Amicus Rising… Part one…

[IrezumiKiss]

Hey, at least they can live off the sales off his books, and not be a bunch of obana welfare flunkies.

But does Barnes & Noble pay residuals for the 80% off sale bin selections?

 

[anchoredinocean]

But does Barnes & Noble pay residuals for the 80% off sale bin selections?

It's kinda late for math, but lemme see if I can work this out.

80% of a penny is 1/80th of a cent. So for every 800 books, a whole dollar.

I say we start a Christmas fund for them.

 

[amicus]

It violates most religous systems that exist.. it certainly doesnt violate existentianilism, Ayn Rands objectivism, nihilism, or buddhism

(existentialism, objectivism and nihilism, are not religions)

Except abortion isnt murder, no matter how much you stomp your feet and say otherwise

(What then do you call the premeditated taking of an innocent human life?)


And is less then the size of a poppy seed for the first couple weeks. If a woman's menses are strong, she will" flush" out this " sacred human being"... you would consider this murder, but has occured since the dawn of humanity.

Your complete lack of understanding of reproduction..is a tad frightening


(size, in this case, does not matter, life begins at conception regardless of how you wish it did not. Nature is self correcting, a weak implantation in the uterus is often dislodged by many things, abortion is a planned event from outside the womb or from ingested or injected chemical substances)


And if a persons code is different then yours.. does that make them less moral.. or you more of presumptious twat?

(Because you do not possess the intellectual ability to perceive an objective and absolute moral code does not mean it does not exist. It does, and the primary value is human life, and life, as the doctors say, begins at conception.)




There is literally no science whatsoever to support that life begins at conception[

absolutely none (see the documented science below)

zero

zilch

this is science

yours is personal belief

(I have no personal beliefs; read the documentation from Princeton University below. Once again, you are in error.)

There is graffiti in the ancient ruins of Pompei depicting group sex.... you really need to start reading books which arent by Ayn Rand


(there is and has been aberrant sexual behavior throughout time in every group of people, just as there has been rape and murder. Your argument is not only weak, it is silly. i.e. the Nazi's gassed Jews, it happened before therefore it is moral. fuck you)


Medical science also states there are no heterosexual genes, people are not born straight either according to this fallacious logic

(Even as a jokester, you fail, heterosexuality is the human norm; queers are the unnatural element. Again, biology proves you utterly wrong)

There are literally hundreds of species that engage in homosexual activity... jesus christ man, have you ever done any research?

(You folks and your lab rat mentality, as if human behavior mirrors insentient animal behavior. It does not. Homosexuality is unnatural in homo sapiens and everyone but you knows it as fact.)

See above, hundreds of species got teh gaiz



Yet the population of the world has gone from just under 6 billion to just over 7 billion



there were 330 million people in the US in 1980.. there are now slightly under 400 million people in the states

once again, read a fucking a book

)Take you own advice, your numbers are terribly wrong)

In a two parent household , yes.. but there is nothing to support opposite sex parents being better then same sex..in fact, studies have shown that lesbian couples have children that are far more well adjusted and perform scholastically better and later in life then their heterosexual counterparts

(You are wrong again and the documentation shows that same sex couples rear severely maladjusted sexually ambivalent children. Anyone can do the research and prove you wrong, I wonder why you persist in lying?)




Except nothing you've presented is based in fact..it is a ll conjecture based off your personal morality

you have said absolutely nothing that can't be refuted by science

(Everything I say can be documented as fact and, as I show below, nothing you have presented is fact, even something as simple as checking the census bureau is too difficult a chore for yo0u)

read above.. you have provided no facts to your argument.. just your personal belief

(To repeat, I have no personal beliefs that I share on this forum without identifying them as such. It must shatter you to realize that every single statement I make is valid, accurate and can be verified. Do your own search and verify.)


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http://www.census.gov/

US population just over 318 million, you are totally wrong again an it is so easy to verify. You just made up your numbers. Right?

The US population and that of other first world countries remains stable only because of immigration, usually from third world countries to become low wage workers who pay taxes to support nanny state retirement for government bureaucrats.





http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

"
Life Begins at Fertilization
The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:





"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]



"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]



"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."
[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]



"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]



"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]



"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]



"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]



"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]



"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]



"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]



"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]



"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]



"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]



"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]



"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....

"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....

"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]

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If you ever had any doubt about the veracity of the amicus, this effort was to illustrate that I always speak truth, truth that can be documented and verified.

but... do it yourself... I don't get paid for teaching you basics..

Now... I just nailed her fat ass to a wall... let us see how she tries to lie her way out of that.

amicus veritas

 

[amicus]

I see you've changed your tune slightly, obviously realizing you were spouting nonsense before, but you still seem to be trying to make it seem like a revelation that "eight out of ten of those born since 1980 have not married or had children." It's not. It's mostly biology. Most of them are too young to marry or have children, but eventually most of them will undoubtedly do one or the other, or both.

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Do a little thinking before you Post. The statistics are accurate, born in 1980, a person would be 34 now, in 2014, and to date, eight out of ten do not marry or have children.

Now, with just meager knowledge of trends and statistical evidence, you would realize that the trend is set and that any modification would require a major event. Now... that is possible, but the anti child mentality, since the sixties, has been on a consistent downward average of almost half a century.

Blacks, Hispanics, some Asians, and Muslims all produce far more than two children per woman.

You may interpret the facts and statistics any way you wish, I read the predictions of others and then draw my own conclusions.

amicus

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Like I said, that must've been hell for a girl having you as a father.

Shittier childhood than a V.C. Andrews novel.

 

[toubab]

~~~

Do a little thinking before you Post. The statistics are accurate, born in 1980, a person would be 34 now, in 2014, and to date, eight out of ten do not marry or have children.

Now, with just meager knowledge of trends and statistical evidence, you would realize that the trend is set and that any modification would require a major event. Now... that is possible, but the anti child mentality, since the sixties, has been on a consistent downward average of almost half a century.

Blacks, Hispanics, some Asians, and Muslims all produce far more than two children per woman.

You may interpret the facts and statistics any way you wish, I read the predictions of others and then draw my own conclusions.

amicus

You are the one who needs to do a little thinking before you post. The vast majority of people born since 1980 are younger than 34. Some are one day old, or less. Think about it.

 

[amicus]

It was only an angioplasty for fuck's sake. In in the morning, out the same afternoon. You were sedated but still awake, but you don't remember it because they gave you midazolam which keeps you calm and makes you forget. It's the same drug they use for a colonoscopy and for a dozen other similar low risk procedures. Same drug class as Valium. Millions of doses a day are given in hospitals all over the world.

No general anesthesia, no going "under the knife" except for a tiny cut in your arm or groin just big enough to slip the catheter in. You were in a cath lab, not on an "operating table" in a real surgical suite. No surgeon or anesthesiologist was needed, and recovery was most likely in a room across the hall for half an hour until they reversed the drug so you could talk without blithering (no chance there, but the doc has to try anyway), and start to remember again. And then you were moved to a normal room, most likely with a roommate because they wouldn't waste a private room for such a simple procedure unless it was a slow day. By then a tech only dropped in occasionally to check your BP because you were in no real danger, and the rest of the wait was for your cardiologist to get through his next case or two before coming in to tell you to go home.

Amicus the drama queen. Loosen up your panty hose; it's cutting off the blood flow to your brain.

~~~

You have lowered an already basement level opinion of professionals with extremely narrow educations. I had similar procedures for bladder cancer and for a detached retina. Before that time, I had minimal exposure to those in the field of medicine and, unfortunately, some I have been exposed to, sound just like you, without an ounce of humanity.

There is also very little character to the current crop of physicians as I understand the majority of them support becoming government employees in the various socialized medicine plans around the world.

I have always wondered what the major requirement for being a doctor was, and now I know.

amicus

 

[amicus]

I have an idea for a new drinking game where each time amicus uses the phrase "medical science" I laugh-weep myself into a coma.

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Do read, on page two, my cut and paste from Princeton U, concerning the medical science definition of when life begins... and then... choke on your own vomit at the damage you have caused others.

amicus

 

[amicus]

Congratulations on pulling through your surgery!

~~

Thank you... it was wonderful to have family standing by...

ami

 

[badbabysitter]

You consider a zygote a human being

really?

really?

really?

jesus christ man, you must consider yourself a serial killer every time you masturbate

a zygote is a collection of cells.. you know..like ebola....to claim that it's a human being is the pinnacle of stupidity


and dont claim my arguements are silly when you created them in the first place.. you were the one that claimed that society was going down the shitter since the advancement of a woman's rights.. when historically your whining has been a constant them throughout humanity';s existence.. every society complains about the decadence it has fallen into.. go look up Socrates.. he had horrible things to say about Athenian youth..................just because you have no objective viewpoint of history, doesnt make you right

population of US 1980 : 226,545,805

population of US 2013 : 316,148,990

somehow you think 314 Million is less people than 226 million people

what documentation on same sex parents being worse then straight ones? you didnt provide any


human behaviour does mirror animal behaviour... because humans are animals.. our strongest instincts, just like animals are survival and reproduction.. we simply change survival into greed, and reproduction into lust

and if we are truly higher then animals, then you should celebrate homosexuality.. because it is a step away from our base animal nature..




if everything you say can be documented.. why dont you document it.. even your Princeton ramble was about the zygote being a living collection of cells.. you know, like cancer is a living collection of cells

you're an intellectual fraud who thinks rambling on and on will somehow excuse your basic lack of knowledge

if you can find accredited research to support your claims, then show it.. your documentation so far has only reinforced my arguement that an embryo is not a human being

 

[Liar]

Good for you amicus. I wish ill health on no man.

Just a tip for the future. The only place and time science postulate that life begins is in primordial soup. Eveything else is cyclic continuation. The word you're looking for is perhaps 'personhood' or possibly 'a life'. You'll still be wrong, but at least not lexically.

 

[Sammael Bard]

amicus

These are your personal beliefs which aren't backed by any sort of reliable scientific data. No matter how much YOU stomp your foot and assert your obnoxiously pretentious views, very few will agree with you on this....and those who do are most probably from your time.

I'm afraid, but your stone-age beliefs are outdated in the modern and liberal society we live in.

 

[about_average]

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courtesy of Wikipedia:

"Metrosexual is a neologism, derived from metropolitan and heterosexual, coined in 1994 describing a man (especially one living in an urban, post-industrial, capitalist culture) who is especially meticulous about his grooming and appearance, typically spending a significant amount of time and money on shopping as part of this.[1] The term is popularly thought to contrast heterosexuals who adopt fashions and lifestyles stereotypically associated with homosexuals, although, by definition given by the originator (see below), a metrosexual "might be officially gay, straight or bisexual."

always glad to help

Wow, I was right. You saw the word "metrosexual" and thought they have "metro sex". LMAO
You should really do stand up. You're hilarious.

 

[Que]

Good for you amicus. I wish ill health on no man.

Just a tip for the future. The only place and time science postulate that life begins is in primordial soup. Everything else is cyclic continuation. The word you're looking for is perhaps 'person-hood' or possibly 'a life'. You'll still be wrong, but at least not lexically.

Wait...so you are saying primordial soup IS life, and a Zygote is not?

I see a lot of ugliness on how both extremes are commonly presented, as it is here.

"Abortion is murder" is pretty ugly.

Denigrating life or even the possibility of life is pretty ugly.

I just wonder how the pro-abortion people muster up the moral outrage to insist that killing the possibility of life is somehow the moral high ground.

Here are the two ugly positions and why they are ugly:

Denigrating those that have had to make that hard choice is below the belt.

Referring to life in such a dismissive way? Consider this: when it is wanted it would cause heartbreak if a miscarriage occurs. Those that ridicule the miracle that is life seem to suggest a position not based in psychologically sound reasoning.

 

[Liar]

Wait...so you are saying primordial soup IS life, and a Zygote is not?

No. Read again. Slowly. That might help.

 

[Que]

No. Read again. Slowly. That might help.

Ok I get it now...

Not sure what I find more disgusting, those that choose to be ugly or those that choose to make light.

 

[Liar]

I just wonder how the pro-abortion people muster up the moral outrage to insist that killing the possibility of life is somehow the moral high ground.

There are no pro abortion people.

 

[Que]

There are no pro abortion people.

Oh, but there are. There are people that celebrate it. Think it is empowering and wonderful and part of women's 'health."

 

[Liar]

Oh, but there are. There are people that celebrate it. Think it is empowering and wonderful and part of women's 'health."

It is part of women's health. Doesn't mean that those who want them to be legal and available wants everyone to have one. That's an ascription fallacy, and you choosing to be ugly.

 

[Liar]

I'm against prohibition. Doesn't mean I'm pro drunks.

 

[Que]

It is part of women's health. Doesn't mean that those who want them to be legal and available wants everyone to have one. That's an ascription fallacy, and you choosing to be ugly.

You junior debate team captains have fun with it.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Oh, but there are. There are people that celebrate it. Think it is empowering and wonderful and part of women's 'health."

And where are you from, my man?

Abortion represents the freedom of choice that society had earlier denied to women, based on religious heresy. Girls raped and impregnated at 15 had to bear the child, just because the church says so.

Bringing an unwanted child that is a danger to the mental and physical health of the mother, as well as an economic burden in many cases, would be a tad bit unfair to the mother AND the child.

No one celebrates abortion. At least no woman/feminist in their right mind will do so.

This is a traumatic experience for all those involved, and not to be spoken of lightly.

Unless it is necessary, abortion shouldn't be an option for would-be parents. There should be ample amount of planning before couples decide to have children.

 

[cowslinger64]

Oh, but there are. There are people that celebrate it. Think it is empowering and wonderful and part of women's 'health."

Doesn't matter what time of day it is, you always have something ridiculously stupid to say.


You are such a fuckin moron.


and before you reply with a million words of drivel, don't forget that I probably won't read any of it.

 

[Liar]

Famed 'abortionist' Planned Parenthood, through family planning, contraceptive and pre-natal services, prevents far more abortions than they perform.

 

[Liar]

You junior debate team captains have fun with it.

Is this what you call 'making light'?