Are Many/Most Bi's Really Just Closet Hedonists?

[HottieMama]

*headdesk* Feels like a DumbAss...

 

[Stella_Omega]

whatever character it is, simply must have a wicked Snidely Whiplash mustache drawn on it.

LOL!.

 

[CandiCame]

I was actually talking to kurokami and camicame about their anime avatars.

I didn't marry the dude for any specific purpose, I married him because I love him. And the sex was pretty good. Men were pretty satisfying to me at the time.

I would never marry a man again, though, I can tell you that. And I have very little interest in heterosexual-style sex with men-- if I were a man, I would be much more male-oriented.

You're Shiek/Zelda. A Wizard. A Ninja-Wizard. A Ninja-Pirate-Wizard. That's the only character that I think can truly encompass your full bad-assery.http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8900000/Sheik-the-legend-of-zelda-8968844-480-360.jpg

 

[Stella_Omega]

Thank you, Deckard. That WAS an excellent article.

I DO question some of the cited categories though. By my estimate at least 6 - 7 of them got a "Nope! They ain't" vote from me and I'm also kinda iffy on the "Transitory Bisexual" category (though I can see his point that they are still "transitioning").

BTW, I find all those categories doubly interesting because it kind of bears out the thoughts I'm considering about how the "Big Bi Umbrella" is too all encompassing in an effort to artificially swell their numbers.

Well, I agree with you in some ways. for instance, when het couples show up at GLBT Pride events, and parade their hetero coupleness with the refrain "BUT WE'RE BISEXUAL!!!!"

I am unimpressed with that.

Or if someone tried to lie to someone like Amy here, in order to get into her pants. Which, good luck with that, since she doesn't touch bisexuals anyway, as is her right.

Using those categories for political or social ends? Not so copasetic. Using them to understand where a person is-- more useful.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You're Shiek/Zelda. A Wizard. A Ninja-Wizard. A Ninja-Pirate-Wizard. That's the only character that I think can truly encompass your full bad-assery.http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8900000/Sheik-the-legend-of-zelda-8968844-480-360.jpg

Do they have mustaches?

 

[Safe_Bet]

Do they have mustaches?

What's this shit? More of you're "I don't agree with / like you so I'm going to fuck up your thread with bullshit" terrorism? SERIOUSLY???

And you fuckers have the unmitigated gall to call ME a troll?

POT:KETTLE much, BTW?

 

[girlsmiley]

Stella.
Welcome to girlsmileys world of ignore.

 

[Stella_Omega]

What's this shit? More of you're "I don't agree with / like you so I'm going to fuck up your thread with bullshit" terrorism? SERIOUSLY???

LOL good luck with that. Screaming and threatening on an internet forum? That's embarrassingly futile. I mean-- think about it.

And you fuckers have the unmitigated gall to call ME a troll?

Yeah, no problem calling you a troll. How can you expect respect when you show so little of it yourself?

You haven't answered one single one of my posts to the point since a while now.

So why should I care?

As you SO often say, if you don't like what I have to say, just put me on ignore. (Which is a classic bullying technique, for those who are following this-- it's the internet version of "Try and stop me.")

 

[girlsmiley]

What's this shit? More of you're "I don't agree with / like you so I'm going to fuck up your thread with bullshit" terrorism? SERIOUSLY???

And you fuckers have the unmitigated gall to call ME a troll?

POT:KETTLE much, BTW?

I might head on over to BDSM and start posting photos of couches.
Big page stretching leather couches. Do you cunts want us to fuck your threads?
Cos it's easy to do that, ya know?

I'm sorry Amy.
I really expected more from Stella.
God knows that woman is a lot older than I and should know better.
I can't handle her sporadic fucking outbursts anymore.
"Why are you such a troll, Amy?" etc.

Not someone I'd bother having a conversation with in RL.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You don't have to apologise to Amy on my behalf. If you know me at all, you know damn well that I call people on their bullshit.

Amy, for so many reasons, is an angry abrasive person on the internet. She feels safe coming here and letting it out-- and of course, "safe" is true enough as far as it goes. No one can reach out and punch her in the snoot, for instance.

But she can't stop people from noticing her behavior and drawing conclusions from it, and she can't assume that everyone will be understanding and tolerant. And the same rules that allow her to say anything she wants also allow everyone else to hijack her thread once they've gotten tired of her crap.

 

[girlsmiley]

I was on another site and stumbled upon this: http://www.cat-and-dragon.com/stef/Poly/Labriola/bisexual.html

It's an interesting read. As stated in the link, a sexual behaviorist identifies different types of bisexuals (yes, hedonistic is there!!) and it's pretty interesting IMO. In case the link breaks, there are 13 types, they are:

Alternating bisexuals:
may have a relationship with a man, and then after that relationship ends, may choose a female partner for a subsequent relationship, and many go back to a male partner next.

Circumstantial bisexuals:
primarily heterosexual, but will choose same sex partners only in situations where they have no access to other-sex partners, such as when in jail, in the military, or in a gender-segregated school.

Concurrent relationship bisexuals:
have primary relationship with one gender only but have other casual or secondary relationships with people of another gender at the same time.

Conditional bisexuals:
either straight or gay/lesbian, but will switch to a relationship with another gender for financial or career gain or for a specific purpose, such as young straight males who become gay prostitutes or lesbians who get married to men in order to gain acceptance from family members or to have children.

Emotional bisexuals:
have intimate emotional relationships with both men and women, but only have sexual relationships with one gender.

Integrated bisexuals:
have more than one primary relationship at the same time, one with a man and one with a woman.

Exploratory bisexuals:
either straight or gay/lesbian, but have sex with another gender just to satisfy curiosity or "see what it's like."

Hedonistic bisexuals:
primarily straight or gay/lesbian but will sometimes have sex with another gender primarily for fun or purely sexual satisfaction.

Recreational bisexuals:
primarily heterosexual but engage in gay or lesbian sex only when under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.

Isolated bisexuals:
100% straight or gay/lesbian now but has had at one or more sexual experience with another gender in the past.

Latent bisexuals:
completely straight or gay lesbian in behavior but have strong desire for sex with another gender, but have never acted on it.

Motivational bisexuals:
straight women who have sex with other women only because a male partner insists on it to titillate him.

Transitional bisexuals:
temporarily identify as bisexual while in the process of moving from being straight to being gay or lesbian, or going from being gay or lesbian to being heterosexual.

That's really interesting.

Thanks mate

 

[Stella_Omega]

I've met more emotional bisexuals among women-- more hedonistic bisexuals among men.

I'm pretty suspicious of the "recreational bisexual" label. So many people use drugs and drink as an excuse for doing what they were going to do in the first place.

 

[CandiCame]

Gotta say, Stella, I don't really understand why bi-sexuals who happen to be in a hetero relationship don't get to support the gay. I didn't really think of it as a club that you had to be participating in. I mean, I'm in a gay relationship right now, but a few months ago I was in a strait relationship. I'm the same guy.

Aren't gay rights human rights? I mean, I don't really get the difference. I don't understand why exclusively hetero folk couldn't come out to show their support. I mean, it's all about equality, isn't it?

I haven't really been in the know long enough to understand what you're talking about. I only recently kinda... figured myself out. So I'd like to know more about what you're talking about here.

Go slowly. Remember who you're talking to- it takes me a while sometimes.

 

[twister947]

Gotta say, Stella, I don't really understand why bi-sexuals who happen to be in a hetero relationship don't get to support the gay. I didn't really think of it as a club that you had to be participating in. I mean, I'm in a gay relationship right now, but a few months ago I was in a strait relationship. I'm the same guy.

Aren't gay rights human rights? I mean, I don't really get the difference. I don't understand why exclusively hetero folk couldn't come out to show their support. I mean, it's all about equality, isn't it?

Perfect pitch, that.

 

[40ishCouple]

I've met more emotional bisexuals among women-- more hedonistic bisexuals among men.

Very well put....I've been in love with other girls, it can be very emotional for me. I am in love with my husband and he is my lifelong partner. I am dedicated to him. Yet, I have deep and meaningful friendships with other women who are also my lovers at times.
And yes, in my limited experience with bi men, it seems their attraction to other men is pleasure based while gay men seem more emotionally attached. BUT...let's not make blanket statements here. Individuals handle physical and emotional issues in many different ways. To each his own.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Gotta say, Stella, I don't really understand why bi-sexuals who happen to be in a hetero relationship don't get to support the gay. I didn't really think of it as a club that you had to be participating in. I mean, I'm in a gay relationship right now, but a few months ago I was in a strait relationship. I'm the same guy.

Aren't gay rights human rights? I mean, I don't really get the difference. I don't understand why exclusively hetero folk couldn't come out to show their support. I mean, it's all about equality, isn't it?

I haven't really been in the know long enough to understand what you're talking about. I only recently kinda... figured myself out. So I'd like to know more about what you're talking about here.

Go slowly. Remember who you're talking to- it takes me a while sometimes.

Gay rights are human rights, but hetero rights ain't necessarily gay rights, dude.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hets coming out to show their support, yes indeed. And in the parades and public spaces, it's really important and awesome for het couples to show that they are het and supporting equal rights.

What I am talking about though, is a little different, and I apologise for skipping a lot of stuff-- I'm talking about straight couples showing up in one of the limited and few gay spaces, and macking on each other, in ways that gay couples cannot ever do in straight space. And when GLBT folk ask them to take it out into that huge enormous straight world full of straight macking-- they claim that they are bisexual, and deserve special consideration for their hetero-ness of the moment, because bisexual!

Well, no. When we're doing the het side of bisexuality, we can do it almost everywhere. We don't need to invade gay space for that. When we're doing the same-sex side, that's when we need support from same sex communities.

Does that make sense?

 

[PurpleJade]

Gotta say, Stella, I don't really understand why bi-sexuals who happen to be in a hetero relationship don't get to support the gay. I didn't really think of it as a club that you had to be participating in. I mean, I'm in a gay relationship right now, but a few months ago I was in a strait relationship. I'm the same guy.

Aren't gay rights human rights? I mean, I don't really get the difference. I don't understand why exclusively hetero folk couldn't come out to show their support. I mean, it's all about equality, isn't it?

Got to say, I agree with you here. I mean thats the whole thing with being bi-sexual, sometimes a bi man and a bi woman will be in a relationship. Or maybe only one is bi, and the other supports GLBT rights, including the rights of his/her partner. Why shouldn't they be supportive? Furthermore, isn't it a good thing when straight people (which I assume its being inferred the bi-couple are really) support GLBT rights? Don't we want everyone to support GLBT rights? Like candicame says, gay rights are human rights, we are asking for everyone to be treated equally, as they should already be, as they should always have been. So how exactly do gay rights differ from straight rights?

Edit: Oops sorry stella I cross posted there, please ignore my comments on your post! I totally get what you are saying now.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So how exactly do gay rights differ from straight rights?

There are far fewer of them. And they are being fought over, every step forward some GOP pig parade tries to force two steps back.

That's the difference.

Oops sorry stella I cross posted there, please ignore my comments on your post! I totally get what you are saying now.

No problem

 

[CandiCame]

Hets coming out to show their support, yes indeed. And in the parades and public spaces, it's really important and awesome for het couples to show that they are het and supporting equal rights.

What I am talking about though, is a little different, and I apologise for skipping a lot of stuff-- I'm talking about straight couples showing up in one of the limited and few gay spaces, and macking on each other, in ways that gay couples cannot ever do in straight space. And when GLBT folk ask them to take it out into that huge enormous straight world full of straight macking-- they claim that they are bisexual, and deserve special consideration for their hetero-ness of the moment, because bisexual!

Well, no. When we're doing the het side of bisexuality, we can do it almost everywhere. We don't need to invade gay space for that. When we're doing the same-sex side, that's when we need support from same sex communities.

Does that make sense?

I dunno... I really don't think about where I'm making out- but Bill does. He's very not into PDA at all- it's all in the bedroom or out of town for him. It kinda pisses me off, but I really think it's a phase. Or a desire not to get the shit beaten out of us. Fucking rednecks.

I don't know... that just still seems weird to me. I really don't ever think about genders anymore- I kinda gave up on it. I think that in a good world, there wouldn't be "gay space" or "strait space" and calling attention to it being a "gay space" is moving one step farther away from that ideal world. It's to similar to "strait space" for me... I'm just... uncomfortable with it.

edit: I make out wherever I am, if I'm horny. I'm trying to get over this, because it pisses my man off. But I'm on the gay side right now, so it makes seeing this a little harder, I think...

 

[girlsmiley]

Got to say, I agree with you here. I mean thats the whole thing with being bi-sexual, sometimes a bi man and a bi woman will be in a relationship. Or maybe only one is bi, and the other supports GLBT rights, including the rights of his/her partner. Why shouldn't they be supportive? Furthermore, isn't it a good thing when straight people (which I assume its being inferred the bi-couple are really) support GLBT rights? Don't we want everyone to support GLBT rights? Like candicame says, gay rights are human rights, we are asking for everyone to be treated equally, as they should already be, as they should always have been. So how exactly do gay rights differ from straight rights?

Edit: Oops sorry stella I cross posted there, please ignore my comments on your post! I totally get what you are saying now.

Sure.

I have plenty of straight mates who support the GLBT community in one way or another lol. Men and women. It's usually topped off with a night on the caipirinhas but that's another story.

When it comes to GLBT/equality...human rights aren't legal rights.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I dunno... I really don't think about where I'm making out- but Bill does. He's very not into PDA at all- it's all in the bedroom or out of town for him. It kinda pisses me off, but I really think it's a phase. Or a desire not to get the shit beaten out of us. Fucking rednecks.

I don't know... that just still seems weird to me. I really don't ever think about genders anymore- I kinda gave up on it. I think that in a good world, there wouldn't be "gay space" or "strait space" and calling attention to it being a "gay space" is moving one step farther away from that ideal world. It's to similar to "strait space" for me... I'm just... uncomfortable with it.

Sadly, sweets, it's not a good world yet.

For fuck's sake, don't demand that GLBT folk be saintlier than the hetero majority. Why should they be?

edit: I make out wherever I am, if I'm horny. I'm trying to get over this, because it pisses my man off. But I'm on the gay side right now, so it makes seeing this a little harder, I think...

You just might learn why that's a bad idea, if this is your first time on the gay side.

 

[deckardB26354]

Gay rights are human rights, but hetero rights ain't necessarily gay rights, dude.

I'll apologize up front, but I have to say that is the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread.

Hetero rights? Gay rights? There should be ONE set of 'rights' that human beings view to treat each other with decency and respect. Period.

I guess you're gonna tell me another gem like it's a gay right to march in a pride parade.

 

[PurpleJade]

Sure.

I have plenty of straight mates who support the GLBT community in one way or another lol. Men and women. It's usually topped off with a night on the caipirinhas but that's another story.

When it comes to GLBT/equality...human rights aren't legal rights.

There are far fewer of them. And they are being fought over, every step forward some GOP pig parade tries to force two steps back.

That's the difference.

Firstly, my connection to Lit has gotten very slow and unreliable AGAIN, so apologies if I am waay behind the discussion.
Secondly GOP = republican party??? Sorry we got a whole ocean between us...

thirdly: Stella I see, we are mis-understanding each other I think. What you are saying is, currently gay rights are few and being fought over, am I right? What I was meaning was, despite the current political situation regarding GLBT rights around the world, in reality gay rights are human rights, the GLBT community has the same rights as everyone else, although, yes, they are currently being denied to people worldwide. Like you said smiley they aren't legal rights currently. But humans should be standing up for their fellow human's rights. Does that make any sense? In other words - what deckard said (There should be ONE set of 'rights' that human beings view to treat each other with decency and respect. Period.) Sorry perhaps I should return to quiet observation (which is what I mainly do on these forums!), I seem to just be getting myself in a tangle.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'll apologize up front, but I have to say that is the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread.

Hetero rights? Gay rights? There should be ONE set of 'rights' that human beings view to treat each other with decency and respect. Period.

I guess you're gonna tell me another gem like it's a gay right to march in a pride parade.

Yeah, there SHOULD be one set of rights.

But there isn't.