Am I morphing into a right-winger?

[YDB95]

Nobody in Canada wants to change it to anythng else.

Or Australia. Our system isn't perfect, but no one here lives in fear that an illness or injury will bankrupt them.

 

[Wilson23]

You aren’t one of us and you have no idea what it’s like. I admin several large rare disease groups and the Canadas have an awful time. You can’t even get the lab tests for one of mine in Canada let alone the medication.
You’re making wild general statements about all of Canada based on your general belief of one payer systems and you call my post a lie?

All I know is, I attended a SF WorldCon in Toronto. There was a panel discussion on Canada's health care system. I asked if anyone could name a downside to it. All the panelists immediately said "No," and none of the hundreds in the room disageed.

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

Bothsidesism helps Republicans.

Thank god

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

I do think people's views can moderate or shift over time, but the way I see it is, not necessarily becoming more knee-jerk "conservative" or knee-jerk "liberal," but more independant and pragmantic in their thinking. That is, adapting the more realistic and logical views of main-line (i.e. not extreme, bigoted, hateful, etc) conservatives while rejecting the excesses of extreme liberalism (radical gender theory, marxism/anti-capitalism, violent resistence, unreasonable and/or unrealistic) economic or social policies, and so on.

I've always strove for the reasonable, practical approach to society and government, but I get called out a lot for opposing the current American regime because I find the current government policies to be illogical, detrimental, racist, and destructive (for many reasons I've already elaborated on numerous times.) I get frustrated and despairing when I see a lot of intellectually immature folks on here who adapt the extremist positions without any logical consideration, and utterly fail when it comes to logic or rationality in defending their often toxic and sometimes, outright hateful, views.

You mean groupthink????? Yup party politics is killing us ! God bless America

 

[SebastianHolt]

Nobody in Canada wants to change it to anythng else.

well you have a bunch of low end bottom feeders up there and thats bullshit. because those with means fly to america for their healthcare

 

[SebastianHolt]

New BF (man friend) has showed me the error of my ways. MAGA

being business minded is the only way to go

 

[DraggonStone]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

Why do you feel the need to pick a side?

 

[JordynRose]

The full frontal lobotomy was a success I see.

 

[nowisthetime]

Sometimes you don’t agree with everything people in your own party do, and that’s normal. That is ok! There are always disagreements within a party.

That said, we do live in a two-party system here in the States. When people look at the bigger picture including policies, priorities, and overall direction—they often decide which party aligns more with their values, even if they don’t agree with every decision.

I support the Democratic party. Why? Down to the bread and butter issues of expanding healthcare access, lowering prescription drug costs especially for the most vulnerable, supporting infrastructure improvements like roads and bridges, investing in clean energy and climate initiatives because I like my planet, protecting voting rights as people died fighting for those rights, and supporting programs such as student debt relief. Those are hallmarks of a civilized society.

It's clear which party cares about regular people vs the richest of society.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Or Australia. Our system isn't perfect, but no one here lives in fear that an illness or injury will bankrupt them.

only the stupid and lazy go bankrupt due to a illness

 

[appalachianplay1]

only the stupid and lazy go bankrupt due to a illness

Wow. You just solved a national crisis with your philosophical thought!

 

[SebastianHolt]

Wow. You just solved a national crisis with your philosophical thought!

jesus, you people are stupid.

if you have a medical bill, all it takes is $1.00 a month to stay out of collections

 

[SebastianHolt]

Sometimes you don’t agree with everything people in your own party do, and that’s normal. That is ok! There are always disagreements within a party.

That said, we do live in a two-party system here in the States. When people look at the bigger picture including policies, priorities, and overall direction—they often decide which party aligns more with their values, even if they don’t agree with every decision.

I support the Democratic party. Why? Down to the bread and butter issues of expanding healthcare access, lowering prescription drug costs especially for the most vulnerable, supporting infrastructure improvements like roads and bridges, investing in clean energy and climate initiatives because I like my planet, protecting voting rights as people died fighting for those rights, and supporting programs such as student debt relief. Those are hallmarks of a civilized society.

It's clear which party cares about regular people vs the richest of society.

so you support this as you can tax those more successful in life ie you want others to pay?

 

[Rightguide]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

This reads less like a political philosophy and more like a hostage note written to multiple factions at once. After an entire essay reaffirming progressive orthodoxy, single-payer healthcare, higher wages, sexual autonomy, abortion rights, #MeToo, and the usual moral posture, you finally confess a few mild heresies, like acknowledging that false accusations exist or that immigration law might actually mean something, and suddenly you’re nervously asking if you’ll still be allowed “under the tent.” The irony is almost touching: a man who agrees with 90 percent of the platform but feels compelled to submit a written loyalty oath for the remaining 10. The real lesson here isn’t about politics at all, it’s about what happens when a movement becomes so doctrinal that even its supporters feel the need to whisper their doubts and ask permission to think.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The "conservative" wing did it to themselves JUST like the retard democraps. America is FUCKED.

America is not fucked

 

[AG31]

Why do you feel the need to pick a side?

I don't feel the need to pick a side. I'm intrigued by the mix of my opinions. I sometimes get "alerted" on Democratic Underground, and it causes me to wonder how far you can stray from one label before becoming the other. (Although I think my wilingness to share all my material goods saves me from really being labeled MAGA.)

 

[AG31]

Sometimes you don’t agree with everything people in your own party do, and that’s normal. That is ok! There are always disagreements within a party.

That said, we do live in a two-party system here in the States. When people look at the bigger picture including policies, priorities, and overall direction—they often decide which party aligns more with their values, even if they don’t agree with every decision.

I support the Democratic party. Why? Down to the bread and butter issues of expanding healthcare access, lowering prescription drug costs especially for the most vulnerable, supporting infrastructure improvements like roads and bridges, investing in clean energy and climate initiatives because I like my planet, protecting voting rights as people died fighting for those rights, and supporting programs such as student debt relief. Those are hallmarks of a civilized society.

It's clear which party cares about regular people vs the richest of society.

And in what areas do you not support the Democratic party? If any? The question I'm dealing with his how many areas of departure can be fit into a label.

 

[AG31]

and suddenly you’re nervously asking if you’ll still be allowed “under the tent.”

What makes you think I'm nervous?

 

[Wilson23]

You mean groupthink????? Yup party politics is killing us ! God bless America

No republic can function WITHOUT groupthink and party politics.

 

[Wilson23]

America is not fucked

The only reason we're NOT is that left-progressive politics are on the rise now, providing SOME little hope for the future.

 

[Wilson23]

This reads less like a political philosophy and more like a hostage note written to multiple factions at once. After an entire essay reaffirming progressive orthodoxy, single-payer healthcare, higher wages, sexual autonomy, abortion rights, #MeToo, and the usual moral posture, you finally confess a few mild heresies, like acknowledging that false accusations exist or that immigration law might actually mean something, and suddenly you’re nervously asking if you’ll still be allowed “under the tent.” The irony is almost touching: a man who agrees with 90 percent of the platform but feels compelled to submit a written loyalty oath for the remaining 10. The real lesson here isn’t about politics at all, it’s about what happens when a movement becomes so doctrinal that even its supporters feel the need to whisper their doubts and ask permission to think.

It's the GOP that has involved into a doctrinal, ideological party. The Dems remain a coalition of interest groups.

If the Dems ever DO evolve into a doctrinal. ideological party, the doctrine will have to do with economic equality, not wokeness, which will simply be assumed.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The only reason we're NOT is that left-progressive politics are on the rise now, providing SOME little hope for the future.

put down your begging hand and put it on a keyboard to search for a job. stop being a welfare bitch

 

[Wilson23]

put down your begging hand and put it on a keyboard to search for a job. stop being a welfare bitch

That wouldn't help the COUNTRY. What Sanders and AOC and Mamdani are doing WILL.

 

[SebastianHolt]

That wouldn't help the COUNTRY. What Sanders and AOC and Mamdani are doing WILL.

omg, you are so screwed up in the head

 

[Wilson23]

omg, you are so screwed up in the head

I have a head that can look around the world and SEE that things in general go better in the social democracies than they go anywhere else.

That is a fact, and I can document it.