with a group that faces extremely high suicide rates in order to win a track meet.

"YOU are the one who seems borderline obsessed with forcing people to deny their true nature because otherwise someone, somewhere might win a track meet she otherwise wouldn't have."

There were seven REAL WOMEN competing last month for the NCAA Division II Track & Field women's 400-hurdles title, and they were ALL defeated by a guy pretending to be a woman. I find that to be an outrage, whereas YOU celebrate it.

No, I don't celebrate it. I just don't think it means transsexuality is bullshit the way you clearly do.

"It's settled science that transsexuality is real, Dump."

So what? It's also settled science that schizophrenia is real! Are we now supposed to celebrate THAT as normal in the modern liberal world?

We're certainly supposed to recognize that it is a real condition.

"...you literally can't fathom that other people could hold opinions different from yours. Wow."

I support President Trump, and YOU seemingly can't fathom that, can you?

Are you kidding? Given the attitudes you've expressed here, I can't imagine you wouldn't support Twitler!

You (and other Trump-haters) believe that wanting to see America being made great again is somehow racist.

No. We believe wanting to see America being made racist again is somehow racist.

"The Republicans have spent the past 50 years appealing to their prejudices and suspicions of anyone different."

The Democratic Party has spent the past fifty years telling everybody that they're a VICTIM, and that they can only get ahead with government assistance.

And you wonder why we call you racist...

"She spoke at one rally, of a women's branch of the Klan..."

And unlike U.S. Senator (and former KKK 'Exalted Cyclops') Robert Byrd, Margaret Sanger never apologized for speaking out about controlling America's black population with the help of abortion.

Why would she apologize for that when she didn't do it? (Yes, she spoke to the women's chapter of one Klan chapter, but she was speaking about birth control. Nothing about controlling anyone's population beyond the women she was actually speaking to.)

But like you say, being virulently racist was perfectly normal for Planned Parenthood back in those days.

Nearly everyone back then was racist by today's standards. Sad but true.

"Dump said $3,000 per month. What that link says is that she said $3,000 through law school. That's three years, not one month."

No matter how you want to slice it, Sandra Fluke went before U.S. Congressional Democrats to demand that the federal government chip in and help her pay her contraceptives bill! AND THEY BOUGHT INTO IT, HOOK, LINE, & SINKER! You appear to be missing the forest for the trees!

If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to inflate the amount of money she talked about by so much.

dan_c00000 then chimes in: "That's a good question. Dump/dawn are very pro-child killing so long as the child is brown or black."

No, Dan - Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a liberal Democrat, NOT a Republican!

She was neither, actually: https://www.politifact.com/virginia...sen-stephen-martin-says-democartic-party-cre/
Remember, she couldn't even vote until her fifties anyway. Even after that, there is no evidence that she identified with either party, and she was known for criticizing both parties for their lack of support for family planning.

And she viewed abortion as a means of keeping the population of darker-skinned Americans in check.

You can repeat that until the cows come home, but it just isn't true. She worked with civil rights leaders, and she opposed using race as a basis for abortion.

And yes, according to YDB95, she ONLY addressed that admiring crowd of Ku Kux Klansmen that one time!

They weren't Klansmen; they were their wives. I'll leave it to you to explain how you know they were "admiring".

 

[dan_c00000]

She was neither, actually: https://www.politifact.com/virginia...sen-stephen-martin-says-democartic-party-cre/
Remember, she couldn't even vote until her fifties anyway. Even after that, there is no evidence that she identified with either party, and she was known for criticizing both parties for their lack of support for family planning.

I've owned him with that before. He was so embarrassed that he threatened me with violence and then said something anti-Semitic. It was a low moment even for him.

Anyway, dump never actually denied his support for murdering children in both the U.S. and other countries. I wouldn't hold my breath on him dropping his racism either.

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "At some point in their development... the fused egg and sperm cells become human."

Exactly right, Ruben. The scientific term for when that happens is known as "conception" - and suddenly, human life exists!

YDB95 writes: "But I'm not the one denying that it exists, or arguing that people would risk being kicked out of their families, not allowed to use public bathrooms without severe risk to their safety, and identify with a group that faces extremely high suicide rates in order to win a track meet."

There are MANY groups in America today suffering from high suicide rates, including alcoholics, drug-addicts, people with untreated mental health disorders, etc. etc. etc. I honestly don't see how allowing these people to use whatever bathroom they choose, or giving them NCAA medals for something they didn't deserve is going to fix the problem.

"I just don't think it means transsexuality is bullshit the way you clearly do"

SERIOUS question, YDB95: WHY do we have separate sports for boys & girls in high school athletics, college athletics, and even the Olympics? WHY NOT simply lump everybody together as "humans" with one gold medal awarded for every sport? Instead of separate men's & women's 400-hurdles champions, there would just be ONE medal for the winner, regardless of gender? I SERIOUSLY want to know your opinion on this!

My OWN opinion on this is that both the summer & winter olympics would become a "sausage-fest" with women in the Olympic village almost non-existent! And in high-school & college sports, the girls would be relegated to being cheerleaders, like they were in the 1950's and before! And think of the money we'd save by not having to fund TWO separate teams for golf, tennis, basketball, swimming & diving, cross-country, track & field, etc. etc. etc. And you'd celebrate transgendered guys being able to compete with the very best athletes around, regardless of their gender! Am I right?

"No. We believe wanting to see America being made racist again is somehow racist."

Here we go again... TRANSLATION: "Everybody who likes President Trump is automatically a racist!" How BORING can you possibly get?

"Yes, she spoke to the women's chapter of one Klan chapter, but she was speaking about birth control."

TRANSLATION: Margaret Sanger is proof that you can be a racist bigot and STILL support a woman's right to choose (abortion!)

"Remember, she couldn't even vote until her fifties anyway."

Margaret Sanger was born in 1879. In the Republican Party-dominated state of Wyoming, women could already vote in 1869!

"They weren't Klansmen; they were their wives."

So... Margaret Sanger spoke to a group of women whose husbands were ALL members of the Ku Kux Klan - but that didn't make those women racist, correct? Because just because your husband is an active member of a racist hate-group, and you're a member of a group of KKK wives, has nothing to do with any racism on your part, is that it?

dan_c00000 writes: "He was so embarrassed that he threatened me with violence and then said something anti-Semitic."

This is why nobody takes you seriously on this forum, Dan.

 

[dan_c00000]

This is why nobody takes you seriously on this forum, Dan.

Everyone takes me seriously dump, most especially you.

 

[bodysong]

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[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "I guess, what it comes down to, is whether there is a separation of church and state, or not."

And how exactly do our nation's laws against the taking of innocent human life involve separation of church & state, Ruben?

We're talking about stopping a beating human heart here, and the government's role in prosecuting the people who do that! Planned Parenthood & the rest of the abortion industry wants to pretend that women have a right to kill their own babies in the womb.

There's an organization out there called "Feminists for Life" who argue that the entire women's movement centers on stopping MEN from thinking that they OWN their wives & daughters. So how is it any different for WOMEN thinking that they OWN their unborn babies?

A pregnant woman who becomes addicted to crack can be prosecuted for child abuse after delivering a crack-addicted baby, but it's some acceptable for her to MURDER that baby instead? How twisted is that?

 

[YDB95]

RubenR writes: "I guess, what it comes down to, is whether there is a separation of church and state, or not."

And how exactly do our nation's laws against the taking of innocent human life involve separation of church & state, Ruben?

What has the one to do with the other?

We're talking about stopping a beating human heart here, and the government's role in prosecuting the people who do that!

No, Dumpington. The vast majority of abortions happen in the early weeks of pregnancy, when - despite the propaganda you seem to live on - there is no heartbeat. Mind you, the percentage of abortions that happen in those early weeks would be even higher if it weren't for all the roadblocks anti-choicers have put up (unnecessary counseling, waiting periods, etc.)

Planned Parenthood & the rest of the abortion industry wants to pretend that women have a right to kill their own babies in the womb.

No, they don't want to go back to the days of back alley abortions. Which IS what will happen if Roe is overturned. You're not going to stop abortion, you're just going to stop safe abortions.

There's an organization out there called "Feminists for Life" who argue that the entire women's movement centers on stopping MEN from thinking that they OWN their wives & daughters. So how is it any different for WOMEN thinking that they OWN their unborn babies?

First of all, Feminists for Life is a bullshit front group. Secondly, a man can't possibly have the same relationship to his wife or daughter that a woman has to an embryo in her own damn body. Even you can surely see that.

A pregnant woman who becomes addicted to crack can be prosecuted for child abuse after delivering a crack-addicted baby, but it's some acceptable for her to MURDER that baby instead? How twisted is that?

If you don't like abortion, don't have one. Problem solved.

RubenR writes: "At some point in their development... the fused egg and sperm cells become human."

Exactly right, Ruben. The scientific term for when that happens is known as "conception" - and suddenly, human life exists!

No, it is not scientifically correct to say life begins at conception.

YDB95 writes: "But I'm not the one denying that it exists, or arguing that people would risk being kicked out of their families, not allowed to use public bathrooms without severe risk to their safety, and identify with a group that faces extremely high suicide rates in order to win a track meet."

There are MANY groups in America today suffering from high suicide rates, including alcoholics, drug-addicts, people with untreated mental health disorders, etc. etc. etc. I honestly don't see how allowing these people to use whatever bathroom they choose, or giving them NCAA medals for something they didn't deserve is going to fix the problem.

For once, I have no doubt you're right. You don't see it at all.

"I just don't think it means transsexuality is bullshit the way you clearly do"

SERIOUS question, YDB95: WHY do we have separate sports for boys & girls in high school athletics, college athletics, and even the Olympics? WHY NOT simply lump everybody together as "humans" with one gold medal awarded for every sport? Instead of separate men's & women's 400-hurdles champions, there would just be ONE medal for the winner, regardless of gender? I SERIOUSLY want to know your opinion on this!

Once again, you invent an issue where there really isn't one. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be separate sports for women and man. That's not the point at all. The point is allowing people to live as the gender they truly are. Yes, that does carry the risk of unfairness in sports as you have so ably brought up. But that is no excuse for forcing people to live in a body that is alien to them.

My OWN opinion on this is that both the summer & winter olympics would become a "sausage-fest" with women in the Olympic village almost non-existent! And in high-school & college sports, the girls would be relegated to being cheerleaders, like they were in the 1950's and before! And think of the money we'd save by not having to fund TWO separate teams for golf, tennis, basketball, swimming & diving, cross-country, track & field, etc. etc. etc. And you'd celebrate transgendered guys being able to compete with the very best athletes around, regardless of their gender! Am I right?

No. No you're not right.

"No. We believe wanting to see America being made racist again is somehow racist."

Here we go again... TRANSLATION: "Everybody who likes President Trump is automatically a racist!" How BORING can you possibly get?

Well, actually...yes. Everybody who likes President Trump is most likely a racist.

"Yes, she spoke to the women's chapter of one Klan chapter, but she was speaking about birth control."

TRANSLATION: Margaret Sanger is proof that you can be a racist bigot and STILL support a woman's right to choose (abortion!)

Since you can be anti-choice but not a bigot, I guess it stands to reason that you can be pro-choice and a bigot. But no, Margaret Sanger - who worked with black civil rights leaders of the era - is not proof of that. She made one speech to a group she shouldn't have had anything to do with. That doesn't make her a racist any more than your repeated lies about her supporting genocide against blacks do.

"Remember, she couldn't even vote until her fifties anyway."

Margaret Sanger was born in 1879. In the Republican Party-dominated state of Wyoming, women could already vote in 1869!

The state of Wyoming didn't exist until 1890, Dump. In the territory of Wyoming, women could vote starting in 1869. A few other Western states gave women the vote prior to the passage of the 19th amendment in 1920. But Margaret Sanger was from New York, ergo she couldn't vote until 1920 (when she was 41 - yes, I got her age wrong, but my point stands).

Incidentally, if you're thinking of arguing that Wyoming being the first state to give women the vote reflects well on Republicans, guess again. They just did it as a marketing ploy to entice women to move to Wyoming, as there was a shortage of them in that part of the country.

"They weren't Klansmen; they were their wives."

So... Margaret Sanger spoke to a group of women whose husbands were ALL members of the Ku Kux Klan - but that didn't make those women racist, correct?

No, if they were married to Klansmen, they most likely were racist. But I never said otherwise.

Because just because your husband is an active member of a racist hate-group, and you're a member of a group of KKK wives, has nothing to do with any racism on your part, is that it?

No one said that, Dump.

[dan_c00000 writes: "He was so embarrassed that he threatened me with violence and then said something anti-Semitic."

This is why nobody takes you seriously on this forum, Dan.

I didn't see the incident he's referring to, but it passes the smell test!

 

[icanhelp1]

What has the one to do with the other?



No, Dumpington. The vast majority of abortions happen in the early weeks of pregnancy, when - despite the propaganda you seem to live on - there is no heartbeat. Mind you, the percentage of abortions that happen in those early weeks would be even higher if it weren't for all the roadblocks anti-choicers have put up (unnecessary counseling, waiting periods, etc.)



No, they don't want to go back to the days of back alley abortions. Which IS what will happen if Roe is overturned. You're not going to stop abortion, you're just going to stop safe abortions.



First of all, Feminists for Life is a bullshit front group. Secondly, a man can't possibly have the same relationship to his wife or daughter that a woman has to an embryo in her own damn body. Even you can surely see that.


If you don't like abortion, don't have one. Problem solved.



No, it is not scientifically correct to say life begins at conception.




For once, I have no doubt you're right. You don't see it at all.




Once again, you invent an issue where there really isn't one. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be separate sports for women and man. That's not the point at all. The point is allowing people to live as the gender they truly are. Yes, that does carry the risk of unfairness in sports as you have so ably brought up. But that is no excuse for forcing people to live in a body that is alien to them.



No. No you're not right.



Well, actually...yes. Everybody who likes President Trump is most likely a racist.



Since you can be anti-choice but not a bigot, I guess it stands to reason that you can be pro-choice and a bigot. But no, Margaret Sanger - who worked with black civil rights leaders of the era - is not proof of that. She made one speech to a group she shouldn't have had anything to do with. That doesn't make her a racist any more than your repeated lies about her supporting genocide against blacks do.


The state of Wyoming didn't exist until 1890, Dump. In the territory of Wyoming, women could vote starting in 1869. A few other Western states gave women the vote prior to the passage of the 19th amendment in 1920. But Margaret Sanger was from New York, ergo she couldn't vote until 1920 (when she was 41 - yes, I got her age wrong, but my point stands).

Incidentally, if you're thinking of arguing that Wyoming being the first state to give women the vote reflects well on Republicans, guess again. They just did it as a marketing ploy to entice women to move to Wyoming, as there was a shortage of them in that part of the country.

No, if they were married to Klansmen, they most likely were racist. But I never said otherwise.


No one said that, Dump.



I didn't see the incident he's referring to, but it passes the smell test!

I follow you and Dump and I find your conversations interesting from both sides of the issue. I have my opinions on the subject matter but I mostly choose to just observe. I also found your comment that if you like Trump you're probably racist quite disturbing, offensive and insulting. Well, you lost credibility with me. You have a real talent to express yourself and your views, so I take you at your word that you bunch people who voted Trump or agree with some of his policies as bigots. The word 'like' has many connotations and since you didn't define your use I assume it to be all of Trump supporters. Your a smart guy but you changed my opinion somewhat on your credibility. Your use of Ad-hominem doesn't strengthen your argument.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "No, Dumpington. The vast majority of abortions happen in the early weeks of pregnancy"

Americans are more divided on the abortion issue early in a pregnancy. But the LATER you get, when you can actually SEE the living child in its mother's womb, moving around with its fingers & toes - where the FULL HORROR of an abortion procedure comes through! And the modern Democratic Party & its Planned Parenthood allies are pushing for later & later abortions, right up until the moment of birth!

"You're not going to stop abortion, you're just going to stop safe abortions."

You sound just like one of those proponents for legalized prostitution - "women are going to sell their bodies for sex no matter WHAT laws we pass, so we may as well make it safe & legal" - you have to draw a line somewhere, only the modern Democratic Party is unable to do so!

"First of all, Feminists for Life is a bullshit front group."

The Islamic religion wholeheartedly agrees with you in its disdain for feminism - Islam claims that it's the right of a woman's father, brothers, and husband to control her behavior (including her very existence, if need be). They call it "honor killing" in that culture. And YOU are now arguing that a woman possesses that very same right in controlling the legal existence of the living baby residing in her womb!

"If you don't like abortion, don't have one. Problem solved."

Again, you're using the same argument to push legalized prostitution as to push for late-term abortion: "if you don't like prostitution, don't go to a whorehouse. Problem solved." I can understand better now why Judeo-Christian morality offends you.

"No, it is not scientifically correct to say life begins at conception."

When something has a beating heart, it's alive.

"No one is arguing that there shouldn't be separate sports for women and man."

You refuse to say WHY that is! You want transgendered guys to win in competitions designed exclusively for women! But WHY? You refuse to say WHY it's important for men & women to compete separately! You CAN'T openly acknowledge what you KNOW to be a travesty, because the political-progressives would then come after you, wouldn't they? They'd label you a "transphobe!"

Look, YDB95 - just admit that you're a hypocrite who doesn't seriously care about girls losing to guys in athletic competitions that are supposed to be just for girls, because I can see that you desperately desire to remain in the good graces of the increasingly pro-transgendered Democratic Party! I'll understand your predicament and not pester you any longer over this gross injustice being pushed by the wackos on the left.

"Everybody who likes President Trump is most likely a racist. "

Yes, and everybody not celebrating Craig Telfer's NCAA Division II Track & Field title in the women's 400-hurdles defeating seven REAL girls is "transphobic!" Again, THIS kind of silliness is why Donald Trump won in 2020!

"I guess it stands to reason that you can be pro-choice and a bigot."

And Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was clearly BOTH!

"Incidentally, if you're thinking of arguing that Wyoming being the first state to give women the vote reflects well on Republicans, guess again. They just did it as a marketing ploy to entice women to move to Wyoming, as there was a shortage of them in that part of the country."

Fair enough. And was the Republican Party's ending slavery (and passing the 13th amendment to our U.S. Constitution) also a "marketing ploy" in your opinion? And what if Democratic Party-controlled urban areas in the deep south had created "Sanctuary Cities" to keep slavery legal in places like Atlanta & New Orleans? Would THAT have been legal, in your view?

icanhelp1 writes: "I also found your comment that if you like Trump you're probably racist quite disturbing, offensive and insulting."

I agree 100%. It's a cheap way out of an argument.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "No, Dumpington. The vast majority of abortions happen in the early weeks of pregnancy"

Americans are more divided on the abortion issue early in a pregnancy. But the LATER you get, when you can actually SEE the living child in its mother's womb, moving around with its fingers & toes - where the FULL HORROR of an abortion procedure comes through! And the modern Democratic Party & its Planned Parenthood allies are pushing for later & later abortions, right up until the moment of birth!

Not true. What they are doing is pushing back against the propaganda from people like you that's designed to stir up disgust and horror over a situation that hardly ever occurs - and when it does, it's because the baby would have no hope for anything resembling a normal life, or would kill its mother, or both. You clearly know NOTHING about what women who have late term abortions go through. Try reading about their experience. It's nothing like what you clearly think.

"You're not going to stop abortion, you're just going to stop safe abortions."

You sound just like one of those proponents for legalized prostitution - "women are going to sell their bodies for sex no matter WHAT laws we pass, so we may as well make it safe & legal" - you have to draw a line somewhere, only the modern Democratic Party is unable to do so!

It's not your place to say where that line ought to be. Besides, you don't want to draw a line, you want to ban abortion entirely.

"First of all, Feminists for Life is a bullshit front group."

The Islamic religion wholeheartedly agrees with you in its disdain for feminism - Islam claims that it's the right of a woman's father, brothers, and husband to control her behavior (including her very existence, if need be). They call it "honor killing" in that culture. And YOU are now arguing that a woman possesses that very same right in controlling the legal existence of the living baby residing in her womb!

Nope. Not even close.

"If you don't like abortion, don't have one. Problem solved."

Again, you're using the same argument to push legalized prostitution as to push for late-term abortion: "if you don't like prostitution, don't go to a whorehouse. Problem solved." I can understand better now why Judeo-Christian morality offends you.

I am a Christian. What offends me is people like you perverting the teachings of my faith. You know what Christ said about abortion? Absolutely nothing.

"No, it is not scientifically correct to say life begins at conception."

When something has a beating heart, it's alive.

Which an embryo DOESN'T have until much later than you clearly think.

"No one is arguing that there shouldn't be separate sports for women and man."

You refuse to say WHY that is! You want transgendered guys to win in competitions designed exclusively for women!

For the nine millionth time, at least get your terminology straight. No, I don't want transgendered men to win in competitions exclusively for women, because transgendered men aren't women. They're men. They were born with female bodies, but they're men.

"Everybody who likes President Trump is most likely a racist. "

Yes, and everybody not celebrating Craig Telfer's NCAA Division II Track & Field title in the women's 400-hurdles defeating seven REAL girls is "transphobic!" Again, THIS kind of silliness is why Donald Trump won in 2020!

Trump won in 2020, did he? Did Marty and Doc Brown tell you that the last time you had a beer with them?

"I guess it stands to reason that you can be pro-choice and a bigot."

And Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was clearly BOTH!

Read a book about her already. There are several excellent ones out there.

"Incidentally, if you're thinking of arguing that Wyoming being the first state to give women the vote reflects well on Republicans, guess again. They just did it as a marketing ploy to entice women to move to Wyoming, as there was a shortage of them in that part of the country."

Fair enough. And was the Republican Party's ending slavery (and passing the 13th amendment to our U.S. Constitution) also a "marketing ploy" in your opinion?

Of course not. That's an apples and oranges comparison.

 

[YDB95]

I follow you and Dump and I find your conversations interesting from both sides of the issue. I have my opinions on the subject matter but I mostly choose to just observe. I also found your comment that if you like Trump you're probably racist quite disturbing, offensive and insulting. Well, you lost credibility with me. You have a real talent to express yourself and your views, so I take you at your word that you bunch people who voted Trump or agree with some of his policies as bigots. The word 'like' has many connotations and since you didn't define your use I assume it to be all of Trump supporters. Your a smart guy but you changed my opinion somewhat on your credibility. Your use of Ad-hominem doesn't strengthen your argument.

Okay, I can see why that stings. All I can tell you is what it looks like from where I stand.

Anyone who still likes Trump at this stage has had four years since that ride down the golden escalator at the Trump Tower to see just who and what he really is. In that very first speech, he used dehumanizing language to refer to Mexicans. (As I've noted before, that's exactly how Hitler started out his campaign against the Jews. The German people did not just wake up one morning and decide to murder six million people.) Literally in the first minutes of his campaign. He then went on to call for a ban on Muslim immigration, to question a judge's impartiality because the judge was of Mexican descent, and to hire known white supremacists like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

Since his election, racist and xenophobic violence has been steadily on the rise, and he has only encouraged it. (No one who has read any of Dumpington's nonsense about illegal voting could very well miss that!) He's spread lies about MS13 and the "caravan" from Honduras, he's referred to developing countries as "shithole countries", and you don't need me to tell you about the families he's literally ripped apart (and then lied about not continuing to do it). Even when he had the opportunity to denounce the racists in Charlottesville who caused actual bloodshed, all he would say was that there were "very fine people on both sides".

Now, is everyone who voted for him a racist? I don't know. I can't see into anyone else's heart. What I do know is that they were willing to vote for a man who ran the most unapologetically bigoted campaign in modern history, and who has continued to govern accordingly ever since he was elected. My wife is a woman of color from a non-English speaking country, and I fear for her safety when she travels to the US on work (we live overseas). So I just don't have any sympathy for anyone who seriously wants to argue that Trump isn't racist. Maybe you voted for him for other reasons, but you still voted for an unrepentant racist. You can live with the flack that's going to stir up.

 

[icanhelp1]

Okay, I can see why that stings. All I can tell you is what it looks like from where I stand.

Anyone who still likes Trump at this stage has had four years since that ride down the golden escalator at the Trump Tower to see just who and what he really is. In that very first speech, he used dehumanizing language to refer to Mexicans. (As I've noted before, that's exactly how Hitler started out his campaign against the Jews. The German people did not just wake up one morning and decide to murder six million people.) Literally in the first minutes of his campaign. He then went on to call for a ban on Muslim immigration, to question a judge's impartiality because the judge was of Mexican descent, and to hire known white supremacists like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

Since his election, racist and xenophobic violence has been steadily on the rise, and he has only encouraged it. (No one who has read any of Dumpington's nonsense about illegal voting could very well miss that!) He's spread lies about MS13 and the "caravan" from Honduras, he's referred to developing countries as "shithole countries", and you don't need me to tell you about the families he's literally ripped apart (and then lied about not continuing to do it). Even when he had the opportunity to denounce the racists in Charlottesville who caused actual bloodshed, all he would say was that there were "very fine people on both sides".

Now, is everyone who voted for him a racist? I don't know. I can't see into anyone else's heart. What I do know is that they were willing to vote for a man who ran the most unapologetically bigoted campaign in modern history, and who has continued to govern accordingly ever since he was elected. My wife is a woman of color from a non-English speaking country, and I fear for her safety when she travels to the US on work (we live overseas). So I just don't have any sympathy for anyone who seriously wants to argue that Trump isn't racist. Maybe you voted for him for other reasons, but you still voted for an unrepentant racist. You can live with the flack that's going to stir up.

Well, your entitled to your opinion. You're a Trump hater and that's your prerogative. I guess I could spend a whole page on Obama and Hillary and many of their inadequacies, comments, innuendo and false promises but it's not worth the time.

Having had a military secret clearance, Hillary using an unsecured server to conduct some of the most sensitive state business and run the state department on that server was so careless. But what bothered me the most was being describes by her as a deplorable or linked to a basket of deplorables, over 60 million of us. That coming from one of the most dishonest individuals in american politics.

Say what you want about Trump, but I researched both and many of us wanted something other than a run of the mill politician. I'm not going to waste time defending Trump, those opinions will never change, but being a career military individual and seeing how our military was literally dismantled to the point it was becoming a national security issue and questioned as to whether we could defend our nation I chose to run with this dog. Having a strong America kind of keeps our friends safe as well.

There's a lot of hypocrisy and double standards out there. What I found startling was the likes of Maxine Waters one of the most corrupt politicians since 2005, calling for Trump's impeachment before he was even inaugurated. She and her democrat cronies have no credibility. They talk opinion and innuendo but short on self reflection.

Spare me the Trump rhetoric, like I said, I could spend pages and pages just on Hillary. She lost and for good reason. Trump is going to win in 2020 not because he is the ideal candidate but because of the incessant investigations by political hacks and hypocrites, like Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer just to name a few. The Mueller report just wasn't enough, the hate is deep.

I think ( don't really know ) the reason you find Trump is racist is because of the repetitious and disingenuous rhetoric by loud mouth racist in their own right. At the beginning and during the campaign between Hillary and Trump, I never had ill will towards Hillary voters, I do now. The deep state coup set up by the Obama regime is going to be expose as to just how low they are. I've studied the legal aspects of FISA, the Mueller report and what's going on now. The other shoe is about to drop and the American people will be in shock and awe. Just look at what's going on at the border and the failure to legislate, I've never seen anything like it,TDS is ruining this country.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "You clearly know NOTHING about what women who have late term abortions go through. Try reading about their experience. It's nothing like what you clearly think."

What you're saying here is that a mother who wants to kill her unborn baby deserves our sympathy & understanding, and I agree - but that doesn't make it right. Back in October of 1994, Susan Smith of South Carolina let her car roll into a lake, drowning her two small boys: three-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alexander. At her trial the defense argued that she was suffering from dependent personality disorder and major depression. I don't doubt any of that. She was still convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison (and will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024.)

"It's not your place to say where that line ought to be. Besides, you don't want to draw a line, you want to ban abortion entirely."

What I want is of no consequence. State legislatures, however, have the power to ban abortions, just as the U.S. Supreme Court has the power to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

"Nope. Not even close."

You're avoiding the issue. Islamic Sharia Law says that fathers, brothers, & husbands have control over the lives of the women in their households, including the power of life & death (see: "honor killings"). While I'm (fairly) certain that you OPPOSE Islamic Sharia Law, do you believe that a woman has control over the life of the unborn baby in her womb, including the power of life & death (e.g. ABORTION?)

"You know what Christ said about abortion? Absolutely nothing."

You're just being silly now. Jesus ALSO said absolutely nothing about opioid abuse, guys who want to win medals competing against girls, and the harmful effects of cyber-bullying. Had he brought up any of those issues in 30 A.D. I'm pretty sure his listeners wouldn't have had the faintest idea what he was talking about.

"I don't want transgendered men to win in competitions exclusively for women, because transgendered men aren't women. They're men. They were born with female bodies, but they're men."

FACTS: in 2018, Craig Telfer was a GUY competing on the Franklin Pierce University men's track & field team, and not winning any medals. But in May of 2019, Craig was now calling himself "Cece Telfer," and winning an NCAA Division II title in the women's 400-hurdles! He was a MAN, claiming to be a WOMAN, while competing in a women's track & field championship event with a MAN'S body!

"Trump won in 2020, did he? Did Marty and Doc Brown tell you that the last time you had a beer with them?"

Okay, that was a typo. Trump won in 2016 - but YES, he's ALSO going to defeat whatever nobody the Democrats nominate in 2020.

"Read a book about her already. There are several excellent ones out there."

You want me to read a book about racist Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger? And perhaps I can then read books about Ku Kux Klan 'Exalted Cyclops' Robert Byrd (the last KKK leader to have an American president deliver the eulogy at his funeral), and then read books about the many other segregationist leaders of the Democratic Party?

I don't think so...

 

[Boxlicker101]

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The Hyde amendment does work against poor women, but not particularly against women of color. It applies regardless of race.

There is a way around the Hyde Amendment, if the state involved wants to take it. I don't know exactly how it works, but I do know that when I worked for MediCAL in the 1980"s and before, I processed hundreds of payments for providers of abortions. Other states can do the same thing as CA was doing back then.

 

[Dumpington]

Boxlicker101 writes: "The Hyde amendment does work against poor women, but not particularly against women of color. It applies regardless of race."

There are NO MODERATES running for the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination anymore - Joe Biden, despite being a HUGE LIBERAL, was the last "common sense" candidate that party had, but he's being pulled further & further to the far-left by the host of nobodies opposing him, which explains this enormous flip-flop of his regarding the federal government funding abortions.

Back in 1992, Tennessee U.S. Senator Al Gore was actually PRO-LIFE, as he'd been throughout his political career. But then, that summer, Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton won his party's presidential nomination, and asked Gore to be his running-mate... IF Al Gore would FLIP-FLOP and become pro-choice! And yes, Al Gore did it, because political power meant more to him than any lifetime moral principals against abortion! And now it's Joe Biden's turn...

Meanwhile, there's a good reason why liberal Democrats equate black Americans with POOR AMERICANS, and that's because they WANT to see black Americans remain forever dependent on receiving federal government hand-outs, because (as former president Lyndon Johnson famously said) that will: "keep those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next two-hundred years!" And for a while LBJ's plan actually appeared to be working - BUT NOT ANYMORE! President Trump is offering black Americans JOBS instead of food stamps!

Black voter support for Hillary Clinton was noticeably SHALLOW in 2016, and it's only going to get WORSE for whatever old white Democrat ends up winning that party's 2020 presidential nomination!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "You clearly know NOTHING about what women who have late term abortions go through. Try reading about their experience. It's nothing like what you clearly think."

What you're saying here is that a mother who wants to kill her unborn baby deserves our sympathy & understanding, and I agree - but that doesn't make it right.

No. Abortion is not infanticide, and there is literally no evidence that anyone has ever had an elective late-term abortion. The whole reason why the anti-choice movement has focused on the extremely rare practice of late-term abortion is to stir up outrage among people like you, when the reality is it hardly ever happens and when it does happen, it's for medically sound reasons. Here as elsewhere, you're just being willfully ignorant.

Back in October of 1994, Susan Smith of South Carolina let her car roll into a lake, drowning her two small boys: three-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alexander. At her trial the defense argued that she was suffering from dependent personality disorder and major depression. I don't doubt any of that. She was still convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison (and will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024.)

I remember it well. Newt Gingrich (of whom I am sure you're a big fan) horned in on that case to say it was an example of what liberalism had done to our society...only it turned out Smith's problem was she'd been molested by her stepfather - whose politics were a lot like yours.

"It's not your place to say where that line ought to be. Besides, you don't want to draw a line, you want to ban abortion entirely."

What I want is of no consequence. State legislatures, however, have the power to ban abortions, just as the U.S. Supreme Court has the power to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

Until and unless Roe is overturned, they don't, actually. What they can do is throw up roadblocks, which is what we have been seeing here. (The latest: in Missouri, they're requiring a second pelvic exam, which is medically unnecessary and clearly designed to do nothing but dissuade a woman from choosing an abortion in the first place.)

You're avoiding the issue. Islamic Sharia Law says that fathers, brothers, & husbands have control over the lives of the women in their households, including the power of life & death (see: "honor killings"). While I'm (fairly) certain that you OPPOSE Islamic Sharia Law, do you believe that a woman has control over the life of the unborn baby in her womb, including the power of life & death (e.g. ABORTION?)

You're the one who can't tell a clump of tissue from a human being. By opposing abortion rights, you're just calling for the government to have she same domain over women that men have under Sharia law.

"You know what Christ said about abortion? Absolutely nothing."

You're just being silly now. Jesus ALSO said absolutely nothing about opioid abuse, guys who want to win medals competing against girls, and the harmful effects of cyber-bullying. Had he brought up any of those issues in 30 A.D. I'm pretty sure his listeners wouldn't have had the faintest idea what he was talking about.

If you're implying that abortion didn't exist in that era, that's incorrect. The ancient Greeks had it, hundreds of years before.

"I don't want transgendered men to win in competitions exclusively for women, because transgendered men aren't women. They're men. They were born with female bodies, but they're men."

FACTS: in 2018, Craig Telfer was a GUY competing on the Franklin Pierce University men's track & field team, and not winning any medals. But in May of 2019, Craig was now calling himself "Cece Telfer," and winning an NCAA Division II title in the women's 400-hurdles! He was a MAN, claiming to be a WOMAN, while competing in a women's track & field championship event with a MAN'S body!

FACT: The existence of one person who may have abused the recognition of transsexuality as a real thing does not mean, well, anything beyond that one case. And I think you know it, which is why you won't shut up about that one case while ignoring each and every other thing anyone else has said about this issue (and continuing to misgender heaven knows how many people to boot).

"Trump won in 2020, did he? Did Marty and Doc Brown tell you that the last time you had a beer with them?"
Okay, that was a typo. Trump won in 2016 - but YES, he's ALSO going to defeat whatever nobody the Democrats nominate in 2020.

Does this mean you've given up on your assumption that it will be Biden? I don't blame you, he's had a rough week. But you don't know what's going to happen. None of us does.

"Read a book about her already. There are several excellent ones out there."

You want me to read a book about racist Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger? And perhaps I can then read books about Ku Kux Klan 'Exalted Cyclops' Robert Byrd (the last KKK leader to have an American president deliver the eulogy at his funeral), and then read books about the many other segregationist leaders of the Democratic Party?

I don't think so...

I don't think so either. You might actually learn something to inform your opinions, and we can't have that!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "No. Abortion is not infanticide, and there is literally no evidence that anyone has ever had an elective late-term abortion."

Planned Parenthood (and the rest of the abortion lobby) is outraged at all of those U.S. states making it more difficult to keep the abortion industry going, and so they've been actively pushing for later & later abortion services, including right up until the baby is actually delivered! New York state passed a VERY LATE-TERM abortion law earlier this year, which actually had all of the pro-abortion legislators CHEERING in the aisles! And Virginia's Democrat governor actually talked on the radio about delivering a child and then allowing the mother & her doctor to discuss whether or not to keep it alive. That is, in fact, INFANTICIDE!

"...it turned out Smith's problem was she'd been molested by her stepfather - whose politics were a lot like yours."

That is so INCREDIBLY STUPID YDB95 - why are you trying to sound like Dan all of a sudden? Susan Smith's stepfather was NOTHING like me, but you have to go there in order to make your sick/twisted political views somehow make sense? In your view, she was simply ABORTING her two small boys several years/months after they were born, is that it? Seriously, if you have nothing sensible to say about something don't make things up!

"Until and unless Roe is overturned, they don't, actually."

Just be happy that the U.S. Senate didn't believe Dr. Christina Blasey-Ford's lies - and confirmed the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to our U.S. Supreme Court! And then, in November of 2018, along with the departure of anti-Trump RINOS McCain, Corker, & Flake, the pro-abortion left ALSO lost Democratic Party U.S. Senate seats in Florida, Missouri, & North Dakota! And so, when Ruth Bader-Ginsburg leaves sometime in the near future, President Trump should have NO TROUBLE confirming a pro-life nominee to replace her!

"By opposing abortion rights, you're just calling for the government to have she same domain over women that men have under Sharia law."

Swing-and-a-miss! If, as you suggest, Islam was in any ways anti-abortion, the Democratic Party would have NEVER allowed for the election of two female Islamic women to the U.S. House of Representatives! Ilhan Omar (and the other one) are both openly PRO-ABORTION! The ONLY pro-life Democrat left in the House is that guy from Illinois, whom the party is refusing to help get re-elected!

"If you're implying that abortion didn't exist in that era, that's incorrect. The ancient Greeks had it, hundreds of years before."

Yes, Planned Parenthood in ancient Sparta used to leave the living babies on the mountainside to die a natural death. Did the ancient pro-abortion Spartans also practice the same brand of racism as was promoted by U.S. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger? Yes, I'm sure they probably did!

"And I think you know it, which is why you won't shut up about that one case while ignoring each and every other thing anyone else has said about this issue..."

This transgendered-athlete's issue is tearing apart the liberals in the Democratic Party. Feminists do NOT want guys taking over women's sports! And you REFUSE to answer my question about why not have just ONE UNISEX TEAM competing in each & every sport? We both KNOW the answer, but you're afraid to address the issue! You'll either look foolish or grossly hypocritical!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "No. Abortion is not infanticide, and there is literally no evidence that anyone has ever had an elective late-term abortion."

Planned Parenthood (and the rest of the abortion lobby) is outraged at all of those U.S. states making it more difficult to keep the abortion industry going, and so they've been actively pushing for later & later abortion services, including right up until the baby is actually delivered!

And yet you can't point to a single case of that ever actually happening. Maybe all these last-minute abortionists are in cahoots with all those millions of illegal voters that you can't actually find anywhere?!

What Planned Parenthood is outraged at is some states doing an end run around Roe, and using inflammatory cases like late-term abortion to obscure the reality that almost all abortions happen in the early stages of pregnancy, and that most Americans want them to remain safe and legal.

Seriously, Dumpington, have you ever even heard of an elective late term abortion? Not the laws permitting it, but having it actually happen?

New York state passed a VERY LATE-TERM abortion law earlier this year, which actually had all of the pro-abortion legislators CHEERING in the aisles!

I think - in fact I'm quite certain - you've got the wrong idea about what they were cheering about. It was a clear sign that even if the Republicans succeed in making The Handmaid's Tale come true elsewhere, it won't be happening in NY.

And Virginia's Democrat governor actually talked on the radio about delivering a child and then allowing the mother & her doctor to discuss whether or not to keep it alive. That is, in fact, INFANTICIDE!

No, Dumpington. He was talking about a hypothetical example in an extreme situation that almost certainly wouldn't ever happen for real - unless people like you are allowed to throw up more roadblocks before a woman can make an informed decision.

"...it turned out Smith's problem was she'd been molested by her stepfather - whose politics were a lot like yours."

That is so INCREDIBLY STUPID YDB95 - why are you trying to sound like Dan all of a sudden? Susan Smith's stepfather was NOTHING like me, but you have to go there in order to make your sick/twisted political views somehow make sense?

He was an active member of his local Christian Coalition chapter. That does sound an awful lot like you, whether you like it or not! Think about it.

In your view, she was simply ABORTING her two small boys several years/months after they were born, is that it? Seriously, if you have nothing sensible to say about something don't make things up!

Nope. No one thinks anything remotely like that except people like you who are obsessed with ending abortion.

"Until and unless Roe is overturned, they don't, actually."

Just be happy that the U.S. Senate didn't believe Dr. Christina Blasey-Ford's lies - and confirmed the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to our U.S. Supreme Court! And then, in November of 2018, along with the departure of anti-Trump RINOS McCain, Corker, & Flake, the pro-abortion left ALSO lost Democratic Party U.S. Senate seats in Florida, Missouri, & North Dakota! And so, when Ruth Bader-Ginsburg leaves sometime in the near future, President Trump should have NO TROUBLE confirming a pro-life nominee to replace her!

Do you have any idea how distasteful it sounds the way you talk about RBG as if she's already dead? Geez. And what do you make of the pro-Kavanaugh incumbent who lost in Nevada? Or the open seat in Arizona that they lost? Or that incumbent Democrats in your beloved Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania all won easily after voting against the rapist? So the Dems lost some seats in heavily red states. It's not a sign of any sea change, much as you clearly want to believe it is.

"By opposing abortion rights, you're just calling for the government to have she same domain over women that men have under Sharia law."

Swing-and-a-miss! If, as you suggest, Islam was in any ways anti-abortion, the Democratic Party would have NEVER allowed for the election of two female Islamic women to the U.S. House of Representatives! Ilhan Omar (and the other one) are both openly PRO-ABORTION!

Which only goes to show Islam is like all religions in that respect: not all of its adherents agree with their church. I'm Catholic and I sure as heck don't agree with the Pope on everything.

The ONLY pro-life Democrat left in the House is that guy from Illinois, whom the party is refusing to help get re-elected!

Yes, and I'll be damn glad to see him go. That's a Democratic district, it ought to elect a real Democrat.

"If you're implying that abortion didn't exist in that era, that's incorrect. The ancient Greeks had it, hundreds of years before."

Yes, Planned Parenthood in ancient Sparta used to leave the living babies on the mountainside to die a natural death. Did the ancient pro-abortion Spartans also practice the same brand of racism as was promoted by U.S. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger? Yes, I'm sure they probably did!

I think you probably know this, but I was not referring to leaving babies in the wild to die. I was referring to abortion, which isn't the same thing except in your misinformed imagination.

"And I think you know it, which is why you won't shut up about that one case while ignoring each and every other thing anyone else has said about this issue..."

This transgendered-athlete's issue is tearing apart the liberals in the Democratic Party.

Well, I can't deny you're an expert on what's happening inside the progressive movement, Dump. You've got me there.

Feminists do NOT want guys taking over women's sports!

Fortunately, guys aren't doing that.

And you REFUSE to answer my question about why not have just ONE UNISEX TEAM competing in each & every sport? We both KNOW the answer, but you're afraid to address the issue! You'll either look foolish or grossly hypocritical!

No, I just recognize that it's a very different situation here, and you're trying to make it the same when it just isn't.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Seriously, Dumpington, have you ever even heard of an elective late term abortion?"

You will loyally support WHATEVER the abortion-industry providers ask for, including infanticide - just so long as they give it a nice-sounding name! The Nazi Germans, for example, didn't use the word "Holocaust" - far too brutal - and so they instead called their systematic murder of six-million Jews "the Final Solution!"

And the folks at Planned Parenthood did NOT want to admit to being "PRO-ABORTION" - as that phrase just sounded way too horrific - and so instead they came up with the much nicer-sounding "pro-choice" moniker.

"It was a clear sign that even if the Republicans succeed in making The Handmaid's Tale come true elsewhere, it won't be happening in NY."

That's an EXCELLENT example of somebody writing a story designed to make murdering unborn babies appear to be a POSITIVE THING for our society, YDB95! Yes, infanticide can actually be made to appear like something that's empowering to women, can't it?

"No, Dumpington. He was talking about a hypothetical example..."

Maybe you can write a pleasant little book titled "The Handmaid's Tale II" - all about Virginia's Democratic Party governor Northam delivering a baby and then discussing with the mother how they'll let it die of exposure on a mountainside. And it can be all about empowering women!

"He was an active member of his local Christian Coalition chapter. That does sound an awful lot like you, whether you like it or not! Think about it."

And what's THAT got to do with her murdering her two small children? I don't care if he was the former vice-president of the United States under Barack Obama, and he used to smell her hair at night while fondling her! Susan Smith took the lives of two innocent little kids - and WITHOUT the services of Planned Parenthood!

"...obsessed with ending abortion."

And there were people in Europe during the Nazi occupation who were "obsessed with saving the lives of Jews!"

"Do you have any idea how distasteful it sounds the way you talk about RBG as if she's already dead?"

WHO SAYS that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has to die? Brett Kavanaugh replaced a STILL-LIVING Justice Anthony Kennedy in the summer of '18! Why must you focus on DEATH all of the time time? Could it be because of your ongoing enthusiastic support of late-term abortion?

"I'm Catholic and I sure as heck don't agree with the Pope on everything."

I'm Catholic, too - a pro-life Catholic - and it's not like the church only began opposing abortion after Francis became Pope! By the way, the ONLY reason why Pelosi, Biden, Tim Kaine, and the many other pro-abortion Catholic Democrats still call themselves Catholics is to attract Catholic-votes at election time. They all abandoned the church several decades ago!

"Yes, and I'll be damn glad to see him go. That's a Democratic district, it ought to elect a real Democrat."

Thank you for ADMITTING that Planned Parenthood & the abortion-providers OWN the modern Democratic Party, hook, line, & sinker!

"Well, I can't deny you're an expert on what's happening inside the progressive movement, Dump. You've got me there."

I'm going to ask you AGAIN: why not have one UNI-SEX athletics team for every sport - where men, women, & transgendered guys can all compete together? I know it's a terrible idea, but I want to hear why YOU think it is! You can't be honest here without admitting that you're either a hypocrite or full of sh*t!