Any gunfighters ...

[CharleyH]

Everyone here?

 

[CharleyH]

It seems like Remec would've appeared before now. Maybe he's trying some psychological tactic.

I reminded him and sent a message ... he did say afternoons were difficult because of ankle biters. He knows we await.

 

[Remec]

*cues Sergio Leone theme*
*stepping into view at the end of the street, seemingly from nowhere*
*walking slowly up after pushing hat a little further back on his head*
*pausing to let a tumbleweed go by*

Right...we ready?

 

[CharleyH]

Ok

Ready?

 

[CharleyH]

The challenge is on a new thread HERE

 

[CharleyH]

terrible acident

It could have been worse.

 

[butters]

Now THAT'S an awesome challenge!
you've a fiendish mind, mwahahahaha

i can't wait to see what they come up with. really!

now i'll eat my fish n chips

 

[CharleyH]

Now THAT'S an awesome challenge!
you've a fiendish mind, mwahahahaha

i can't wait to see what they come up with. really!

now i'll eat my fish n chips

I''m looking forward, as well.

 

[Remec]

*holsters gun*
*rocks on heels*
*checking self for wounds and blood*
*waiting for the smoke to clear*

Man...Yer a hard taskmaster, Mz Charley...

 

[Epmd607]

I was hoping for some form action. boooooooo!

 

[CharleyH]

I was hoping for some form action. boooooooo!

Feel free to join up as a challenger for the next gunfight, then.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I was hoping for some form action. boooooooo!

It is a form it's a Cento! Great fun you get to rifle through and pick out all the best juicy bits ....... bugger n damnation why did I back out?!

 

[bflagsst]

Since I posted my favorite triolet, I'll post my favorite pastoral rondelet and ghazal that I wrote during my week of training. You can tell me if I broke any of the forms, but I have a habit of not liking exactly what a form is supposed to be and doing my own thing.

A monument,
by the crook of my shepherdess,
a monument!
To the moment of my torment,
by the love in which we regress,
always death before she profess,
a monument

 

[UnderYourSpell]

The Ghazal should be five or more couplets, the second line of each couplet emds with the repitition of a refrain of one or a few words. In the first couplet both lines end in the rhyme and refrain so the end word should be the same. You have got the end word being the same all the way through but the word preceding it should rhyme through each couplet too. So if you are going to have 'my bones' in your first couplet then every couplet after that must have something to rhyme with 'my'

Sorry don't know what a pastoral rondelet is the closest I can see to that is a Rondeau

 

[bflagsst]

The Ghazal should be five or more couplets, the second line of each couplet emds with the repitition of a refrain of one or a few words. In the first couplet both lines end in the rhyme and refrain so the end word should be the same. You have got the end word being the same all the way through but the word preceding it should rhyme through each couplet too. So if you are going to have 'my bones' in your first couplet then every couplet after that must have something to rhyme with 'my'

Sorry don't know what a pastoral rondelet is the closest I can see to that is a Rondeau

I knew where the rhyme was supposed to be once I looked up ghazal, but I just ignored it because I liked how the poem read. Is there a reason why it has to be five or more couplets?

I think a triolet is a form of rondelet(roundelay). Now that I think about it I probably would have struggled if the challenge was to write a rondeau or villanelle. I used to use the forms as starting points, new ideas for poems when I was stuck, then I'd sorta morph the form into a more contemporary sounding poem. Maybe it's laziness on my part, but I couldn't write a strict form and submit it for print and be happy with it.

 

[butters]

they do say that familiarity with form brings the freedom that allows expression within it, rather than a sense of restriction.

who the f*** THEY are, of course, is a mystery to me

 

[bflagsst]

they do say that familiarity with form brings the freedom that allows expression within it, rather than a sense of restriction.

who the f*** THEY are, of course, is a mystery to me

You gotta think about where the forms came from. The only 'true' forms are established meter, stressed and unstressed syllable orders. Someone wrote in magic numbers of stressed and unstressed along the way, then more people did it in imitation and it became a standard, sometimes disassociated from the person's name. The sonnet isn't known as the Pistoian or Lentini Sonnet, while the sonnets Shakespeare wrote are associated with his name. Some forms have more mercurial derivations, but we can assume one person invented what we know of for each form.

So the restriction really is there. It sounds like your imitating another poet when you write in a popular form. These things were invented and practiced while new forms were being invented. We don't invent new forms now, so the dated ones make for dated poems. The last form to be invented, that I know of, is Billy Collins' paradelle. He did it as a joke, but people are still writing paradelles, and the joke's become a modern form.

 

[butters]

You gotta think about where the forms came from. The only 'true' forms are established meter, stressed and unstressed syllable orders. Someone wrote in magic numbers of stressed and unstressed along the way, then more people did it in imitation and it became a standard, sometimes disassociated from the person's name. The sonnet isn't known as the Pistoian or Lentini Sonnet, while the sonnets Shakespeare wrote are associated with his name. Some forms have more mercurial derivations, but we can assume one person invented what we know of for each form.

So the restriction really is there. It sounds like your imitating another poet when you write in a popular form. These things were invented and practiced while new forms were being invented. We don't invent new forms now, so the dated ones make for dated poems. The last form to be invented, that I know of, is Billy Collins' paradelle. He did it as a joke, but people are still writing paradelles, and the joke's become a modern form.

oh, I like to think there are poets out there still 'inventing' forms, even if they don't make them public enough to catch the imagination of other writers. creativity finds a way

personally, the mercurial part appeals to me - if it makes a better poem, go for it. because, for me, ultimately that's what counts. so many poems that adhere strictly to form become tortured convolutions of language and speech-patterning that end up squeezing the life from a write to excel in a form is a marvelous thing. i don't tend to do marvelous often, if at all, hahahaha, but DO recognise others doing it when i see it!

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I knew where the rhyme was supposed to be once I looked up ghazal, but I just ignored it because I liked how the poem read. Is there a reason why it has to be five or more couplets?

I think a triolet is a form of rondelet(roundelay). Now that I think about it I probably would have struggled if the challenge was to write a rondeau or villanelle. I used to use the forms as starting points, new ideas for poems when I was stuck, then I'd sorta morph the form into a more contemporary sounding poem. Maybe it's laziness on my part, but I couldn't write a strict form and submit it for print and be happy with it.

I don't know why lol ask Lauren she might know seeing as she's the one who put up all the forms for survivor, I guess it's because if it's going to have a name it's got to have some structure on what is what! If you want to call it a Ghazal thems the rule for it if you want to change them call it whatever you want! I think the triolet is my favourite of the forms I have done and if I was truthful the one I find easiest to do ... but don't tell anyone I said that.
I think the challenge is in getting the form correct rather than flying against the wind and saying oh it's too restrictive for me, made me knuckle down to get it right. Anyone can submit what they want ..... the challenge is there (or soon to be) can you rise to it?

oh, I like to think there are poets out there still 'inventing' forms, even if they don't make them public enough to catch the imagination of other writers. creativity finds a way

personally, the mercurial part appeals to me - if it makes a better poem, go for it. because, for me, ultimately that's what counts. so many poems that adhere strictly to form become tortured convolutions of language and speech-patterning that end up squeezing the life from a write to excel in a form is a marvelous thing. i don't tend to do marvelous often, if at all, hahahaha, but DO recognise others doing it when i see it!

I've fiddled around with the different forms outside of survivor and certain people on here have invented their own, I don't have the link but Lauren or Angeline might of a whole new form that was Lits own. So they are out there to be invented get on with it lol and have fun with the title!

 

[champagne1982]

That would be the Bob form... Birth of a formula.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

There you go I hoped somebody would dig out Bob for us

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Sol-Magazine has quite a few forms, some of which are new. I looked there for one of last year's bonus challenges.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I found that site too it was very helpful as I'd already been through the list Lauren gave us. Come to think of it I wonder if she would have accepted a homegrown variety! I've often thought the Sestina wouldn't be so horrendous if it wasn't so long and the Tritina is a bit on the short side so perhaps something inbetween
I could call it the Annilina or the Annihilata!

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Annihilata! for sure!

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I'll have to get my thinking cap on and get everyone writing Annihilatas!