American political forces, spent and rising

[pecksniff]

Neoliberal economics is over. The whole supply-side theory is more thoroughly discredited than Marxism. It has been tried and tried and tried, and it has never accomplished anything but its real intended purpose, which is to make the rich richer.

It is important that this, in particular, nobody has contradicted, not even Goth.

 

[GothTalk]

No, this is what liberal means.

No, ProgressiveWiki isn't as reputable as Britannica, Oxford, Stanford, Yale or Merriam-Webster.

You and the comrades are just wrong.

That is not economic equality.

It absolutely is.

It is a situation that prevails in any society, however stratified, that uses a common currency.

Nope, socialist shit holes for example, that is not the case, lower classes aren't allowed access to the same stuff as the elites and they aren't allowed to get rich and become an elite themselves.

Equity or equality, you can have one or the other, never both. They are incompatible.

I hope you would not suggest medieval England had economic equality because a penny was a penny everywhere.

No, because it wasn't, the aristocracy could do things the peasantry wasn't allowed to spend their money the same way and was heavily restricted in how much they were allowed to have by those same authorities.

It is important that this, in particular, nobody has contradicted, not even Goth.

Reality discredits it and makes it a joke.

It doesn't make the rich richer, it simply allows the rich to be and those who figure out how to become.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If I had a nickel for every pile of bullshit Pecky simply declared, sans any evidence to be gospel truth, I'd be living where Nick Sandmann is going to be buying homes now that he's settled with NBC.

 

[pecksniff]

Equity or equality, you can have one or the other, never both. They are incompatible.

Not in the actually existing social democracies, they're not.

 

[GothTalk]

Not in the actually existing social democracies, they're not.

Just like wildcats and house cats, one or the other, can't be both. 100%....worldwide.

 

[pecksniff]

The religious right is over. It will remain relevant only in certain cultural enclaves. Everybody else just points at it and laughs.

I notice nobody has contradicted this either. Nobody on this forum ever defends the religious right as such -- its agenda only ever comes up in connection with abortion, or, far more tenuously, foreign policy WRT the Islamic world.

The religious right is pretty much doomed by generational demographic changes. Millennials have a higher proportion of self-ID'd atheists and agnostics -- 25%, I believe -- than any elder generation.

America will never experience another Great Awakening -- at least, not in traditional Christian form. (According to the Strauss-Howe generational theory, the 1960s was our most recent Great Awakening -- but Christian doctrine was notably marginal in it. And we can expect nothing different of the next one.)

 

[pecksniff]

Neoconservative warhawkery is over. Even the GOP has repudiated it. PNAC shut down more than a decade ago. After Iraq and Afghanistan, nobody takes seriously any more the idea that the U.S. can invade any other country and do "nation-building" to any beneficial effect.

Likewise with this. It's indisputable. Current attempts to whip up war-frenzy against Russia and China are of a completely different nature, with no political-missionary impulse involved.

 

[GothTalk]

I notice nobody has contradicted this either. Nobody on this forum ever defends the religious right as such -- its agenda only ever comes up in connection with abortion, or, far more tenuously, foreign policy WRT the Islamic world.

The religious right is pretty much doomed by generational demographic changes. Millennials have a higher proportion of self-ID'd atheists and agnostics -- 25%, I believe -- than any elder generation.

America will never experience another Great Awakening -- at least, not in traditional Christian form. (According to the Strauss-Howe generational theory, the 1960s was our most recent Great Awakening -- but Christian doctrine was notably marginal in it. And we can expect nothing different of the next one.)

Likewise with this. It's indisputable. Current attempts to whip up war-frenzy against Russia and China are of a completely different nature, with no political-missionary impulse involved.

Yup, the neocons and religious right are pretty much done.

And the GOP changes, They're no a coalition of everything against woke SJW leftist, and at large a bunch of liberal nationalist.

 

[pecksniff]

Yup, the neocons and religious right are pretty much done.

And the GOP changes, They're no a coalition of everything against woke SJW leftist . . .

You can't make any viable or beneficial party just out of what you're against.

. . . and at large a bunch of liberal nationalist.

If "liberal" in this context implies supply-side economics, they have nothing of value to offer. If "nationalist" implies restrictive immigration policy or economic isolationism, worse than nothing.

 

[GothTalk]

You can't make any viable or beneficial party just out of what you're against.

Sure you can, just as if not even more so than something you are for.

SJW's and the left are exactly that, against inequity of life outcomes and all the freedoms we liberal types enjoy that result in those inequities.

If "liberal" in this context implies supply-side economics, they have nothing of value to offer.

No liberal in all political contexts means liberty centric/biased.

If "nationalist" implies restrictive immigration policy or economic isolationism, worse than nothing.

No nationalism as in a national government that puts the interests of the nation, it's citizenry and interests first and foremost.

That could be pursued in a number of ways. Immigration control is one of them, economic isolationism is not.