Am I Abstruse....

[Alex756]

It's even less than that...it's ONE day!!! The morning the found out he was cheating with her best friend...then she finds out the folder on the computer and at night she has him killed.


Believe it or not...but this guy is real...he exist for real!!!



Thanks for saying the writing was good...it was soo hard to write.
So, should I write another part with HIS pov?

OK its hard to believe from the evidence presented.

I just finished reading a book on plot and character by Orson scott card and he made a very good point, writing fiction is not about what happened, its about what happens. We never know other real people like we know our characters. We know their motivations more than we could ever know a flesh and blood person. In fiction we can't cite that such and such really happened, we have to make it believeable.

I know I have a hard time believing a change that fast, not out of no where. If you read the PCs, it seems like alot of people are having a believablility problem, they don't seem to know how the characters should act. punishments seem out of character and unbelievable, character changes seem unbelievable and out of character.

It might just need more explaining of WHY and HOW the change happened.

~Alex

 

[LadyCibelle]

Honey, the last thing you ever want to be is Me............oh, I see......thought you were havinging an identitiy crisis.....Um...nevermind...carryon.....

As I said to Miss Malone last night...It might do me good to have some of you in me Miss Abs. I've seen the way people react to you, how much you are loved, and you don't take shit from anyone..

Can I become your understudy?

 

[cantdog]

Yes, I'm afraid I agree with Alex here. It's a craftsmanship issue, I think. But you can do it, or other things like it, with practice and reflection. You have the basic skills. Orson Scott Card's books about writing are very good ones, by the way. No one can map out the way another person's mind will ultimately go about a task, but he can show you things just the same. People here are sometimes willing to critique, too, an even to help, directly, on occasion.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

As I said to Miss Malone last night...It might do me good to have some of you in me Miss Abs. I've seen the way people react to you, how much you are loved, and you don't take shit from anyone..

Can I become your understudy?

Just stalk me and learn.

It still surprises me no one has attempted to assasinate me yet. Sadists.

 

[cloudy]

Just stalk me and learn.

It still surprises me no one has attempted to assasinate me yet. Sadists.

ooh! Another sarcastybitch in training!

We'll assimilate 'em all!

 

[ABSTRUSE]

ooh! Another sarcastybitch in training!

We'll assimilate 'em all!

I like cults.

Sarcastybitches unite!!!

 

[LadyCibelle]

Yes, I'm afraid I agree with Alex here. It's a craftsmanship issue, I think. But you can do it, or other things like it, with practice and reflection. You have the basic skills. Orson Scott Card's books about writing are very good ones, by the way. No one can map out the way another person's mind will ultimately go about a task, but he can show you things just the same. People here are sometimes willing to critique, too, an even to help, directly, on occasion.

I'll take a look at those books next time I go to the library.
It probably was too hard a story for me to start with...also the fact that most of it really happened...yeah I know, hard to believe but reality is stranger than fiction sometimes.

So, really, should I write another chapter with HIS thoughts? I mean, do you think it would make the reader see better what I was trying to get at?

 

[LadyCibelle]

I like cults.

Sarcastybitches unite!!!

Ready to pay my membership fee.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Ready to pay my membership fee.

It's one scathing insult and you're in....make me proud.

 

[LadyCibelle]

It's one scathing insult and you're in....make me proud.

Hell is a better place since you decided to stay here.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

or is the reader obtuse?

Do I have too much faith on the reader's intelligence to be able to understand arrogance, irony, sarcasm in a story? Honestly I don't know.

My story Pop Goes the Weasel Ch. 2 is making me believe that the reader has 10 below the earthworm for IQ.

According to the comments I've received, public and private, most cannot understand why my female character behaved and reacted the way she did.
I thought the arrogance of the male character was as obvious as the nose in the middle of the face...seems I was wrong.

So I'm solliciting your help...you writers of great talent. Please could you read it and tell me if I was too obscure or is the reader obtuse for real.

Should I write another part to my story from the male's POV? Do you think it would be easier to understand for the reader if I did. I know I cannot please everyone and there will always be people who will complain about something or another but I'm trying to improve and if writers who have been doing it for a while tell me that I'm not clear enough I'll know the reader isn't at fault and I'm responsible for the beating my story is taking.

Basically, you signed up for a beating the moment you hit submit in the loving wives cat. Just like you sign up for homophobes from BFE when you post in M/M or Les. Just like you get racists of all stripes when you post to interracial. And we all get the occasionaly holly roller wandering through condemning us all.

I ask my readers to make logical and sometime instinctive leaps. I'm rarely disappointed. I expect my readers to have a working vocabulary beyond 2nd grad eenglish. I've never been disappointed.

There will be individuals who miss all or part of anything you don't spell out. Some people are just hard wired linear thinkers. You will get the other end of the spectrum too, those who read more into what you wrote than you intended.

I think of loving wives the cat like I do several Sub saharan African nations. Several waring factions, continuous smolering turf battles that occasionally flare into fullscale warfare, and a few loonies who go their own way despite the chaos around them.

You really enter at your own risk. When it comes to the cat, all I can say is your a better man than I am gunga din.

Don't let any of the PC's get to you. You really are faced with a graphic example of not being able to please everyone when you post here. Even the most skillfully rendered story will get hacked on because you can't appease all of the competing interpretations of what should be in the cat.

 

[LadyCibelle]

Basically, you signed up for a beating the moment you hit submit in the loving wives cat. Just like you sign up for homophobes from BFE when you post in M/M or Les. Just like you get racists of all stripes when you post to interracial. And we all get the occasionaly holly roller wandering through condemning us all.

I ask my readers to make logical and sometime instinctive leaps. I'm rarely disappointed. I expect my readers to have a working vocabulary beyond 2nd grad eenglish. I've never been disappointed.

There will be individuals who miss all or part of anything you don't spell out. Some people are just hard wired linear thinkers. You will get the other end of the spectrum too, those who read more into what you wrote than you intended.

I think of loving wives the cat like I do several Sub saharan African nations. Several waring factions, continuous smolering turf battles that occasionally flare into fullscale warfare, and a few loonies who go their own way despite the chaos around them.

You really enter at your own risk. When it comes to the cat, all I can say is your a better man than I am gunga din.

Don't let any of the PC's get to you. You really are faced with a graphic example of not being able to please everyone when you post here. Even the most skillfully rendered story will get hacked on because you can't appease all of the competing interpretations of what should be in the cat.

Wow, might be the cold I'm coming up with but what you just said brought tears to my eyes Miss Thomas.
Really, folks I can believe how nice you're all to me.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Hell is a better place since you decided to stay here.

I love you........You're in.

 

[Alex756]

Link to the book I read

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898799279/104-1486756-5529561?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance

That should be a link to the book

Characters and Viewpoint (Elements of Fiction Writing) by Orson Scott Card

The library SHOULD have it. the library close to me claims to have 2 copies, but I couldn't ever find one, so I ended up buying it from Amazon. Its really a great book. It made me think about things with characters I had never thought of.

In all honesty I have a story I can't seem to finish. The problem, its based on reality. I can't make it seem right and still fit reality, if that makes any sense.

After NaNo I think I'm going to try again.

If you don't read sci fi, OSC might be an author to go under your radar, if you have time to read a novel, I would highly recomend Enchantment by him. Its more fantasy and its quasi historical, but its still his wonderful writing style.

Oh and it had one of the best explanations of POV I have ever read!

~Alex

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Never write what your readers might want to read, write what you might want to write.