Branding, cutting....marks of possession

[catalina_francisco]

It is not fully healed yet, when it is we will post another pic with the end result.

F & C.

 

[James G 5]

I have seen many people practice cutting and I still find it atrocious and barbaric. At various conventions I have seen a couple nice cuts, but the majority are just ugly scars. Yes, this is my experiences, but that is what life is. A series of experiences.

BDSM also means something different to me than you it seems.
BDSM = Bondage-Discipline/Dominant-submissive/Sado-Masochism

You obviously see things different than I do and you are entitled to those viewpoints. I however find most of them wrong.

Well, I don't see how cutting & scarification don't fit in with sadomasochism and a Dominant/submissve dynamic
You say yourself people say things differently and filtered thru their experiences
Finding it wrong is one thing, attacking it and those who do it (your tone has been very confrontational since your first post) is another. It seems your main objection is that nothing lasts and this sort of a mark will be an ugly reminder. I'm not a big believer in "vows" of any form but you are assuming all of these are hastily made decisions that will leave negative indelible reminders, and this has not been my experience. Far from being cynical, you seem to be bitter.
Hopefully this will nto always be the case for you, as it seems to keep you from being able to accept others without so much judgement when you yourself live a life most would consider, by nature, to be cruel & barbaric in and of itself.

 

[James G 5]

I have seen many people practice cutting and I still find it atrocious and barbaric. At various conventions I have seen a couple nice cuts, but the majority are just ugly scars. Yes, this is my experiences, but that is what life is. A series of experiences.

You obviously see things different than I do and you are entitled to those viewpoints. I however find most of them wrong.

PS, ugly scars to you might seem beautiful to others
not to be hackneyed, but it's in the eye of the beholder
Most of us find Ubangi women with lip-plates disturbing to look at, but it's a sign of wealth & beauty to them

 

[ammre]

PS, ugly scars to you might seem beautiful to others
not to be hackneyed, but it's in the eye of the beholder
Most of us find Ubangi women with lip-plates disturbing to look at, but it's a sign of wealth & beauty to them

Oh please. You know those women have MAJOR DSL.


DSL=dick sucking lips (for those not in on the current matcho lingo or something.. what what.)

 

[replicant]

Well, I don't see how cutting & scarification don't fit in with sadomasochism and a Dominant/submissve dynamic
You say yourself people say things differently and filtered thru their experiences
Finding it wrong is one thing, attacking it and those who do it (your tone has been very confrontational since your first post) is another. It seems your main objection is that nothing lasts and this sort of a mark will be an ugly reminder. I'm not a big believer in "vows" of any form but you are assuming all of these are hastily made decisions that will leave negative indelible reminders, and this has not been my experience. Far from being cynical, you seem to be bitter.
Hopefully this will nto always be the case for you, as it seems to keep you from being able to accept others without so much judgement when you yourself live a life most would consider, by nature, to be cruel & barbaric in and of itself.

As I have said I find the majority of cutting and scarification to be hideous and barbaric. Hurting another for the sake of heightening pleasure is a concept that I understand and accept. Through pain one can finally acheive true pleasure, but to mutilate another I find truly horrifying. If you are properly trained and your cutting or other ritualistic style scarification is done with care, then I have no problem with that. If you're carving some skanky ass letter "C" or whatever into anothers flesh for the purpose of ownership, then I do object to it. Future sight should always be taken into account before doing anything. As with all art it is in the eye of the beholder and as long as it is completely consentual and done with proper precautions I will not stand in it's way. Although, if I do not agree with the methods used I will still be in vocal opposition if I so desire. I consider myself opinionated and not confrontational.

I suppose the only true outcome is that many of us will agree to disagree. Now go leave some marks with that sjambok jr for me.

 

[ammre]

james, replicant i think you guys actually both agree... you jsut don't realize it i think...

Cutting branding or other forms of scarification are ok as long as they are done by a trained profesional.

(not all cutting of the flesh is meant to leave a scar or will leave one)

 

[catalina_francisco]

As I have said I find the majority of cutting and scarification to be hideous and barbaric. Hurting another for the sake of heightening pleasure is a concept that I understand and accept. Through pain one can finally acheive true pleasure, but to mutilate another I find truly horrifying. If you are properly trained and your cutting or other ritualistic style scarification is done with care, then I have no problem with that. If you're carving some skanky ass letter "C" or whatever into anothers flesh for the purpose of ownership, then I do object to it. Future sight should always be taken into account before doing anything. As with all art it is in the eye of the beholder and as long as it is completely consentual and done with proper precautions I will not stand in it's way. Although, if I do not agree with the methods used I will still be in vocal opposition if I so desire. I consider myself opinionated and not confrontational.

I suppose the only true outcome is that many of us will agree to disagree. Now go leave some marks with that sjambok jr for me.

Being in vocal opinion is of course your democratic right. It would be considered confrontational by most to be called barbaric and hideous though.

The first you need to learn is acceptance of other people's principles even if you do not agree with them. I do not agree with 95 % of what you are saying and would argue my case with you based upon my opinions, but I will always respect yours and give you the right to think and act accordingly and you should have the same courtesy to others in the lifestyle.

To find it barbaric and hideous is one thing, but to state BDSM’ers should not mark or brand them because the relationship is doomed anyway is a fatalistic view of the world. Before even starting a relationship you are already giving up on it and defending your logic with the facts that normally relationships do not last. Well my neighbour has a hobby, she jumps off bridges, I do not. Majority of people do not enjoy giving pain to their partner, I do. Majority of people do not call their partner slave, I do. The majority of people are not into BDSM, I am.

So following your logic we should just become one of the crowd, follow the rules of the majority because everything we do is doomed anyway, the numbers are against it. I know I am making an exaggeration here but it is only to show the point.

Numbers, statistics have nothing to do with feelings and emotions. They have very little to do with BDSM. BDSM is based on feelings and emotions.

By the way, I am a sadistic barbaric bastard who enjoys cutting into his wife and slave and enjoys the blood running down her thighs while she is squirming in pain. And you know what my partner loves me for it. I love looking at her mark and knowing it is there to stay, knowing that for as long as she lives my mark will stay on my property. Like I said I am a sadistic barbaric bastard, who enjoys pain. But I am only a sadistic barbaric bastard with my willing partner, who is indeed consensual.

Are you now going to state that we two adults, fully in their right mind, knowing exactly what we are doing, cannot cut each other?

Francisco.

 

[James G 5]

The first you need to learn is acceptance of other people's principles even if you do not agree with them. I do not agree with 95 % of what you are saying and would argue my case with you based upon my opinions, but I will always respect yours and give you the right to think and act accordingly and you should have the same courtesy to others in the lifestyle.

I would argue with this point in the respect that there are certain things someone can believe that I can argue with an UTTER lack of understanding of them & their pints of view. Case in point was a dialog I got in to once with someone who was arguing that he should have the right to have sex with girls as young as 8 years of age.
Obviously there's a HUGE difference in that and cutting, I'm just making a point about understanding and accepting

As for ammre's comment, I would say not 100% because I feel if a Dom has learned some of what he's doing so he can do it safely and well (and I am NOT typing this to be gender inclusive but it's intended that way) and he & the sub have discussed it & she's agreed that it's what she wants, he can do it outside of a professional environment
I DO disagree with simple uniformed unsafe cutting just for the sake of cutting, but then I disagree with anything unnecesarily dangerous

 

[James G 5]

I would argue
<snip>
disagree with anything unnecesarily dangerous

PS to Franciso, ain't nothing wrong with being a sadistic barbarian
Few things I love as much as seeing them squirm when I show them the Sjambok & Sjambok Jr & hearing them howl when I use them

 

[catalina_francisco]

PS to Franciso, ain't nothing wrong with being a sadistic barbarian
Few things I love as much as seeing them squirm when I show them the Sjambok & Sjambok Jr & hearing them howl when I use them

Could not have put it better.

Originally posted by James G 5 I would argue with this point in the respect that there are certain things someone can believe that I can argue with an UTTER lack of understanding of them & their pints of view. Case in point was a dialog I got in to once with someone who was arguing that he should have the right to have sex with girls as young as 8 years of age.
Obviously there's a HUGE difference in that and cutting, I'm just making a point about understanding and accepting [/B]

I stand corrected, I agree again fully with you. What are you doing man, you are destroying my reputation. If I start to agree with people what is going to be left of my self image

Francisco.

 

[replicant]

One last time for you kids at the back of the short bus I will comment on this. These are my opinions and if you do not agree with them, then tough shit. It's not my place to care for your emotional well-being and self-worth. Quit making out what I am saying as more than what it says.

Being in vocal opinion is of course your democratic right. It would be considered confrontational by most to be called barbaric and hideous though.

I *NEVER* called anyone barbaric or hideous in my experiences. I merely stated that *I* felt *MOST* cuttings were barbaric and hideous. I have seen some attractive cuttings, but they have been in the heavy minorty of those I have seen. If you like them, then that is your perrogative. I am not bound by your will and ideals, so therefore I can dislike them all I want to.

The first you need to learn is acceptance of other people's principles even if you do not agree with them. I do not agree with 95 % of what you are saying and would argue my case with you based upon my opinions, but I will always respect yours and give you the right to think and act accordingly and you should have the same courtesy to others in the lifestyle.

I accept what *I* wish to accept. As I stated before. I accept cuttings and other forms of scarification as long as they are done by a properly trained person so the minimal of danger is involved and that it is a mutually consentual agreement. I grew up hanging out with my mom who was an ER nurse and saw what complications can happen when people overstep the limits of their abilities. I have seen cuttings and such done by Professionals at conventions and even seen local gangs taggings their female members. I've seen things that hopefully you will never have to.

To find it barbaric and hideous is one thing, but to state BDSM’ers should not mark or brand them because the relationship is doomed anyway is a fatalistic view of the world. Before even starting a relationship you are already giving up on it and defending your logic with the facts that normally relationships do not last. Well my neighbour has a hobby, she jumps off bridges, I do not. Majority of people do not enjoy giving pain to their partner, I do. Majority of people do not call their partner slave, I do. The majority of people are not into BDSM, I am.

Once again failure at comprehension is at hand. I stated that I felt that any markings should be done with a lot of futuresight taken into account. Whether I'm cynical or fatalistic isn't the issue. The fact remains that the average relationship today has well over a 50% chance of failure. I have been suggesting that it be merely taken into consideration that the relationship may not last and to not commit to something you aren't 100% sure you want to see on your body for the rest of your life. Whether you call your lesser a slave, sub, or whatever isn't the issue. Whether you like to inflict pain on anther isn't the issue. Whether you like to crow about being into BDSM isn't the issue. The issue here is that you are trying to preach to me about acceptance and you don't know what the fucking word means. My *acceptance* is allowing you to do whatever the fuck you want to in your relationship as long as it is safe, sane, and consentual. I don't have to like what you do and I can be as vocal as I want to about what you do, but I am not standing in it's way unless you forget about SSC.

So following your logic we should just become one of the crowd, follow the rules of the majority because everything we do is doomed anyway, the numbers are against it. I know I am making an exaggeration here but it is only to show the point.

You don;t have a point, because almost your whole argument has been taken out of context in a deliberate attempt at mocking me and drawing a cheap laugh from a bunch of clueless morons. By tagging yourself as a member of the BDSM community, you have already started to follow the crowd and only want to accept what has been stated in a book, from a speaker, or you read on a site. Get a clue. You aren't as individual and thought provoking as your mother keep telling you.

Numbers, statistics have nothing to do with feelings and emotions. They have very little to do with BDSM. BDSM is based on feelings and emotions.

BDSM as a whole as always been based upon mutual sexual exploration. The ability to heighten ones pleasure through any means they are willing to explore with the guidance of another or by guiding another yourself. We're not talking about some spiritual, cosmic, wiccan pyschobabble here. We're talking out getting your rocks off the absolute most pleasurable way known to mankind. The difference between us and the rest of the vanilla world is that we are willing to go that extra mile and surrender or assert ourselves over another to acheive it. The problem today is that too many people have tried to make BDSM structured. If you can find love in uniformity, then good for you. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

By the way, I am a sadistic barbaric bastard who enjoys cutting into his wife and slave and enjoys the blood running down her thighs while she is squirming in pain. And you know what my partner loves me for it. I love looking at her mark and knowing it is there to stay, knowing that for as long as she lives my mark will stay on my property. Like I said I am a sadistic barbaric bastard, who enjoys pain. But I am only a sadistic barbaric bastard with my willing partner, who is indeed consensual.

You aren't anything special so step down from the podium and give me my megaphone back. As long as both of you are in agreement as to what the limitations to the relationship are and abide by those wishes, I couldn't give a shit less what you do. Fuck her in the ear and shit on her mom as long as everyone involved wants it that way. Too much goddamn roleplaying and arrogance.

Are you now going to state that we two adults, fully in their right mind, knowing exactly what we are doing, cannot cut each other?
Francisco.

I was never against others doing it in the first place fucknugget. As long as it is done by someone who knows what they are doing and the recipient wants it done, then so be it. I'm sure your local community college offers classes on reading comprehension. Now fuck off and take some classes. I am done with you.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Having recently undergone a cutting as the first permanent (as in unremovable) marking of Master's eternal ownership of me as His slave, I was interested in the experiences of others in receiving their marks be they brandings, cuttings, tattoos, or anything.

Catalina

I have never had any of these experiences. For a while, my Dom wanted to tattoo me. I have never wanted a tattoo. Then he became obsessed with the branding idea. Branding scares me more than anything. I can't imagine the pain involved with that. I resisted that idea too.

 

[catalina_francisco]

OK..I am ill so really don't feel much like your abusive, repeatitive tunnel vision postings, nor do I feel like responding, but hey, someone has to give you your jollies for the day if only as a friendly gesture to feed the needs you so clearly display.

I've seen things that hopefully you will never have to.

Rather presumptious given you have no idea what either of us do for a living, have done, or have experienced. For one, Master has led a life that has taken him through experiences I am sure he would not wish on his worst enemy, as have I in other diverse ways.


I have been suggesting that it be merely taken into consideration that the relationship may not last and to not commit to something you aren't 100% sure you want to see on your body for the rest of your life.

And we have both discussed how we came to be one and our necessity to know exactly what we were commiting to was a shared vision. Is why neither of us chose the many others who felt they could fulfil our individual needs...they couldn't because they were not 'the one' nor did they share our philosophies, visions, values, and principles in that magical mix accompanied by love and deep personal commitment.

but I am not standing in it's way unless you forget about SSC.

And we have made it clear all we do is SSC as it is a standpoint of our lifestyle beliefs.


By tagging yourself as a member of the BDSM community, you have already started to follow the crowd and only want to accept what has been stated in a book, from a speaker, or you read on a site.

You aren't as individual and thought provoking as your mother keep telling you.

replicant
"I am Shaolin-Style!"

Find this an odd statement given the little message at the bottom of each of your posts (quoted above). Are you telling us you are self made and everything you are or believe in came from your mind alone? I for one have come from living my whole life surrounded by Asian culture and practices, participating in that culture, even choosing my medical care be delivered by doctors (Chinese born doctors raised in that culture)who practice from a natural and eastern philosophy before western, and to the best of my knowledge they would not accept you were alive in 540AD and therefore the possible founder of Shaolin....so to me that tells me you must have gleaned information for the things you practice and believe in from books, etc., and hopefully from eastern practitioners who are able to give you clear guidance unhindered by western interpretations to suit western minds and purposes.


BDSM as a whole as always been based upon mutual sexual exploration. The ability to heighten ones pleasure through any means they are willing to explore with the guidance of another or by guiding another yourself. We're not talking about some spiritual, cosmic, wiccan pyschobabble here. We're talking out getting your rocks off the absolute most pleasurable way known to mankind. The difference between us and the rest of the vanilla world is that we are willing to go that extra mile and surrender or assert ourselves over another to acheive it.

Once again you miss BDSM as a philosophy, and way of life as we practice it 24/7, instead interpreting it as a means to an end, that end beginning and ending with sex and your ability to get your rocks off. We on the other hand do see it as a philosophy and spiritual, and believe it or not, if either of us are through some misfortune of circumstance unable to perform sexually (and yes, we have talked about this in the past), we will remain together as Master/slave in a relationship which still would have all the elements, commitment and love we have now with or without the added bonus of sexual pleasure. That is what any relationship of any significance should mean to the participants, and in our eyes is even more so in the BDSM sense for most as lifestyle 24/7 relationships are usually based on trust, love, honesty, and commitment.


You aren't anything special so step down from the podium and give me my megaphone back. Too much goddamn roleplaying and arrogance.

Never have we said we saw ourselves as special, nor did we need a megaphone. That is your tool for attention which by demanding it's return, you have displayed your obvious displeasure of feeling you don't have it to use to shout down the multitudes of those in opposition to your rude, crude, approach in an attempt to impose your views as the only right ones.


I was never against others doing it in the first place fucknugget. As long as it is done by someone who knows what they are doing and the recipient wants it done, then so be it. I'm sure your local community college offers classes on reading comprehension. Now fuck off and take some classes. I am done with you.

Do you always have to resort to abusive crudity to get attention? Please extend yourself and develop some creative processes which fit more with your professed eastern philosophies...my experience is they are extremely polite and respectful, not to mention wise.

Think you should follow your own advice and enrol quickly..... for comprehension, I think Master comprehends english far better than the majority of native speakers...and it is only his 3rd language!!

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: Re: Branding, cutting....marks of possession

I have never had any of these experiences. For a while, my Dom wanted to tattoo me. I have never wanted a tattoo. Then he became obsessed with the branding idea. Branding scares me more than anything. I can't imagine the pain involved with that. I resisted that idea too.

Is not a decision to be taken lightly I agree, nor is it right for everyone. Your reason against tattoos is the same as mine was. Psychological aspects have to be taken into consideration along with the physical. For me it was not something I would have once thought I would want, but even before our connection I knew if I ever committed to the Master I searched for, I would be honoured to wear these marks.

Master initially was not of the same thought or interested, having many of the aversive thoughts I think are to be expected when the subject first enters the realm of discussion. He knew my thoughts and feelings on the subject and how I connected them to my position, and after much thought and research he decided he shared my views and wanted to mark me, and have me mark him also. I am fortunate he is strong and secure enough he does give thought to things without taking the 'no way' stance and for this I am grateful.

Catalina

 

[le_kinklet]

Hi Catalina
Too start i have 4 tattoo's and 1 peircing, and after having my first tattoo on my right breast, is the names of my fave motor bikes "Triumph & Ariel", at first i was so scared i needed some one there to hold me still and to stop me shaking, but about 5 minutes into the tattoo i found myself enjoying it too much!!!! Needless to say over a period of 7 years i got the other 3 and my nose peirced(too see how my skin would take to it), my daughters names and b'dates on my left breast, a 5 inch long black panther on my right butt cheek and a tiger surounded by iris's and foliage with the words "Pussy Power" underneath on my left shoulder blade. These are all things that are designed for personal reasons, but each time i look at them i am reminded of the pain i went through to get it, and it is mine i take it to my grave, and i also see it as a symbol of owning this body i live in! However i would not wear permanent branding that would specify ownership to any individual person, i am more likely to have a symbol of my lifestyle, Something that would be recognisable to any other person within the lifestyle. My choice in being marked is my collar and bracelet, for official functions i wear my collar and bracelet, but the day to day mark is my chain braclet padlocked to my wrist,, gettting in the way when i type, pinching my skin when i have pulled it up my arm to far, it is a constant reminder to me i am owned, and i am proud to wear it. I know this is not for every body, but if i am gonna permanently mark my body i am gonna have what i want, not what some one asks of me cos it is permanent no matter what!!
hehehe
Just my opinion

 

[catalina_francisco]

Hi Catalina
Too start i have 4 tattoo's and 1 peircing, and after having my first tattoo on my right breast, is the names of my fave motor bikes "Triumph & Ariel", at first i was so scared i needed some one there to hold me still and to stop me shaking, but about 5 minutes into the tattoo i found myself enjoying it too much!!!! Needless to say over a period of 7 years i got the other 3 and my nose peirced(too see how my skin would take to it), my daughters names and b'dates on my left breast, a 5 inch long black panther on my right butt cheek and a tiger surounded by iris's and foliage with the words "Pussy Power" underneath on my left shoulder blade. These are all things that are designed for personal reasons, but each time i look at them i am reminded of the pain i went through to get it, and it is mine i take it to my grave, and i also see it as a symbol of owning this body i live in! However i would not wear permanent branding that would specify ownership to any individual person, i am more likely to have a symbol of my lifestyle, Something that would be recognisable to any other person within the lifestyle. My choice in being marked is my collar and bracelet, for official functions i wear my collar and bracelet, but the day to day mark is my chain braclet padlocked to my wrist,, gettting in the way when i type, pinching my skin when i have pulled it up my arm to far, it is a constant reminder to me i am owned, and i am proud to wear it. I know this is not for every body, but if i am gonna permanently mark my body i am gonna have what i want, not what some one asks of me cos it is permanent no matter what!!
hehehe
Just my opinion

Cooool....and I do so like your taste in motorcycles. Nice to see devotion to tried and true in this age of fast and nasty. LOL. And so great to hear/read a voice from home sometimes!

Catalina

 

[le_kinklet]

Re: Re: Branding, cutting....marks of possession

Cooool....and I do so like your taste in motorcycles. Nice to see devotion to tried and true in this age of fast and nasty. LOL. And so great to hear/read a voice from home sometimes!

Catalina

is you an ex Aussie, and if youis, where was you from, and great to know there are a few other aussies here!!!
~*HuGs*~

 

[James G 5]

Could not have put it better.



I stand corrected, I agree again fully with you. What are you doing man, you are destroying my reputation. If I start to agree with people what is going to be left of my self image

Francisco.

Sorry man
People keep telling me I'm a bad influence

 

[James G 5]

Whether you call your lesser a slave, sub, or whatever isn't the issue.

Excuse please.....I would like to interrupt to say that I have NEVER considered a sub, slave, or playmate my "lesser" in any fashion
If that person is somehow "less" than me, then how would the gift of her submission have any value? Where would be the power that she gives over to me to mold and transform us BOTH if she has less power than me?
I'll stick to powerful equals who choose to submit to me, thanks

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Just an observation from the ..... gallery.


Replicant?


Not impressed. Act less like an angry 12 year old and maybe, just MAYBE folks around here might enjoy discussions with you.

Right now?

Speaking for myself, I'll just skim over anything with your name attached to it.


I got no time for bullshit like yours, too much of that going on around here lately as it is.


~anelize

 

[ammre]

Replicant, I personally think you have a good point, but i think you need to deliver it in a less offensive way. You claim we are un-accepting yet in your own difinition you state that accpetance is a person unhindering another's life. "The issue here is that you are trying to preach to me about acceptance and you don't know what the fucking word means." Acceptance to me means that you accept my views as my own and will not trample on them with abusive or harsh words. If someone is offended by them, jsut simply restate your point, don't become more abusive. Every time you attempt to rediliver the point you get even more offensive which makes people want to argue your choice of words instead of your point. Since text is all we have to go by here connotations of words and the way their used should be taken into a larger consideration.

Scarification should only be done consentually, sanely (There is the understanding that this is a perminent marking and the decision has been well though over), safely (both parterners understand what the procedure entails, understand the health risks as well and have taken measures to avoid all unnecissary risks or complications.)

I think those are the very basic rough points which we can all agree on. I'm sure there could be more banter about the specifics but as a rough outline, it follows SSC.

C_F: What kind of knife did you use? I know you are both responsible consenting adults but the knife thing could be one of the harder to find bits of information. A scalpol is one of the few/only knives appropriate for efficently cutting skin. Most other knives are nto sharpened to a fine enough point and can cause minor tears (it's mentioned in the BME FAQ link i posted but i thought i'd bring it to your attention if you ever chose to do it again)

 

[catalina_francisco]

C_F: What kind of knife did you use? I know you are both responsible consenting adults but the knife thing could be one of the harder to find bits of information. A scalpol is one of the few/only knives appropriate for efficently cutting skin. Most other knives are nto sharpened to a fine enough point and can cause minor tears (it's mentioned in the BME FAQ link i posted but i thought i'd bring it to your attention if you ever chose to do it again)

Hi Ammre,

You make a good point; a scalpel is absolutely the best knife to use. We used a razer blade for two reasons. If you look at picture nr 1 we posted you will see the razor blade I used.

Hygiene and sterilization
The blade came from a new pack and was sterilized before using it and was thrown away immediately after using it and not reused. I did consult several sites about cutting, I consulted a professional before doing it, I practised cutting on chicken which was told to me was the best to practice on and did a practice cutting on Catalina, to see the effect it would have on her skin and to see if I actually could cut into the flesh of my SO without problems. Catalina still has to do the same to me. We will use razor blades for the same purpose again.

However if you want to make extensive drawings or cuttings, I would advise certainly a scalpel. Strangely enough against what was stated in most sites the professional cutter actually advised me to use a razor blade. He also uses one.

I do not remember if I have mentioned this before, Catalina has a skin condition that is called growing scar. This will make branding almost impossible and combined with her strong allergies tattooing is also quite difficult. So basically cutting was the only real option left for us. Also her condition makes it very hard to make extensive artistic cuttings since the scars would have bends which would increase the chance of the scars ‘growing’ and possibly lines blending together.

We did consider going to a professional. My own feeling about that was twofold, on the one hand it would have made the cutting better and on the other hand it would have been a cop out for me.

The cutting was done consensually, sanely, and safely. I personally see nothing wrong with that and as far as I understand from your statements you neither. I am not preaching that everyone should do a cutting or should mark their slave or themselves. But if you want to and you prepare yourself correctly and you have a partner who wants it as much as yourself, I really do not see the hassle about it.

Francisco.

 

[ammre]

Good
I'm glad you did your homework and that makes me happy for your decisions to undergo thes markings. Knowlage is the first step in succeeding. Using that knowlage is the second and you did both.

 

[Croctden]

Marking

I've never put a perment mark on a sub, primarily because I prefer an unmarked canvas. Along the same lines I don't like many piercings, heavy makeup, excessive nailpolish, etc. I'm old school even though I'm in my mid-twenties.

Plus I'd worried a few months after marking her I'd no longer like seeing the tattoo or whatever all the time. Unless I can someone to put all of "NightHawks" on her back. I've never gotten ink for the same reason.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: Marking

I've never put a perment mark on a sub, primarily because I prefer an unmarked canvas. Along the same lines I don't like many piercings, heavy makeup, excessive nailpolish, etc. I'm old school even though I'm in my mid-twenties.

Plus I'd worried a few months after marking her I'd no longer like seeing the tattoo or whatever all the time. Unless I can someone to put all of "NightHawks" on her back. I've never gotten ink for the same reason.

Certainly is not something to be done lightly and without a lot of soul searching...and thank goodness Master prefers me without make up..and nail polish?.....mmmm, tried it a couple of times....last time at my daughter's insistence....but seems like too much trouble for something that is definatley not meant to be used on a hand that creates and works in preference to laying around looking pretty. LOL

Catalina